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QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd An interesting list: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html Saudi Arabia has 1/4 of the proven reserves. Doubt they'll be dry in 7-10 years. But the big surprise to me was who was in 2nd place!
QUOTE: Originally posted by zapp Negative! Just because they find it doesn't mean there will be a glut on the market. They are not going to cut their own throats by flooding the market. It would simply guarantee a supply/source. Saying it would lower gas prices is being simplistic.QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget?
QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Originally posted by Lotus098 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 16, 2005 9:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,024 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, September 16, 2005 7:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by TharmeniWhere are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it. GM and Chrysler are no doubt counting on the usual American trend - People like big cars. Current sales slump notwithstanding, SUVs are here to stay. Compare the Honda Civic of today with the same model in the 70's, which was positively tiny. The American sports cars of the 50's all grew. The pony cars of the 60's all grew. Not having looked at the new lines, I can't speak with any authority, but IMHO, I'd be you'll see certain "economy" features touted on the SUVs. And they still probably get better mileage than their counterparts of 20 years ago. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Friday, September 16, 2005 7:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Don: The Florida plant is going to process the stalks from sugar cane, so I doubt it is of any use as a foodstuff. Last night I took delivery on my Hybrid Honda Civic. Averaged 48 mpg on the way home from the dealership. Read routing on it and it came into San Diego, traveled by rail to Jacksonville (apparently just before Katrina hit) and then rerouted (also via rail) to Tampa. Before anyone gets on me about buying "Japanese" -- I had two choices in replacing my old SUV - buy Japanese and get state-of-the-art hybrid technology or buy Ford and get last-generation hybrid technology (purchased from Toyota). With a Ford hybrid, I would purchase a lot more Middle Eastern oil over the life of the car. Where are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it. Using farm "scrap" helps, but I'm still not totally sold on the idea of "growing" transportation fuel in large quantities. I think ethanol is OK as a gasoline suppliment/oxygenate, but not so sure as a primary automotive fuel. Glad to hear you hybrid is getting good mileage. Buying Japanese is OK with me! The Civic is a "mild" hybrid, right? -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply TomDiehl Member sinceFebruary 2001 From: Poconos, PA 3,948 posts Posted by TomDiehl on Friday, September 16, 2005 7:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Friday, September 16, 2005 6:21 AM Don: The Florida plant is going to process the stalks from sugar cane, so I doubt it is of any use as a foodstuff. Last night I took delivery on my Hybrid Honda Civic. Averaged 48 mpg on the way home from the dealership. Read routing on it and it came into San Diego, traveled by rail to Jacksonville (apparently just before Katrina hit) and then rerouted (also via rail) to Tampa. Before anyone gets on me about buying "Japanese" -- I had two choices in replacing my old SUV - buy Japanese and get state-of-the-art hybrid technology or buy Ford and get last-generation hybrid technology (purchased from Toyota). With a Ford hybrid, I would purchase a lot more Middle Eastern oil over the life of the car. Where are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:28 PM the president dont controll the country, the worlds richest 100 men do. ask alan greenspan! Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Will you be comfortable burning ethanol made from food stuff when you know there are starving people in the world? Most ethanol plants produce "wet" feed for dairy or hog farms. Roughly speaking: the solids still get fed to a farm animal, the "gas" part goes to another use. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Will you be comfortable burning ethanol made from food stuff when you know there are starving people in the world? -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:50 AM No agruments with that! Reply Edit BentnoseWillie Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Nova Scotia 825 posts Posted by BentnoseWillie on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:49 AM Lotus - I wasn't taking sides, I was trying to understand what icmr was getting at. I guess my question is why does it matter whether one blames the executive branch or the legislative branch, when one party controls both? I really don't care which party we're speaking of, I just don't quite follow the mechanics. B-Dubya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. Uh - aren't he and the majorities of both houses all Republicans...? Uh - wasn't America set up for the government to mind its own bussissness. Get them out of the way, let the free market work and gas would be cheaper. Uh- Don't the Democrats philbuster anything they don't like. Uh- The president doesn't right the bills. Uh- Isn't it the Democrats stopping oil refineries from being build, from cutting down our trees, and drilling for oil, in our own land. Uh- Gas was actually higher under Jimmy Carter, a Democrat. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:01 AM ...New price drop: 2.84 now in Muncie. Quentin Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:37 AM Next year I'm gonna buy a new Dodge with the Cummins in it, then convert it to burn spent vegetable oil. Most fast food restuarants will give this stuff away!QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:17 PM Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:49 PM I always was told the President held the most powerful office in the world. That might have changed... Reply BentnoseWillie Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Nova Scotia 825 posts Posted by BentnoseWillie on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:59 PM QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. Uh - aren't he and the majorities of both houses all Republicans...? B-Dubya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack! Reply icmr Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Mp 126 on the St. Louis District of NS's IL. Div. 1,611 posts Posted by icmr on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:32 PM I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 Illinois Central Railroad. Operation Lifesaver. Look, Listen, Live. Proud owner and user of Digitrax DCC. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by TharmeniWhere are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Don: The Florida plant is going to process the stalks from sugar cane, so I doubt it is of any use as a foodstuff. Last night I took delivery on my Hybrid Honda Civic. Averaged 48 mpg on the way home from the dealership. Read routing on it and it came into San Diego, traveled by rail to Jacksonville (apparently just before Katrina hit) and then rerouted (also via rail) to Tampa. Before anyone gets on me about buying "Japanese" -- I had two choices in replacing my old SUV - buy Japanese and get state-of-the-art hybrid technology or buy Ford and get last-generation hybrid technology (purchased from Toyota). With a Ford hybrid, I would purchase a lot more Middle Eastern oil over the life of the car. Where are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Will you be comfortable burning ethanol made from food stuff when you know there are starving people in the world?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. Uh - aren't he and the majorities of both houses all Republicans...?
QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS.
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