QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [br Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Allan.
TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here.
Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:14 AM ....$10 to 15 dollars for a gal of gasoline....!! What are you wishing on a great portion of working people in this country......In other words, ration to working folks and discount it to commerical business....We need some solutions, but not that direction. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:42 AM West Palm Beach FL $2.64.9 PG as of 0700 today. [:o)] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:37 AM There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan. Reply Edit BentnoseWillie Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Nova Scotia 825 posts Posted by BentnoseWillie on Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:29 AM $3 a gallon? I wish! We're paying $USD 3.44 now. Or didn't you know that the US has the cheapest gasoline of any non-OPEC nation? Course, we're a close second... B-Dubya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:42 PM Just a reminder only 18% of comes from the mideast. I use a "Chinese sports car", a bicycle, or I would if it weren’t always so far. Moonshine is not a bad idea. James[C):-)] Reply Edit Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:23 PM I'm giving up the use of gas. From now on I'm going to power my car with low proof moonshine.[}:)][8] TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other... I agree 100% a few people here need to believe nonsense and no amount of evidence will get through to them. I also think it's important to debunk nonsense so big lies aren't accepted as truth so quickly. Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:42 PM Man is this one hot thread . . . all on gas . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:38 PM Gas price check in Muncie today is : $2.649....Increased 19 cents yesterday. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:37 PM There going up even higher tomorrow. hahahaha. Allan. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:32 PM Lotus98....I'm not on here to carry on a political back and forth...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other... Quentin Reply Wdlgln005 Member sinceApril 2002 From: Nashville TN 1,306 posts Posted by Wdlgln005 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:24 PM Time for a price check. Here in Nashville, the CHEAP gas is $2.49. Most stations are at $2.55+. Jumped 25 cents in 2 weeks. Power company rates are going up in the fall. THe fun part is the TVA is in a big dispute with Gallatin to bring in coal via rail instead of river barge. We'll see how that turns out! Glenn Woodle Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:14 PM In the late 70's, energy was 15% of GDP, so when the Carter crisis hit, it had a profound effect on the economy. Now energy is only 7% of GDP, so we've a ways to go before there are any profound effects on the economy. This present economy has more capacity to absorb the oil spikes. Also saw this tidbit on the news (ABC Evening News). In the 1980's we had 300+ refineries putting out 19 million(?) gallons a day. Now we have less than 150 putting out 16 million(?) gallons a day. The price for heavy crude is about $14 a barrel less than the price for sweet crude, yet our refineries aren't designed to refine the heavier but cheaper crudes. Wouldn't you think output would have gone up to match the growth in demand instead of going down in the last two decades? We don't just need more refineries, WE NEED MORE REFINERIES ASAP! (....and now for jeaton's pleasure....) At least our pipelines are OA![:D] If our pipelines were still closed access, we'd be paying double what we pay now to ship the fuel nationwide.[V] Reply Edit Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:00 PM I just heard on the radio that gas prices in the middle east are pretty *** cheap. $.98 a gallon in Saudi Arabia on down to $.12 a gallon down in Caracas (Venenzuela (sp?)). They even said that in Moscow, Russia, the price is just a little over $2.00 a gallon. Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)] More to the point, beyond leadership and cajoling, the president has little to do with the actual performance of the economy at all. Unless it's something monumentally stupid such as imposing price controls, it takes years for any policy decision to have any effect. Changing monetary policy, which has the quickest effect on the economy, is the turf of the Federal Reserve, not the president. Remember Bush I's increased taxes in the early '90s which brought about his defeat? That just about wiped out the deficit and laid the groundwork for the prosperity of the rest of the '90s. When you're President of the US you're at the helm of a giant oil tanker going where it wants to not where you want it to. Reply markn Member sinceJanuary 2005 225 posts Posted by markn on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:52 PM "$3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here"...and 130 degrees with all the sand you can eat-I'll gladly pay $8.00 gal to be here Thank you (PS we know you are over there getting us a good story) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar Lotus98....."The recession Clinton caused"....! Talk about someone smoking.....The responsibility has long ago passed along to the present adminstration for the economy....Are you sure Jimmy Carter didn't help too....I would rather not bring these kinds of politics into it and won't any farther but just had to voice a bit of opinion on that....I believe his {Clinton's}, decade did mighty fine for the economy. Of course we're loosing {good}, high paying heavy industry jobs, along with many appliance manufactures moving out and the list goes on...and the figures showing new jobs gained contain many, many low paying replacement jobs that no one could make a decent living with them.....Some of that can be blamed on both political parties. Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar .....And Uncle Sam's tax billions are being spent to rehabiliate the whole of Iraq or at least trying to...! And they have 8 cent gas.....we have almost 3.00 gas....?? Makes a person hang their head and ask why they don't jack it to reality, and take some of the $$ we are using over there and find some alternatives. Politics, and I thought a rabid dog was scary... Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:25 PM .....And Uncle Sam's tax billions are being spent to rehabiliate the whole of Iraq or at least trying to...! And they have 8 cent gas.....we have almost 3.00 gas....?? Quentin Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Must be some monopoly style transportation rates to get the stuff from there to here. No. The price is so low because it's subsidized by the Iraqi government. The low price is almost considered an entitlement. The shipping industry is cutthroat competitive not a monopoly. Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. So I've heard. The price is heavily subsidized by their government. As a result, Iraq, which has the second largest oil reserves in the Mideast, has to import a large part of its gasoline because they don't have the refinery capacity. It also makes a huge dent in the government's budget, making it that much harder to deliver other needed services. This creates other distortions. It's so cheap, that there's a thriving industry smuggling the gasoline back out of Iraq to neighboring countries, netting the smugglers huge profits. I remember at one time the Soviet government similarly subsidized bread. It was so cheap, that farmers found it more economical to feed their livestock bread rather than grain because it was cheaper. Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Must be some monopoly style transportation rates to get the stuff from there to here. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:21 AM and nearly 5 bucks a gallon here. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply « First«3456789 Join our Community! 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Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:37 AM There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan. Reply Edit BentnoseWillie Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: Nova Scotia 825 posts Posted by BentnoseWillie on Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:29 AM $3 a gallon? I wish! We're paying $USD 3.44 now. Or didn't you know that the US has the cheapest gasoline of any non-OPEC nation? Course, we're a close second... B-Dubya -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:42 PM Just a reminder only 18% of comes from the mideast. I use a "Chinese sports car", a bicycle, or I would if it weren’t always so far. Moonshine is not a bad idea. James[C):-)] Reply Edit Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:23 PM I'm giving up the use of gas. From now on I'm going to power my car with low proof moonshine.[}:)][8] TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other... I agree 100% a few people here need to believe nonsense and no amount of evidence will get through to them. I also think it's important to debunk nonsense so big lies aren't accepted as truth so quickly. Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:42 PM Man is this one hot thread . . . all on gas . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:38 PM Gas price check in Muncie today is : $2.649....Increased 19 cents yesterday. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:37 PM There going up even higher tomorrow. hahahaha. Allan. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:32 PM Lotus98....I'm not on here to carry on a political back and forth...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other... Quentin Reply Wdlgln005 Member sinceApril 2002 From: Nashville TN 1,306 posts Posted by Wdlgln005 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:24 PM Time for a price check. Here in Nashville, the CHEAP gas is $2.49. Most stations are at $2.55+. Jumped 25 cents in 2 weeks. Power company rates are going up in the fall. THe fun part is the TVA is in a big dispute with Gallatin to bring in coal via rail instead of river barge. We'll see how that turns out! Glenn Woodle Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:14 PM In the late 70's, energy was 15% of GDP, so when the Carter crisis hit, it had a profound effect on the economy. Now energy is only 7% of GDP, so we've a ways to go before there are any profound effects on the economy. This present economy has more capacity to absorb the oil spikes. Also saw this tidbit on the news (ABC Evening News). In the 1980's we had 300+ refineries putting out 19 million(?) gallons a day. Now we have less than 150 putting out 16 million(?) gallons a day. The price for heavy crude is about $14 a barrel less than the price for sweet crude, yet our refineries aren't designed to refine the heavier but cheaper crudes. Wouldn't you think output would have gone up to match the growth in demand instead of going down in the last two decades? We don't just need more refineries, WE NEED MORE REFINERIES ASAP! (....and now for jeaton's pleasure....) At least our pipelines are OA![:D] If our pipelines were still closed access, we'd be paying double what we pay now to ship the fuel nationwide.[V] Reply Edit Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:00 PM I just heard on the radio that gas prices in the middle east are pretty *** cheap. $.98 a gallon in Saudi Arabia on down to $.12 a gallon down in Caracas (Venenzuela (sp?)). They even said that in Moscow, Russia, the price is just a little over $2.00 a gallon. Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)] More to the point, beyond leadership and cajoling, the president has little to do with the actual performance of the economy at all. Unless it's something monumentally stupid such as imposing price controls, it takes years for any policy decision to have any effect. Changing monetary policy, which has the quickest effect on the economy, is the turf of the Federal Reserve, not the president. Remember Bush I's increased taxes in the early '90s which brought about his defeat? That just about wiped out the deficit and laid the groundwork for the prosperity of the rest of the '90s. When you're President of the US you're at the helm of a giant oil tanker going where it wants to not where you want it to. Reply markn Member sinceJanuary 2005 225 posts Posted by markn on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:52 PM "$3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here"...and 130 degrees with all the sand you can eat-I'll gladly pay $8.00 gal to be here Thank you (PS we know you are over there getting us a good story) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar Lotus98....."The recession Clinton caused"....! Talk about someone smoking.....The responsibility has long ago passed along to the present adminstration for the economy....Are you sure Jimmy Carter didn't help too....I would rather not bring these kinds of politics into it and won't any farther but just had to voice a bit of opinion on that....I believe his {Clinton's}, decade did mighty fine for the economy. Of course we're loosing {good}, high paying heavy industry jobs, along with many appliance manufactures moving out and the list goes on...and the figures showing new jobs gained contain many, many low paying replacement jobs that no one could make a decent living with them.....Some of that can be blamed on both political parties. Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar .....And Uncle Sam's tax billions are being spent to rehabiliate the whole of Iraq or at least trying to...! And they have 8 cent gas.....we have almost 3.00 gas....?? Makes a person hang their head and ask why they don't jack it to reality, and take some of the $$ we are using over there and find some alternatives. Politics, and I thought a rabid dog was scary... Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:25 PM .....And Uncle Sam's tax billions are being spent to rehabiliate the whole of Iraq or at least trying to...! And they have 8 cent gas.....we have almost 3.00 gas....?? Quentin Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Must be some monopoly style transportation rates to get the stuff from there to here. No. The price is so low because it's subsidized by the Iraqi government. The low price is almost considered an entitlement. The shipping industry is cutthroat competitive not a monopoly. Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. So I've heard. The price is heavily subsidized by their government. As a result, Iraq, which has the second largest oil reserves in the Mideast, has to import a large part of its gasoline because they don't have the refinery capacity. It also makes a huge dent in the government's budget, making it that much harder to deliver other needed services. This creates other distortions. It's so cheap, that there's a thriving industry smuggling the gasoline back out of Iraq to neighboring countries, netting the smugglers huge profits. I remember at one time the Soviet government similarly subsidized bread. It was so cheap, that farmers found it more economical to feed their livestock bread rather than grain because it was cheaper. Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:31 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Must be some monopoly style transportation rates to get the stuff from there to here. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:21 AM and nearly 5 bucks a gallon here. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply « First«3456789 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other...
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar Lotus98....."The recession Clinton caused"....! Talk about someone smoking.....The responsibility has long ago passed along to the present adminstration for the economy....Are you sure Jimmy Carter didn't help too....I would rather not bring these kinds of politics into it and won't any farther but just had to voice a bit of opinion on that....I believe his {Clinton's}, decade did mighty fine for the economy. Of course we're loosing {good}, high paying heavy industry jobs, along with many appliance manufactures moving out and the list goes on...and the figures showing new jobs gained contain many, many low paying replacement jobs that no one could make a decent living with them.....Some of that can be blamed on both political parties.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar .....And Uncle Sam's tax billions are being spent to rehabiliate the whole of Iraq or at least trying to...! And they have 8 cent gas.....we have almost 3.00 gas....??
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Must be some monopoly style transportation rates to get the stuff from there to here.
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics
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