WARNING! Amtrak is Dead.

[Anonymous]

Have you noticed how many times it starts with AMTRAK and ends up something like this?


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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

H'mm how did religion ever enter a thread about A/trak[?][?][?][?]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Guys,

We're going nowhere very fast!

Looks like topic may wind up being deleted.[V][V][V]

I start a topic about Amtrak a they start a war about Politics&Christianty.[V]

[Anonymous]

I think the last time Bergie posted the rules of this forum, he mentioned not talking about religion or politics. I hope he pulls this one.


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[spbed]

H'mm how did religion ever enter a thread about A/trak[?][?][?][?]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Guys,

We're going nowhere very fast!

Looks like topic may wind up being deleted.[V][V][V]

[AntonioFP45]

Guys,

We're going nowhere very fast!

Looks like topic may wind up being deleted.[V][V][V]

[Anonymous]

I find your whole premise laughable, never seen a christian turndown a money deal. Christ, right here in this country, in the bible belt, we have third world poverty.

And somehow the voice of your christianity is alive and well, but does not do a thing to lift the poor. It only seems to justify the haves.

And I can document this with facts.

Jim

[ajmiller]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033

QUOTE: Originally posted by SteamerFan

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.

Let's see, considering that my Congressman is a so called "neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrit" and is fighting to save Amtrak, while my 2 Democrate Senators are fighting to kill it, doesn't mean a thing to you. You probably better start learning more than "republicans bad, democrates good" because that will just screw you more in the end.

There are many, and i mean many ideas on how to save Amtrak on the table, there is talk of scrapping the current system, except the NEC and slowely rebuilding in in a system similar to the NEC throughout the country. there is talk of building high speed independent rails for amtrak, to cut down on time lost due to sharing with the private railways. There is even talk of (and in some areas construction of) high speed maglev service.

Belive me, the president has again pointed to a rpoblem, raised public awareness and has gotten the people involved to get congress to act and fix the problem. Funny how people blame a sitting president for all the ills of the world, when in reality, it's congress that has all the power.

Here we have so much spin...tell me the state and the names of the two demarcated senators that are opposing Amtrak funding. You can't, lies more lies.

I find it amusing, the more Christian, the less likely of sharing prosperity with poverty! What a shame, Christ sure would have a different take on this, and it would have nothing to with Wall Street and the moneyed and making more money

Jim

Now this is just silly. I've never been in a church that didn't support charities or missionaries that help millions of impoverished people in this country and others. There's a big difference between a rich person giving his money freely to those in need and a rich person having his wealth confiscated by the government so that these high and mighty senators can use it to buy the votes of the less-well-to-do masses by way of massive federal entitlement projects.

Billions for charity. Not one red cent for tyranny. [2c]

[AntonioFP45]

If this thread proceeds in a civil manner, Bergie might not yank it.

A few times on the MRR forum temperatures rose, but cooled quickly and topics continued.

[Anonymous]

My dad always told me that the best way to start an argument was to discuss either religion or politics; and in this thread we have both!

Ought to get even more interesting until Bergie pulls it, due to the slandering of each other.

[AntonioFP45]

Glenn,

I understand what you are saying, but "Neo-Facist"? Don't you think that was stepping over the line?

Peace!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Fellas!

Why are railfans ripping up on each other? Regardless of political leanings we're all on the same boat!

Come on! Let's turn off the blow torches and not let emotions control our keyboard strokes! Glen, your comment did help ignite this and I find it saddening.

Conservative and Liberal views both have positive points. It's the "extremists" that give both sides a bad name. It's likely that most of us here lean more one way or the other, but are closer to the "middle of the road", agreeing with the best points of both.

We can discuss these Amtrak issues like cool minded adults and still "agree to disagree". Some of us here support Amtrak, some of us say kill it, others say restructure it.

Let's continue along those points.

I'm only stating facts, not name calling or anything, its about facts!

Jim

[AntonioFP45]

Fellas!

Why are railfans ripping up on each other? Regardless of political leanings we're all on the same boat!

Come on! Let's turn off the blow torches and not let emotions control our keyboard strokes! Glen, your comment did help ignite this and I find it saddening.

Conservative and Liberal views both have positive points. It's the "extremists" that give both sides a bad name. It's likely that most of us here lean more one way or the other, but are closer to the "middle of the road", agreeing with the best points of both.

We can discuss these Amtrak issues like cool minded adults and still "agree to disagree". Some of us here support Amtrak, some of us say kill it, others say restructure it.

Let's continue along those points.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SteamerFan

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.

Let's see, considering that my Congressman is a so called "neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrit" and is fighting to save Amtrak, while my 2 Democrate Senators are fighting to kill it, doesn't mean a thing to you. You probably better start learning more than "republicans bad, democrates good" because that will just screw you more in the end.

There are many, and i mean many ideas on how to save Amtrak on the table, there is talk of scrapping the current system, except the NEC and slowely rebuilding in in a system similar to the NEC throughout the country. there is talk of building high speed independent rails for amtrak, to cut down on time lost due to sharing with the private railways. There is even talk of (and in some areas construction of) high speed maglev service.

Belive me, the president has again pointed to a rpoblem, raised public awareness and has gotten the people involved to get congress to act and fix the problem. Funny how people blame a sitting president for all the ills of the world, when in reality, it's congress that has all the power.

Here we have so much spin...tell me the state and the names of the two demarcated senators that are opposing Amtrak funding. You can't, lies more lies.

I find it amusing, the more Christian, the less likely of sharing prosperity with poverty! What a shame, Christ sure would have a different take on this, and it would have nothing to with Wall Street and the moneyed and making more money

Jim

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98
figers...i expect comments like this from someone that has a mental disorder called LIBERALIZIM....... just get over it...you lost...4 more years...love it or hate it...its time for you to get over it... and if you dont like it....do like the rest of your brothern have been doing..and move to the northern neighbor then..... for you to call eveyone that donst agree with you a neo conservitive or what ever you called us is a typical responce too...your party clames to be liberal and freedoms for eveyone... but yet your people pass the most laws telling us what we can and cant do..and what we can and cant say...you all have the same mentality.... we can say and do what ever we want..as long as it is what you want us to say and do....and that is not america... you might not agree with what im saying and thats fine..that is your right to....just as it is MY RIGHT to say it.... america voted and bush won.... regardless if you agree or dissagree with him...to call eveyone that belives in what america stands for..and not what you want america to be neo christions or what ever...is total BS....you dont like this country..then get out..and dont let the door hit you in the a$$.....
csx engineer

Hey buddy, Liberalism created the labor movement. The reason you're drawing the wage you are, no wonder your local chairman isn't talking or listening to you! Get a sense of history, then get back to us...Oh, you must be one of those RIGHT TO WORK STATERS, THAT GETS BENIFITS FROM THE UNION, but doesn't pay dues.

Your wage has nothing to do with the exercise of your craft. So get over it, and thank labor for your pay scale.

Rush Limbaugh "ditto heads" that are in labor just crack me up, they suck on our wages at work, and want to think they did it, earned it all by them selfs! .

Get a grip, if your not going to be a union brother, go sell pencils on the street!

Jim

[oltmannd]

I think the vote was just a vote against Amtrak's status quo. That it the vote came down on party lines means that the politicians are playing politics. (duh!)

This is just "round one". Maybe we will wind up with some real reform and something better when they're all done.

[spbed]

Amtrak has come back from the dead many times already. Believe it when GWB actually says close it up! [;)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan.

www.yahoo.com
News.
Then type in Amtrak.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.

Let's see, considering that my Congressman is a so called "neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrit" and is fighting to save Amtrak, while my 2 Democrate Senators are fighting to kill it, doesn't mean a thing to you. You probably better start learning more than "republicans bad, democrates good" because that will just screw you more in the end.

There are many, and i mean many ideas on how to save Amtrak on the table, there is talk of scrapping the current system, except the NEC and slowely rebuilding in in a system similar to the NEC throughout the country. there is talk of building high speed independent rails for amtrak, to cut down on time lost due to sharing with the private railways. There is even talk of (and in some areas construction of) high speed maglev service.

Belive me, the president has again pointed to a rpoblem, raised public awareness and has gotten the people involved to get congress to act and fix the problem. Funny how people blame a sitting president for all the ills of the world, when in reality, it's congress that has all the power.

[daveklepper]

I agree entirely that it is possible to disagree with somebody and still

Think that person is intelligent and good

That there may be some truth in what he or she says and it may be worth investigating

And may me worthy of my love.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It just goes to show that the priorities of our government are misguided. They are the puppets of the corporations that are carried on and break the backs of all the working classes of the world. I hope when they go to sleep at night, that their beds aren't to full with all the money they have stolen from us or they may not get a good night's sleep. In a few months, there will be approximently 20,000 more employees out on the street. I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.



GLENN
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D RAILROADER!!!!
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D AMTRAKER
A R E A L L Y A N G R Y AND D I S G U S T E D AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

figers...i expect comments like this from someone that has a mental disorder called LIBERALIZIM....... just get over it...you lost...4 more years...love it or hate it...its time for you to get over it... and if you dont like it....do like the rest of your brothern have been doing..and move to the northern neighbor then..... for you to call eveyone that donst agree with you a neo conservitive or what ever you called us is a typical responce too...your party clames to be liberal and freedoms for eveyone... but yet your people pass the most laws telling us what we can and cant do..and what we can and cant say...you all have the same mentality.... we can say and do what ever we want..as long as it is what you want us to say and do....and that is not america... you might not agree with what im saying and thats fine..that is your right to....just as it is MY RIGHT to say it.... america voted and bush won.... regardless if you agree or dissagree with him...to call eveyone that belives in what america stands for..and not what you want america to be neo christions or what ever...is total BS....you dont like this country..then get out..and dont let the door hit you in the a$$.....
csx engineer

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It just goes to show that the priorities of our government are misguided. They are the puppets of the corporations that are carried on and break the backs of all the working classes of the world. I hope when they go to sleep at night, that their beds aren't to full with all the money they have stolen from us or they may not get a good night's sleep. In a few months, there will be approximently 20,000 more employees out on the street. I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.



GLENN
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D RAILROADER!!!!
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D AMTRAKER
A R E A L L Y A N G R Y AND D I S G U S T E D AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm...if this is what I get for my money.....then cut it!

[conrailman]

Congress will not let Amtrak die as WE know it Today, Just look what I wrote Before in this Form. Amtrak will be around for another 30 Years Have Faith People in the Congress. They are 2 another Bills for Amtrak coming up soon giving Amtrak 1.8 to 2 Billion in Funds. Mr. Trent Lott said so. What will the 25 Million people who ride Amtrak last Year say about that No Amtrak they will Vote everyone out of Congress if that Happens. Well then stop giving the Airlines 16 Billion this Year and Highways 35 Billion this year too. We need a Balance System in the U.S.

[Anonymous]

I think once a year for the last 30 years people have state that Amtrack is DOOMED... I say DOOMED!!!

Phhfth.

Say what you will. But the NEC is a national asset. Too bad they have not hooked up other parts of the nation with regional high speed corridors.

If Amtrack as we know it does die then something else will be brought into business of hauling people by train. It's just too bad that the old way of the Locals and Pullman overnighters are gone forever.

[Anonymous]

Im sorry to say this but,If Bush has it his way.......You can Kiss Amtrak GOOD BYE!
BNSFrailfan.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it would be in the best interest of the USA to let Amtrak go out of business. What would happen if an attack on the USA of the magnatude of Sept. 11(God forbid that never happens again) and the airline industry is grounded again? Will our highways be able to handle all the car and truck traffic? Probably not. Amtrak does not turn a profit because we are a nation that loves our cars. For those who can't or won't drive, Amtrak provides a very necessary mode of transportation option even with the sparse service in parts of the USA IMHO.

[greyhounds]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gfjwilmde

It I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.



GLENN
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D RAILROADER!!!!
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D AMTRAKER
A R E A L L Y A N G R Y AND D I S G U S T E D AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure that anyone who disagrees with you about Amtrak must be a " neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits", or a least your juvinile mind thinks we are. (You know, ultra-Christian wouldn't be a bad thing to be.) I'm convinced Amtrak is a waste of money and it destroys more jobs than it creates.

Now if you want to discuss that we can. If you want to call me names you can go to Blazes.

Right-wing Republican isn't a bad thing to be either. You've got to grow up and accept the fact that people can disagree with you and still be decent, good, reasonable people.

[conrailman]

They is alot more time to get a Good Amtrak Bill from Congress Before Oct 1, 2005, they are different Bills from other Senates wanting to give amtrak more money in 2006 like 1.8 to 2 Billion. So people come Oct 1, 2005 Amtrak will still be around in the US. Congress will not let Amtrak just Die Off. Tell 25 Million People who ride Amtrak last year. Amtrak could Carried more people if amtrak put more Trains on again like Train 35 & 36, 25 & 26, 60 & 61, 40 & 41. and Start New Routes Too.[:)][8D]

[METRO]

Yet another reason to move back to Canada
~METRO

[gfjwilmde]

It just goes to show that the priorities of our government are misguided. They are the puppets of the corporations that are carried on and break the backs of all the working classes of the world. I hope when they go to sleep at night, that their beds aren't to full with all the money they have stolen from us or they may not get a good night's sleep. In a few months, there will be approximently 20,000 more employees out on the street. I'm sure all of you neo-facist ultra-Christian right-wing Republicans hypocrits will excited to know this.



GLENN
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D RAILROADER!!!!
A R E A L AND D E V O T E D AMTRAKER
A R E A L L Y A N G R Y AND D I S G U S T E D AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trainfan1221]

Don`t know about dead, in for a rough ride. I can not imagine this country not having a nationwide rail passenger system, it defies logic. Of course, with some of the service cuts they've made,there might not be much left to worry about.

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