tree68 Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts?
Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts?
What would be the point of such a request? It is that the member deleted his/her own posts for some reason, and then wanted all quotes of those posts deleted so his/her comments would not appear in the thread either directly in the original posts or indirectly in quotes of the orginal posts? I don't recall that ever happening here.
Maybe it was a mistake for the poster named CMStP&P to build the Pacific Coast Extension thread.
Still in training.
Euclid tree68 Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts? What would be the point of such a request? It is that the member deleted his/her own posts for some reason, and then wanted all quotes of those posts deleted so his/her comments would not appear in the thread either directly in the original posts or indirectly in quotes of the orginal posts? I don't recall that ever happening here.
As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
See, well, I did my own research and it's plain as day that the Rockefeller family, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet are responsible for this mystery. See, on AM talk radio I've become aware of groups like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars and how they do the bidding of the elites of the world, like George Soros, the Rockefellers, and the people who once held the stock of the NP and GN. Follow the money, right?
Mr. Sol provoked the Rockefellers, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet by revealing here on this forum a 1908 letter said to be addressed to John D.Rockefeller, Sr., which proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the Rockefellers were invested in the PCE. This, of course, threatened the Hill interests who wouldn't want that known. The Hill heirs, of course, were bought out by George Soros who then, along with Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren Buffet, bought up the GN & NP. These behind-the-scenes Machiavellis then enlisted the Knights Templars and Opus Dei to silence Mr. Sol from revealing anything more of the Rockefeller connection. Once again, we see a world-wide elite conspiracy to deny us knowing the truth of the efficacy of the PCE and the involvement of the Rockellers and the "deep Street" (the financial interests of the world) in the now-monopoly control and stranglehold BNSF has on the northern part of our country.
Talk radio hosts and sites on the Internet allowed me to do my own research free of any control by the "deep Street" in order to arrive at what the real story, the one being kept away from us, really shows. If only people would do their own research, listen to the right talk show hosts, and look into things they know more about than the "experts," then we wouldn't be doing the bidding of woke elites like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars. Mr. Sol's posts were deleted by drones at Kalmbach, paid by shadowy figures like George Soros and Warren Buffet seeking to curry favor with the Rockefellers and all the others who rule the world.
See, it's easy to figure out what happened. The truth is being kept from us!
BaltACDAs I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
Yup. I didn't want to name names...
Definitely happened, though.
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tree68 BaltACD As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service. Yup. I didn't want to name names... Definitely happened, though.
BaltACD As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
NKP guy See, well, I did my own research and it's plain as day that the Rockefeller family, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet are responsible for this mystery. See, on AM talk radio I've become aware of groups like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars and how they do the bidding of the elites of the world, like George Soros, the Rockefellers, and the people who once held the stock of the NP and GN. Follow the money, right? Mr. Sol provoked the Rockefellers, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet by revealing here on this forum a 1908 letter said to be addressed to John D.Rockefeller, Sr., which proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the Rockefellers were invested in the PCE. This, of course, threatened the Hill interests who wouldn't want that known. The Hill heirs, of course, were bought out by George Soros who then, along with Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren Buffet, bought up the GN & NP. These behind-the-scenes Machiavellis then enlisted the Knights Templars and Opus Dei to silence Mr. Sol from revealing anything more of the Rockefeller connection. Once again, we see a world-wide elite conspiracy to deny us knowing the truth of the efficacy of the PCE and the involvement of the Rockellers and the "deep Street" (the financial interests of the world) in the now-monopoly control and stranglehold BNSF has on the northern part of our country. Talk radio hosts and sites on the Internet allowed me to do my own research free of any control by the "deep Street" in order to arrive at what the real story, the one being kept away from us, really shows. If only people would do their own research, listen to the right talk show hosts, and look into things they know more about than the "experts," then we wouldn't be doing the bidding of woke elites like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars. Mr. Sol's posts were deleted by drones at Kalmbach, paid by shadowy figures like George Soros and Warren Buffet seeking to curry favor with the Rockefellers and all the others who rule the world. See, it's easy to figure out what happened. The truth is being kept from us!
tree68 SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue.. I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..."
SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue..
I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..."
Backshop tree68 SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue.. I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..." I got the same vibe.
I got the same vibe.
And all that was arranged from the basement of a pizza joint in the limited spare time the conspirators had when they weren't busy making pizzas!! Incredible.
It sounds like someone who was kicked off of the forum years ago was kicked off again.
An "expensive model collector"
I may not agree with Michael Sol on the Milwaukee, but you do have to give the man credit. He's been singing the same tune ever since. I imagine his family tie through his Grandfather being part of the survey party for the PCE played a role.
The only difference being when you hold something dear to your heart you fail to see the deficiencies in it, whilst protecting it at all cost. As much as I was enthralled with the Southern Pacific I knew it had problems and only a merger would solve them. Us railfans are just a very dedicated bunch even in conspiracy. So for that I give Michael Sol his credit.
Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
EuclidThat would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants.
tree68 Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have. There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants.
And what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify.
His opinion on the PCE may even be absurd, but that shouldn't banish him just because some disagree.
charlie hebdo And what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify. His opinion on the PCE may even be absurd, but that shouldn't banish him just because some disagree.
charlie hebdoAnd what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify.
It doesn't have to be overt, or personal. If I write "anyone who looks up the word 'wrathful' in the Oxford Dictionary knows what it actually means," I'm not outright attacking anyone, but by implication, I'm suggesting that the person who wrote it lacks pertinent information.
And I'm not attacking your use of wrathful, by the way - it's just an example.
But in the end, the person who used the word (or stated some observation, or whatever) will likely feel personally attacked. And there lies the rub, as they say.
Back to the subject (sorta). Anybody who uses the fact that Hill was interested in the MILW before he bought the CB&Q circa 1900 as a reason that it was viable 70-80 years later is grasping for straws.
Removing all posts seems rather 'wrathful' if you ask me.
Euclid tree68 Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have. There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants. I have noticed that wrathful reaction, but so what? Not everybody does that. But some are easily offended and often take offense when none was intended. Whose fault is that? Some get wrathful when others simply state an opinion that they disagree with. Opinions are allowed here. Wrathful personal attacks are not.
Considering the context of Tree's comment, I assume he is refering to MS as the one with the attitude of being too confrontational about the Milwaukee Road debate. So this offended forum members in this thread, that raises the question of just what they did to express their wrath. What could that be? I wonder...
EuclidConsidering the context of Tree's comment, I assume he is refering to MS as the one with the attitude of being too confrontational about the Milwaukee Road debate.
It's happened before, and not with Mr. Sol.
Again, it's when someone implies that someone is stupid/ignorant/what-have-you for having posted what they posted. Especially if they don't offer a correction as part of their response. In Mr. Sol's defense, he did eventually go on to cite applicable information.
I don't think anyone begrudges him his knowledge. One of the nice parts of this forum is that information is shared.
But don't start off pointing out that (the editorial) you are simply smarter than everyone else. That tends to rub folks the wrong way.
Again please specify what Sol did? His language was appropriate, no personal attacks, i.e., AFAIK, he did not call or imply that anyone was stupid. He only asked s certain poster for facts. So you are saying if someone feels hurt, that is grounds for s bizarre moderator intervention? I wonder who complained?
charlie hebdoAgain please specify what Sol did? His language was appropriate, no personal attacks, i.e., AFAIK, he did not call or imply that anyone was stupid. He only asked s certain poster for facts. So you are saying if someone feels hurt, that is grounds for s bizarre moderator intervention? I wonder who complained?
Well, I didn't complain. But I didn't like it that Sol was allowed back on here.
To my understanding he was thrown off some years ago for his frequent personal attacks. And I was one subject to them. He researched me and used my involvement in Greyhound racing, which I am proud of, to viciously and falsely attack me. He similarly attacked others.
You were not here when he was. Myself, and some others, were here.
BaltACD Whoever did what they did totally screwed up the thread. You can't even access the therad by clicking on the last post from the index. Kalmbach IT strikes again.
Whoever did what they did totally screwed up the thread. You can't even access the therad by clicking on the last post from the index.
Kalmbach IT strikes again.
Same here I am getting initial errors until I click on Ascending or Descending order. For the record, I think the tone in the thread is OK, I have thick skin and fully understand that along with weak evidence comes some disparagement in an attempt to throw people off the trail of challenging the weak evidence. Part of the human condition.
BTW, PCE....Operational Employee interviews (various dates of service), note that none of them comment on any surge in traffic or boom business, some do complain about bad track, rather interesting that none of them have a similar perspective to some of what is presented here. I believe their testimony below is honest and do not think they are trying to keep anything quiet from the public:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LqU02DAhTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ICgAwZ3RNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiMFjpiuZGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTdJi85aUzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP74818d8ao&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMEBNlh8co0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1r-Sl50Z8
The last interview by Mr. Pember describes some late Milwaukee Road innovations developed on the PCE.
charlie hebdo Again please specify what Sol did? His language was appropriate, no personal attacks, i.e., AFAIK, he did not call or imply that anyone was stupid. He only asked s certain poster for facts. So you are saying if someone feels hurt, that is grounds for s bizarre moderator intervention? I wonder who complained?
Well, it wasn't me. And with all of his posts deleted, it's going to be impossible to find a smoking gun.
What I find ironic is that this is the most active current thread despite the access to it being a realtive 10 miles of bad road.
Euclid Does anybody actually know he was thrown off the forum several years ago? I was there and participated in several of his posts. I know that there were a lot of people who probably wished he was thrown off. So if he left on his own decision, there would likely be people asserting that he was thrown off, and that would be the persisting explanation with no evidence needed. The point is that in this thread, he did not violate any forum rules. Although, by using the abuse button, there may have been a popular vote to ban him by those who were offended by someone disagreeing with them. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing or being offended. But I cannot imagine a moderator agreeing to let the popular demand take the place of the Forum Constitution. Please tell me that didn’t happen.
Backshop Euclid Does anybody actually know he was thrown off the forum several years ago? I was there and participated in several of his posts. I know that there were a lot of people who probably wished he was thrown off. So if he left on his own decision, there would likely be people asserting that he was thrown off, and that would be the persisting explanation with no evidence needed. The point is that in this thread, he did not violate any forum rules. Although, by using the abuse button, there may have been a popular vote to ban him by those who were offended by someone disagreeing with them. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing or being offended. But I cannot imagine a moderator agreeing to let the popular demand take the place of the Forum Constitution. Please tell me that didn’t happen. You keep implying that he was kicked off without any facts. I didn't report him and I don't know anyone who did. Also, why do YOU feel that you always have to be contrarian and argue with everyone?
You keep implying that he was kicked off without any facts. I didn't report him and I don't know anyone who did. Also, why do YOU feel that you always have to be contrarian and argue with everyone?
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