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Posted by 243129 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:13 AM

tree68

 

 
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Do you question Dr.Fauci's credentials? Please elaborate.

 

More than me.  It's in the news.

 

Would that be FOX News by chance?

tree68
He's a bureaucrat. I haven't trusted him from the beginning. He's always been in the "OMG YOU NEED TO LIVE IN FEAR" camp.

You certainly do need "to live in fear" these days courtesy of the present administration which values the economy over human life.

So tell me where Fauci errs and is concerned with procedural correctness at the expense of people's needs.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 12:38 PM

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Would that be FOX News by chance?

What's FOX News?

I can't cite specifics without doing a lot of research to find where I did originally find stuff.  My opinion of him is an amalgamation of bits of info gathered over time.

The problem with the "facts" is that they've often been wrong, or wrongly applied, hence the "live in fear."  

And we're finding out that "living in fear" is killing people, too.

And we can't forget that there is a political aspect to all of this.  But this isn't the place to discuss it.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:06 PM

tree68
Or be able to support their families, keep their businesses, etc, and so on.  Our paper just published a story about a small business going out of business because of this.  Domestic violence is up, significantly.  So are drug issues.  

Small businesses go out of business all the time due to many factors.  It sucks, but it's that whole risk v. reward thing.  

I mean, I didn't choose this PSR crap either, but since I'm working for the man - I'm stuck with it for now. 

tree68
This virus is a bad thing, no question.  The question is whether the reaction to it was over the top.  Many feel it was.

If people would have used their brains and not completely ignored reccomendations (because freedom = doing the opopsite of what you're told, apparently), we wouldn't have needed the regulations.  But they didn't even try to change their behavior one little bit - so here we are. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:15 PM

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a story about a small business going out of business because of this.

Not to be construed in any way that I condone domestic violence,  but since the violent can't go hang out in bars and pool halls, etc etc,  it only figures that the pattern of behavior would follow them. That they are violent is not necessarily a result of the response to the pandemic.

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Posted by Euclid on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:32 PM

I understand that there are about 21 states that still maintain lockdowns.  Part of what is agitating people to oppose the lockdowns is that there appears to be no endpoint to them.  They will continue as long as necessary and that depends on the state governors and people like Dr. Fauci. 

Initially, the President wanted to open up on Easter, April 15th. Everybody thought that was too early, so they agreed on April 30th.  As that day approached, it was suddenly changed to end of May.  Now the rationale seems to be that the country cannot be opened until the risk is completely gone.  Everybody knows that it will never be completely gone, so the position of wanting to maintain lockdowns appears to be disingenuous.

It appears that there is another motivation to maintain the lockdowns.  In that context, it appears that the pandemic is being used as a kind of prop in a larger theatrical production that has nothing to do with the pandemic.  Opposition to lifting the lockdowns is being characterized as comparing the saving of a child’s life to upholding the greed of capitalism. 

Dr. Fauci is careful not to commit to any reopening of the economy.  Only he can say when reopening may happen, and he said he won’t know until the time has come.  It is the same with the Governor of Michigan.  When it is time to reopen, she will know it when she sees it.  The President has deferred to the Governors on this decision, so they are in the driver’s seat.  Even through the Governors will not commit to a date, I think they are committed to the premise that reopening wil be at least several more months out. 

It is not hard to understand why there is controversy over this.  People who were working at jobs are now making more money by staying home.  But people with small businesses do not have the luxury of simply shutting down for several months.  It is not just a matter of them losing a paycheck.  They have capital invested in their businesses.  Some of that capital is life savings and some is borrowed.  They stand to lose it all.  The longer a business is shut down, the longer it takes to regain the previous business activity upon reopening.  There is a tipping point where the capital runs out and cash flow will be too slow to save the business. 

So friction builds as the reopening seems to be slipping further out in time, and reasoning seems so cloudy, non-committal, and untrustworthy.  It is leading the country into major conflict.  The protests in Michigan were just the tip of the iceberg.  Soon there will massive violations of the lockdowns.  Police and National Guard will step in to keep business closed and to fine the owners for attempting otherwise. Tempers will flare. 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:36 PM

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That's not necessarily a result of the response to the pandemic.

The police agencies in this area may disagree with that.

People around here are wondering why the big box stores are essential, but their mom & pop store, which sells something the big box store also sells, are not.  One example is local bakeries...

A barber in MI had his license revoked because he was cutting hair for free.  Really?  Willing vendor, willing customers, petit tyrant governor.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:42 PM

243129
tree68 
243129
Do you question Dr.Fauci's credentials? Please elaborate.

 Would that be FOX News by chance?

 tree68

He's a bureaucrat. I haven't trusted him from the beginning. He's always been in the "OMG YOU NEED TO LIVE IN FEAR" camp.

So tell me where Fauci errs and is concerned with procedural correctness at the expense of people's needs.

Who do you believe, a man who pays women to silence them and who is on record braging about grabing women by the P###y, Who goes bankrupt multple times, who cons students with a faux college, who is afraid to show his tax returns, who has been married three times, etc. Who won't answer a news reporters question and instead calling a it "Nasty". Or a well reguarded professional that is stating facts based professional knowledge?

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:49 PM

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 2:53 PM

Euclid
People who were working at jobs are now making more money by staying home. 

Can you substantiate that statement?

 

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, May 16, 2020 3:08 PM

tree68
The police agencies in this area may disagree with that.

I went back and edited the post, I didn't frame my comment very well the first time through, sincere apologies...etc.

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Posted by Convicted One on Saturday, May 16, 2020 3:10 PM

Electroliner 1935
Can you substantiate that statement?

I know guys who with the "supplemental" $600/wk federal  unemployment added on top of the normal state paid amounts, claim they are way better off than when working 40 hrs/week.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:30 PM

Electroliner 1935
Who do you believe, a man who pays women to silence them and who is on record braging about grabing women by the P###y, Who goes bankrupt multple times, who cons students with a faux college, who is afraid to show his tax returns, who has been married three times, etc. Who won't answer a news reporters question and instead calling a it "Nasty". Or a well reguarded professional that is stating facts based professional knowledge?

Maybe I don't believe either of them.  However, I suspect that the "well regarded professor" has an agenda.  And it has nothing to do with saving lives.

The "science" behind the virus is hardly settled.  

Of course, I don't believe the MSM at all.  They were quick to discredit something that the prez said that is actually something doctors do every day - "inject" something into the lungs.  In fact, anyone who uses a "puffer" does exactly that.  Wouldn't it be nice if medical researchers could find a medication that could be delivered in the same way and thus deal with the infection?  Disinfecting the lungs?  

But, no.  The hated orange-haired man said it, so it must be wrong...

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Posted by 243129 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 5:28 PM

tree68
What's FOX News?

Perhaps you will recognize FAUX News.

tree68
I can't cite specifics without doing a lot of research to find where I did originally find stuff.

Why post statements that you cannot or will not substantiate?

tree68
The problem with the "facts" is that they've often been wrong, or wrongly applied, hence the "live in fear." And we're finding out that "living in fear" is killing people, too.

How is "living in fear" killing people?

tree68
And we can't forget that there is a political aspect to all of this. But this isn't the place to discuss it.

Why not? You brought it up.

 

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Posted by 243129 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 5:30 PM

tree68

 

 
Electroliner 1935
Who do you believe, a man who pays women to silence them and who is on record braging about grabing women by the P###y, Who goes bankrupt multple times, who cons students with a faux college, who is afraid to show his tax returns, who has been married three times, etc. Who won't answer a news reporters question and instead calling a it "Nasty". Or a well reguarded professional that is stating facts based professional knowledge?

 

Maybe I don't believe either of them.  However, I suspect that the "well regarded professor" has an agenda.  And it has nothing to do with saving lives.

The "science" behind the virus is hardly settled.  

Of course, I don't believe the MSM at all.  They were quick to discredit something that the prez said that is actually something doctors do every day - "inject" something into the lungs.  In fact, anyone who uses a "puffer" does exactly that.  Wouldn't it be nice if medical researchers could find a medication that could be delivered in the same way and thus deal with the infection?  Disinfecting the lungs?  

But, no.  The hated orange-haired man said it, so it must be wrong...

 

Spoken like a Trump supporter.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:05 PM

Boy am I glad I live in Canada!

Time for some more popcorn........

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:12 PM

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Time for some more popcorn........

I wonder how Canadians eat popcorn.  Probably with gravy on it or something. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:21 PM

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SD70Dude
Time for some more popcorn........

I wonder how Canadians eat popcorn.  Probably with gravy on it or something. 

It's a special dish.  Reserved for truly entertaining occasions.  Made with KD, Canadian bacon, and lots of Dijon ketchup on top.  

I'll try putting gravy on it tonight, good idea!

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:26 PM

No, no gravy. Butter, salt if you dare anymore. 

So what if Tree is a Trump supporter? Whats is to you anyway? Also that's pretty presumptuous. 

Now I've gotta go , making popcorn with gravy and cheese, ..oops, I mean butter and a little salt. 

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Posted by 243129 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:55 PM

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So what if Tree is a Trump supporter? Whats is to you anyway? Also that's pretty presumptuous.

What's it to you if I presume he is?

His rhetoric is that of the 'base'.

He initiated this discussion with a snide remark about the credentials of the  American immunologist and head of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:13 PM

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Spoken like a Trump supporter.

Alas, no.  Although given the alternatives with which we were presented, I do feel he was the better choice.

That's a major part of the problem these days - if you don't say you hate someone, you "obviously" love them.

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:22 PM

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He's a bureaucrat.  I haven't trusted him from the beginning.  He's always been in the "OMG YOU NEED TO LIVE IN FEAR" camp.  

 

I don't think wanting to protect yourself or others is "living in fear".

IMO, that's just the narrative people who are selfish and unwilling to alter their daily lives a little seem to cling to. 

 

Certainly, people do not take precautions because they live in fear. Are you afraid to walk across a street, or do you simply look to make certain that the way is clear before crossing? When aware of possible danger, it is well to do what you can to avoid trouble. Be prepared!

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:26 PM

tree68

 

 
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Spoken like a Trump supporter.

 

Alas, no.  Although given the alternatives with which we were presented, I do feel he was the better choice.

That's a major part of the problem these days - if you don't say you hate someone, you "obviously" love them.

 

 

Well said, Larry. I have my thoughts about politics, but since these forums are not intended to be political forums, it is irksome to read any comment that is political--especially since the rules for using the forums forbid such comments.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:27 PM

Vote for Zug. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:34 PM

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... since these forums are not intended to be political forums, it is irksome to read any comment that is political--especially since the rules for using the forums forbid such comments.

You know, when the 'defeat McConnell' ads started erupting at the bottom of my browser yesterday, it was the last straw for the picayune, hypocritical attempts of these weasels to dictate how the hoi are supposed to behave while Kalmbach with the gold makes the rules.  So be as political and negative as you want -- they're pushing that sort of content to us, so it has to be OK.

I second the motion -- vote for Zug!

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:39 PM

Overmod
I second the motion -- vote for Zug!

I promise to sell my integrity only to the highest bidder!

 

Those are my principles.  If you don't like them - I have others!

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:40 PM

Overmod
I second the motion -- vote for Zug!

I "triple" the motion!  'Bout friggin' time we had a railroad man in the White House!  

I don't think Zug's particularly interested in mandating a return to steam, but that's OK, nobody's perfect!  Wink

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:44 PM

Overmod
You know, when the 'defeat McConnell' ads started erupting at the bottom of my browser yesterday

Man, am I glad I got that ad blocker!  It was worth losing the hot swimsuit ads over!

Besides, if I want to see women in hot outfits there's always the "Paramus Daily Voice!"  

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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:46 PM

zugmann

Vote for Zug. 

As every democracy needs an opposition, I suggest bringing back these guys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party

Note their past election promises (including a promise to not keep any promises).

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:50 PM

SD70Dude
As every democracy needs an opposition, I suggest bringing back these guys:

But they were never Americans, and are now really 'rhinos in name only'.

I say we revive the Antarctica Liberation Front.  Now in these days of global warming, soon to reveal the wealth of natural resources as the ice melts, it is more than ever time to Free the Continent of Destiny!

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:50 PM

Flintlock76
I don't think Zug's particularly interested in mandating a return to steam, but that's OK, nobody's perfect!  

May do it to win over the Belpaire lobby. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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