Euclid I don't understand what is being disputed regarding your use of statistics. To be clear, I only asked for your source about the statement that most of fatilities are older people with underlying conditions.
The fatality rates by age can be found on the CDC&P website or the New York Times. Statistics for other countries, as well as the world, can be found at the World Health Organization.
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EuclidTo be clear, I only asked for your source about the statement that most of fatilities are older people with underlying conditions.
That information is readily available via a search. Charts and anecdotal data both indicate that it's the old and infirm who are most likely to die (last chart I saw listed zero deaths under age 2).
This is a respiratory virus - "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome." The original SARS, a corona virus as well, dates to 2003. It has not been seen since 2004.
As a respiratory virus, the most common victims will be those who already have respiratory issues - COPD, asthma, etc. Of course, those lacking the ability to fight off an infection (ie, imunocompromised) are also at risk, as one might expect. Most folks who fit that description are generally already sensitive to the risks they face and are probably taking precautions.
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PJS1 charlie hebdo Are you certain you have a better grasp of statistics than those you demean? What is your training? Look up the statistics! Since when is presenting statistical data demeaning? I don't care what you think! I can make any claim about my education, experience, etc. And that is all it is - a claim that cannot be verified. It finally dawned on me that quoting experience and education on a forum like this is stupid. There is no way to prove it. That, BTW, applies to everyone participating in the forums.
charlie hebdo Are you certain you have a better grasp of statistics than those you demean? What is your training?
Look up the statistics!
Since when is presenting statistical data demeaning?
I don't care what you think!
I can make any claim about my education, experience, etc. And that is all it is - a claim that cannot be verified. It finally dawned on me that quoting experience and education on a forum like this is stupid. There is no way to prove it. That, BTW, applies to everyone participating in the forums.
I don't understand what is being disputed regarding your use of statistics. To be clear, I only asked for your source about the statement that most of fatilities are older people with underlying conditions. I hear that all the time and I am not sure I believe it. It sounds like somthing that is just repeated. Yet it would be easy to back up with the actual numbers indicating age of the people who have died from the virus. It seems like an easy statistic. It is not that I feel you should provide it, but I do think the authorities could easily provide it. The fact that they don't leads to my distrust of the claim. The more it is claimed that only old and unhealthy people are dying, they less of the threat the virus seems to be.
From what I read, I get the impression that the virus spread starts out slow and maybe that makes governments complacent. Then suddenly the virus spread explodes.
PJS1 Again, the statistics, although the people in charge apparently don’t know how to interpret them or don’t care to. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the estimated population of the United States is 330,414,717 The estimated population of Texas is 28,995,881. According to the New York Times, as of Saturday morning there were 2,195 actual or presumed cases of COVID-19 in the United States. Deaths were 29. Thus, approximately .00066 percent of the U.S. population has contracted the disease and .000015 percent has died from it. Approximately .00018 percent of Texans have tested positive for COVID-19. No one has died from it. Approximately 96.5 percent of the people that contract COVID-19 survive it. Of those that have died, many of them have had underlying health issues, or they were elderly. Or both! People should be cautious. They should practice good hygiene, as recommended by the CDC, avoid large crowds, and not panic. Get off the roads. Your chances of being killed or seriously hurt in a car crash are probably higher than being taken down by COVID-19.
Are you certain you have a better grasp of statistics than those you demean? What is your training?
Flintlock76Oh, yeah baby. And if you're in an area where Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel shows up you KNOW you're in trouble! He's "The Angel of Doom!"
Our last big storm only rated a cameraman from TWC...
Flintlock76 Dr. Forbes gets all the love on TWC but Cantore is the man. Mark me down as a longtime fan BaltACD Flintlock76 Political aspect? How about the great words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? "The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!" In the media world - FEAR SELLS. Ever since NBC bought The Westher Channel - now whenever a storm is forecast we get told how many million people it will affect - the bigger the number the more fear gets sold. Oh, yeah baby. And if you're in an area where Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel shows up you KNOW you're in trouble! He's "The Angel of Doom!"
Dr. Forbes gets all the love on TWC but Cantore is the man. Mark me down as a longtime fan
BaltACD Flintlock76 Political aspect? How about the great words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? "The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!" In the media world - FEAR SELLS. Ever since NBC bought The Westher Channel - now whenever a storm is forecast we get told how many million people it will affect - the bigger the number the more fear gets sold.
Flintlock76 Political aspect? How about the great words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? "The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!"
"The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!"
In the media world - FEAR SELLS.
Ever since NBC bought The Westher Channel - now whenever a storm is forecast we get told how many million people it will affect - the bigger the number the more fear gets sold.
Oh, yeah baby. And if you're in an area where Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel shows up you KNOW you're in trouble! He's "The Angel of Doom!"
PJS1 Of those that have died, many of them have had underlying health issues, or they were elderly. Or both!
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I'm an open-wheel auto racing fan. Formula One and IndyCar season openers were supposed to be today. Both were cancelled, after all the teams were already there. Most F1 teams traveled from England to Australia. Most IndyCar teams traveled from Indianapolis. Serious $ lost by F1. In addition to all the travel and shipping and hotel costs there are many other things one would not readily think of. For example, Pirelli is now scapping 1800 perfectly new, mega-expensive racing tires. Article explains why. They go for around $700 each. $1.2mil.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-scraps-1800-tyres-australian-gp/4749317/
I was really looking forward to those races all winter. :-( But good decisions by the managements.
First weekend without hockey, or any sports.
Hey, did you guys know the Earth is round!
Fim Noir tonight on Turner Classic was ' I Wake Up Screaming'
These days who dosen't.
SD70Dude Hockey has been cancelled. The world might as well end. And my Oilers were actually going to make the playoffs this year!
Hockey has been cancelled. The world might as well end. And my Oilers were actually going to make the playoffs this year!
Well, you're way "Up North", but I understand you.
For me, it's baseball. It's cancelled too. Can't do a thing about it except wash my hands. Again.
Flintlock76Political aspect? How about the great words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt? "The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!"
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
tree68 Everyone can still be tested, but it may be weeks before your results are available...
At least you'll know after you had it that you had it.
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"A stranger's just a friend you ain't met yet." --- Dave Gardner
I was going to eat supper at Panera tonight, but they had their dining area completely blocked off. I ate elsewhere.
Saw an interesting post on good ol' FB - suggesting that many people may have already had the virus, just didn't realize it. And that has been reported.
Now there's news that labs lack key materials to actually conduct the test for the virus. Everyone can still be tested, but it may be weeks before your results are available...
I don't think people should panic, but I do think people should do everything in their power to limit contact with other humanoids.
We were less than prudent and did stop for lunch at a little fish joint today. It was just order at a counter, and we ate at our own table outside, not close to others.
But I think that's going to do it for risk for a while. We will be on the road for about half of the next ten days. I think it's going to be drive-through whenever possible. We are definitely not eating the hotel buffet breakfasts. Fortunately most nights we will be in VRBO rentals, or staying with friends or relatives. Only two hotel nights. But we will need to grocery shop. Traveling ain't staying home! Maine in early spring sucks, but it will be nice to get back to our own home, and it will be easier to control our own destiny there.
Here in Charleston SC today, there were markedly fewer people out and about. Much fewer. Of course, maybe everyone was at Walmart buying toilet paper!
As was noted earlier, the rail blockades are all gone, at least for now. Coastal GasLink has resumed pipeline construction, and Trans-Mountain is continuing full steam ahead.
It is normal for details of agreements like this not to be released immediately. The same thing happened when we got the tentative agreement that ended the recent CTY strike at CN. It takes time to spread the word around and discuss the agreement with all those who will be affected by it.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Hey, Lady Firestorm and I went out to eat tonight at a barbeque place that just opened up. Two reasons. First, we love barbeque! Second, we want to give the working folks who opened the place a fighting chance at being a success, doubly important with all this coronavirus panic going on. Cars in the parking lot usually mean more cars in the parking lot. Cascade effect, you know?
And guess what? They were GREAT! Glad we went! And we'll go again!
Political aspect? How about the great words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
What's amazing is the reaction I get when I suggest that people just chill. SARS-CoV-2 needs to be respected, but the level of panic currently being observed is completely uncalled for.
Never mind the political aspect many want to insert into the issue.
Re blockade in Canada-- it was all discussed in depth and with answers on this thread above March. 7th-9th.
No information whatsoever has come out of the discussions on any of the specifics.
As for Corona- many events and public gatherings are on hold. Ontario has closed all schools for 2 weeks as have other provinces. The Prime Ministers wife has tested positive after returning from Spain. The Prime Minister has tested negative. BC has the most problems so far.
Here in Saskatchewan we have 2 cases so far, a firefighter in Saskatoon and a Doctor in Saskatoon who just returned from Egypt. The Juno awards, held in Saskatoon this year, have been cancelled.
Our Co-oP store was way busier than usual yesterday. There were 10 carts in every aisle which makes for challenging navigation and although not a panic it was a focused determination. Yup, TP shelves were empty and carts rolled out from the back never made it to the shelves, no chance to restock, they were picked clean in minutes. I think I got the last spray bottle of Lysol, one left on a lonely shelf that's usually full.
Here is this mornings announcement from the Prime Ministers Office.
Assiciated links below the bulletin on general Covid -19 responses
March 13, 2020Ottawa, Ontario
Today, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke with National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations Perry Bellegarde, President of Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami Natan Obed, and Vice-President and National Spokesperson for the Métis National Council David Chartrand, to discuss the COVID-19 outbreak and the measures taken by the Government of Canada to limit the spread of the virus in Canada.
Minister of Indigenous Services Marc Miller provided an update on the work being done by Indigenous Services Canada with Indigenous partners to support preparedness, and acknowledged the unique challenges faced by Indigenous people due to socio-economic gaps that still exist. Minister Miller stressed that the Government of Canada is committed to working with First Nations, Inuit, and Métis Nation leaders to ensure their communities have the full support they need during this outbreak, and to regular communication with Indigenous partners and provinces and territories.
Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam also participated in these discussions. The Prime Minister emphasized that the Government of Canada is taking a whole-of-government, comprehensive, and coordinated approach to respond to COVID-19, and that the well-being and safety of Indigenous peoples and all Canadians is the Government’s top priority.
The Prime Minister highlighted the Government of Canada’s ongoing commitment to work with First Nations, Inuit, and Métis Nation leaders to fund and support preparedness and mitigation measures in their communities. This new funding builds on previous investments to help ensure health care measures, supplies, and equipment are in place, and provide Indigenous communities with accurate information, training for health care providers, and support to ensure health risk plans are up-to-date, follow best practices, and are culturally and regionally responsive.
The Prime Minister and Indigenous leaders committed to continued collaboration in combating the COVID-19 outbreak.
Evidently Canada has not been exempt from panic buying:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-s-toilet-paper-supply-is-safe-amid-covid-19-pandemic-according-to-market-leader-1.4853370
BaltACDHave not been hearing any Covid-19 stories from the Great White North - has the virus been frozen out?
Haven't you heard about the superior national heathcare they have up there?
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/the-latest-numbers-of-covid-19-cases-in-canada-as-of-march-14-2020
Convicted One Flintlock76 Maybe COVID-19's got the protestors running for cover too? With shortages on store shelves during a health emergency, I suspect that its no longer fashionable to obstruct commerce.
Flintlock76 Maybe COVID-19's got the protestors running for cover too?
With shortages on store shelves during a health emergency, I suspect that its no longer fashionable to obstruct commerce.
Have not been hearing any Covid-19 stories from the Great White North - has the virus been frozen out?
Paul of Covington Convicted One Sympathy strike? https://i.imgur.com/nSLl5fa.mp4 Something puzzles me. Before anything happened, the photographer happened to have his camera (or phone) trained on the right spot. In the first few seconds, the site of the slide was slightly off center, and he centered it before anything even moved.
Convicted One Sympathy strike? https://i.imgur.com/nSLl5fa.mp4
Sympathy strike? https://i.imgur.com/nSLl5fa.mp4
Something puzzles me. Before anything happened, the photographer happened to have his camera (or phone) trained on the right spot. In the first few seconds, the site of the slide was slightly off center, and he centered it before anything even moved.
Traditional 'slide' locations are a known - given the conditions that are known to cause slides are in place - go to the slide location and wait (hopefully in a position that you won't be a victim of the slide.
Seems overtly opportune that the camera just happened to have been pointed at the right spot.
Well, since we haven't heard from our Canadian friends lately concerning this issue I'd assume the worst is over and things are slowly getting back to normal.
I'll have to check the National Post later to see what the latest is, if there is any latest. Maybe COVID-19's got the protestors running for cover too?
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