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Posted by MMLDelete on Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:08 PM

zugmann, are you saying that the engineer just sits at the controls normally, facing the A end (towards the train), and keeps track of the track ahead (behind him) with mirrors!?

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:52 PM

I dunno.  Our engines have good mirrors.  If one gets broken, it gets replaced. 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:48 PM

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Having good mirrors helps a lot.

Is it legal, or possible, to 'bring your own mirrors' if you know or suspect you'll be stuck with a long-hood-forward consist?  (Or switching with one of these locomotives?)

I remember reading long ago (in Trains, regarding Alcos that usually didn't keep their water and would create a 'hunting season' effect at transition) that savvy engineers would carry certain common components in their grips, together with certain 'workaround' pieces.  I well remember the calibrated stack of pennies that several people mentioned would adjust Baldwin governors.   Does any of that spirit or practice, which I understand has been 'officially' done away with, still apply anywhere?

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:24 PM

Having good mirrors helps a lot.


 

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Posted by MMLDelete on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:04 PM

Here in New Bern NC, where we are hanging out for a couple of weeks, yesterday I saw a northbound train come through with a modern wide-cab engine, running long hood forward. From all I can gather it had to have run that way all the way from Morehead City, about 35 miles way. This type of engine looks odd running long hood forward, with the dynamic brake radiators being the chief visual feature as it approaches.

There is a small NS yard here. Maybe the train terminates there, but maybe it goes much farther with long hood forward. There is a wye here, so the engine could be turned if desired.

I now wonder if the train always goes south in normal mode, and always runs north with long hood forward. I believe there is a wye in Morehead City, but maybe they don't want to take the time to turn the engine.

I hope to figure out the routine before we leave here 1/1.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, December 22, 2019 9:33 PM

If the loco has an AAR stand and there are two sets of eyes, it's not really a problem.  Our excursion trips have to run one way with the long hood leading because we have no way to turn the locomotives.

Recall that "in the beginning" virtually all Diesel/electrics were set up to run long hood forward.  Even with the short hood leading, when they were full height, you needed two sets of eyes.

And some locomotives were built with two control stands, one for each direction.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 7:57 PM

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Other than the obvious issue of the engineer not being able to see any unpleasant surprise coming from the left side, is there anything else that makes running long hood forward more difficult?

First of all, on locomotives with desks the controls are still over on what is now the left side, and some aren't sideways but facing straight back... which is now of course behind where the engineer is sitting to see out.

You can judge some of the visibility issues by the size of the right-side-in-normal-direction rear cab window, which is now the front.  The view "forward" along the long hood is complicated, on a GE, by the large overhang of the radiators, so your vision to the front is shall we say circumscribed.  You'll probably want to have the cab side window open to lean out some of the time...

A locomotive like this is equally able to run in either direction pulling a train; it is certainly not equally able to BE run in either direction...

Oddly, seldom a week or two goes by before I see something with relatively modern power and long-hood-leading leaving the ex-Southern intermodal yard at the eastbound end, opposite the grade-separated crossing where that line goes over the ex-IC freight cutoff line.  The last one I saw was on an intermodal stack consist and the long-hood problems didn't preclude the train getting to 45mph before I lost him due to morning road traffic.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, December 22, 2019 5:51 PM

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    This week I observed something I'd never seen before, a locomotive running with the long hood forward. I know they're made to be bi-directional. Other than the obvious issue of the engineer not being able to see any unpleasant surprise coming from the left side, is there anything else that makes running long hood forward more difficult?

If there aren't ditch lights on the long hood end, then it is restricted to 20 MPH over road crossing.

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Best hood forward.
Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, December 22, 2019 5:10 PM

    This week I observed something I'd never seen before, a locomotive running with the long hood forward. I know they're made to be bi-directional. Other than the obvious issue of the engineer not being able to see any unpleasant surprise coming from the left side, is there anything else that makes running long hood forward more difficult?

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