But Charlie, you know as well as I, that persecution of Jews did not begin with concentratin camps and did start as soon as Hitler took power.
charlie hebdoYou are mixing facts with your ideological views. After you write a thesis as a history major, get back to us. The first inmates in Dachau were political prisoners from the SPD and KPD. The three parties all had street fighters in the 20s and 30s. Listen to the lyrics of the Horst Wessel Lied. Facts, not interpretation.
Blah, Blah, Blah. You can even Google what I stated as the truth. Understood it erodes your idealogy on the Left as always making the right decisions in the past......which is BS at it's worst and I will always confront that "holier than thou" part of the idealogy when I read it. Nobody is perfect we are all human.
Some pigs are not more equal than others.
Backshop kgbw49 Why the Brits ever gave up their perpetual lease may never be completely understood. Easy, they didn't have a choice. The PRC would have made it "very uncomfortable" for them if they didn't. Britain didn't have the forces to stand up to the Chinese. Hong Kong would have been blockaded.
kgbw49 Why the Brits ever gave up their perpetual lease may never be completely understood.
Easy, they didn't have a choice. The PRC would have made it "very uncomfortable" for them if they didn't. Britain didn't have the forces to stand up to the Chinese. Hong Kong would have been blockaded.
HK was seized by the Brits in the 19th c. from a feeble China as part of the Opium Wars, a disgrace in Imperial British history. The British East India Company, a drug cartel, needed to balance opium exports to for tea from China. When China attempted to halt this, the British forced the issue.
CMStPnP charlie hebdo You are mixing facts with your ideological views. After you write a thesis as a history major, get back to us. The first inmates in Dachau were political prisoners from the SPD and KPD. The three parties all had street fighters in the 20s and 30s. Listen to the lyrics of the Horst Wessel Lied. Facts, not interpretation. Blah, Blah, Blah. You can even Google what I stated as the truth. Understood it erodes your idealogy on the Left as always making the right decisions in the past......which is BS at it's worst and I will always confront that "holier than thou" part of the idealogy when I read it. Nobody is perfect we are all human. Some pigs are not more equal than others.
charlie hebdo You are mixing facts with your ideological views. After you write a thesis as a history major, get back to us. The first inmates in Dachau were political prisoners from the SPD and KPD. The three parties all had street fighters in the 20s and 30s. Listen to the lyrics of the Horst Wessel Lied. Facts, not interpretation.
As I clearly stated, you confounded some facts with your ideologically biased views. It is obvious you never had formal training in history so you resort to personal attacks.
daveklepper But Charlie, you know as well as I, that persecution of Jews did not begin with concentratin camps and did start as soon as Hitler took power.
KZ Dachau was opened by the SS in March 1933,within a few days of passage of the Enabling Act that gave Chancellor Hitler (appointed Jan. 30) unchecked power.Initially its inmates were members of political opposition parties, later other groups. Although not a Todeslager (Death Camp) thousands died there.
charlie hebdo daveklepper But Charlie, you know as well as I, that persecution of Jews did not begin with concentratin camps and did start as soon as Hitler took power. KZ Dachau was opened by the SS in March 1933,within a few days of passage of the Enabling Act that gave Chancellor Hitler (appointed Jan. 30) unchecked power.Initially its inmates were members of political opposition parties, later other groups. Although not a Todeslager (Death Camp) thousands died there.
Actually, Dachau was originally run by the SA, the Sturm Abteilung, usually referred to as the "Storm Troopers." The SS wouldn't really rise to prominence until after the "Blood Purge," the "Night Of The Long Knives," when SA chief Ernst Roehm and his top staffers were liquidated by Hitler and the SS in 1934.
The SS took over running of Dachau when it was deemed the SA weren't mean enough. Imagine that.
Just to refer back to my original post, re-read it, I referred to what's going on in Hong Kong as a quasi- Kristallnacht. It was the best historical parallel I could think of at the time. I know what the original one was about.
The difference is, the originall Kristallnacht was an attack on a people because of what they are. The current events in Hong Kong are an attack on a people because of what they wish to be.
Just a thought. Imagine if an outraged world had immediately treated Nazi Germany as a pariah nation immediately after Kristallnacht took place, instead of continuing "business as usual."
Quite a good discussion all. I'm proud to be in your company.
Correction: KZ Dachau was proposed initially on March 9, 1933 by Heinrich Himmler, then chief of police in Munich. It was opened on March 22.The SS supplemented the running of the camp from the police by late March under Hilmar Wäckerle, SS commandant.
By April, the Bavarian Justice Ministry was already investigating several questionable deaths and the commandant was charged with murder. Himmler intervened and ws replaced by the infamous Theodor Eicke. Lest anyone question the camp's original purpose was to imprison and worse Hitler's opponents from the Communist and Social Democratic Parties, here is the initial press release:
"On Wednesday the first concentration camp is to be opened in Dachau with an accommodation for 5000 people. 'All Communists and—where necessary—Reichsbanner and Social Democratic functionaries who endanger state security are to be concentrated here, as in the long run it is not possible to keep individual functionaries in the state prisons without overburdening these prisons, and on the other hand these people cannot be released because attempts have shown that they persist in their efforts to agitate and organize as soon as they are released."
And: Johann-Erasmus Freiherr von Malsen-Ponickau
"Comrades of the SS!You all know what the Fuehrer has called us to do. We have not come here for human encounters with those pigs in there. We do not consider them human beings, as we are, but as second-class people. For years they have been able to continue their criminal existence. But now we are in power. If those pigs had come to power, they would have cut off all our heads. Therefore we have no room for sentimentalism. If anyone here cannot bear to see the blood of comrades, he does not belong and had better leave. The more of these pig dogs we strike down, the fewer we need to feed."
Rhetorical question; does anyone at Kalmbach ever review these threads for content truly relevant to the posted topic?
Juniata Man Rhetorical question; does anyone at Kalmbach ever review these threads for content truly relevant to the posted topic?
Only if somone reports the thread.
I for one am going to leave this thread alone, it is quite interesting to read but above my intellectual pay grade, just like the Babylonian Talmudic discussion.
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Heaven forbid that a thread wander off topic. Must be those real railroaders who aren't happy with how it's going...
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It's one of the more interesting threads of recent time. And everyone with maybe one exception has been very polite.
tree68 Heaven forbid that a thread wander off topic. Must be those real railroaders who aren't happy with how it's going...
Oh; I've noticed since joining how discussions tend to wander on this forum. :-)
So; with that in mind - a quick question for SD70Dude; any developments in the strike against CN?
Thanks for the Dachau story Charlie, I'd heard it was an SA operation from the beginning. Very interesting. I didn't think Himmler had that much "pull" that early.
The Talmud, I know of it, but only one quote from it, and I hope I've got it right...
"If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? But if I am for myself alone, than what good am I?"
I heard those words years ago and never forgot them.
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If they do, if nothing else they should be proud of the caliber of their readers and posters!
Juniata Man So; with that in mind - a quick question for SD70Dude; any developments in the strike against CN?
Since you asked nicely.....
No real updates from negotiations. They are still talking, but I haven't heard of any real progress since the strike began.
CN is trying to make it seem like this is all about money. It isn't. It is mainly about our lack of scheduling (most train crews still work on call, without regular assigned days off) and the Company's demand for cuts to the rest and time off we can take.
Quebec is starting to run out of propane. They are screaming at Trudeau to legislate us back. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Flintlock76 Thanks for the Dachau story Charlie, I'd heard it was an SA operation from the beginning. Very interesting. I didn't think Himmler had that much "pull" that early.
You're very welcome. Himmler had a lot of power, gained in a meteoric rise into the highest levels of power in the 3rd Reich. In that position, he entered into the constant internal power struggles.
SD70Dude Juniata Man So; with that in mind - a quick question for SD70Dude; any developments in the strike against CN? Since you asked nicely..... No real updates from negotiations. They are still talking, but I haven't heard of any real progress since the strike began. CN is trying to make it seem like this is all about money. It isn't. It is mainly about our lack of scheduling (most train crews still work on call, without regular assigned days off) and the Company's demand for cuts to the rest and time off we can take. Quebec is starting to run out of propane. They are screaming at Trudeau to legislate us back. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Thanks for the update! And for the record; I hope y'all prevail here.
Murphy SidingCan you explain that a little more in depth? I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly
Railroads make money moving shipping containers full of imports from port to market.
I can see how any policy that restricts (either directly or indirectly) the overall volume of imports, would affect the revenue stream of such a railroad, and so I'd not be at all surprised that the honchos of said railroad would be critical of any policy that (directly or indirectly) curtailed their greed.
Last word was just a zinger to make sure you are paying attention...
Now, the fact that these items being expedited by the railroad are made on other shores, potentially costing loyal Americans valuable jobs on these shores, is entirely subjective....I'm not even willing to debate that part of it, believe whatever you want (zing!!)
Flintlock76Thank you C-O. I appreciate it.
FWIW, I thought the suggestion of branding you "anti-semitic" for your employ of a metaphor was totally over the top. You were clearly assessing the perps, not the victims.
But, for some, carrying that torch has become an enterprise, and they perhaps felt you were threatening the franchise?
tree68rather like saying one play was the entire football game.
Watching some of Tom Brady's post game interviews, you definitely get the impression he believes that.
Convicted One Murphy Siding Can you explain that a little more in depth? I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly Railroads make money moving shipping containers full of imports from port to market. I can see how any policy that restricts (either directly or indirectly) the overall volume of imports, would affect the revenue stream of such a railroad, and so I'd not be at all surprised that the honchos of said railroad would be critical of any policy that (directly or indirectly) curtailed their greed. Last word was just a zinger to make sure you are paying attention... Now, the fact that these items being expedited by the railroad are made on other shores, potentially costing loyal Americans valuable jobs on these shores, is entirely subjective....I'm not even willing to debate that part of it, believe whatever you want (zing!!)
Murphy Siding Can you explain that a little more in depth? I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly
Convicted One Perhaps that indicates that the plan is working?
Perhaps that indicates that the plan is working?
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
charlie hebdoAs I clearly stated, you confounded some facts with your ideologically biased views. It is obvious you never had formal training in history so you resort to personal attacks.
My post was about Hitlers rise to power and you attempted to refute it with events that happened AFTER Hitler had achieved power, then you stated I am confounding facts. No confusion on my part.
The KPD and SPD were first targeted because they were the largest of the two political parties outside of the NDSP (Nazi Party) and represented a more imminent threat. What happened after? They went after the smaller parties. All they were doing there was prioritizing to consolidate power fast, they were not singling out the Left Wing for special treatment.
You can write all the history papers you want, I actually lived in the country. Spoke with former German WWII veterans, been to a concentration camp museum, been to East Berlin, been physically on German WWII battlefields, seen the fortifications, seen the U-Boat pens, stood in the Riechstag, etc, etc. Never spoke German fluently, didn't need to. Everything in the major historical places have English narratives from a German perspective. Most Germans speak pretty fluent English.
Very nice. I was fortunate to have had the advantage of being fluent in German, had the training in history, including several classes at Uni Munich. I lived there for several years, including much closer in time to the time period in question. I talked with many veterans, including relatives there and others introduced to me by German friends and relatives. You were in the US Army, like a tourist by contrast. Big difference. I'm not going to argue with your views, as there is no point because you don't read carefully what others post.
Murphy SidingI was thinking maybe you were implying that part of the plan was to punish those who enabled the Chinese to move goods into our market- like railroads.
Me thinks you give me too much credit sometimes.
Charlie, did your time in Europe influence your choice of moniker, the satirical news outlet that was attacked by Islamic extremists?
Or there is my Husband's Family Charlie the only living part of it is that part that came over to the USA as those that stayed over in Europe were exterminated by Hitler and Himler's SS goons in Triblinka for being as he called them SUB HUMAN and unworthy of living in the Greater Germany. My great grandfather and his wife were the ONLY survivors of the village that he came from in 1918 when he immigrated to the USA after WW1 after fighting in the French Foreign Legion against the Germans and Austrian Hungarian Empires in that conflict.
China literally wants to rule the freaking world both economically and thru its use of force. They have a 2100 plan that no one talks about. By 2100 they want the entire world under their control and they mean the entire world. By 2050 they want everything east to Europe under their thumb including Russia. By 2075 they want all of Europe and by 2100 they want control of the American Continents. They want everything and country under their rule.
Shadow the Cats owner Or there is my Husband's Family Charlie the only living part of it is that part that came over to the USA as those that stayed over in Europe were exterminated by Hitler and Himler's SS goons in Triblinka for being as he called them SUB HUMAN and unworthy of living in the Greater Germany. My great grandfather and his wife were the ONLY survivors of the village that he came from in 1918 when he immigrated to the USA after WW1 after fighting in the French Foreign Legion against the Germans and Austrian Hungarian Empires in that conflict. China literally wants to rule the freaking world both economically and thru its use of force. They have a 2100 plan that no one talks about. By 2100 they want the entire world under their control and they mean the entire world. By 2050 they want everything east to Europe under their thumb including Russia. By 2075 they want all of Europe and by 2100 they want control of the American Continents. They want everything and country under their rule.
Are you saying they were Jewish?
Once again you are just spouting GOP war-mongering talking points. Question : In the last 60 years how many wars, invasions and other military actions has the US entered? How many has China?
Gramp Charlie, did your time in Europe influence your choice of moniker, the satirical news outlet that was attacked by Islamic extremists?
Maybe. Or maybe just basic humanity and compassion.
Convicted One Murphy Siding I was thinking maybe you were implying that part of the plan was to punish those who enabled the Chinese to move goods into our market- like railroads. Me thinks you give me too much credit sometimes.
Murphy Siding I was thinking maybe you were implying that part of the plan was to punish those who enabled the Chinese to move goods into our market- like railroads.
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