OMAHA, Neb. — The Trump Administration’s trade battle with China has gone too far and will do serious damage to the U.S. economy the longer tariffs remain in place, Union Pacific CEO Lance Fritz says. About 40% of UP’s traffic orig...
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/11/20-union-pacific-ceo-lance-fritz-says-us-chine-trade-dispute-has-gone-too-far
Brian Schmidt, Editor, Classic Trains magazine
With that quasi- Kristallnacht going on in Hong Kong quite honestly I really don't care if imports from China come to a screeching halt.
I mean, I'd hate to see a peoples attempt to keep what freedoms they have quashed, and then to think I paid for it.
Look for business elsewhere Mr. Fritz. If the regionals and shortlines can find it so can you.
Screw Wall Street.
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Flintlock76 With that quasi- Kristallnacht going on in Hong Kong quite honestly I really don't care if imports from China come to a screeching halt. I mean, I'd hate to see a peoples attempt to keep what freedoms they have quashed, and then to think I paid for it. Look for business elsewhere Mr. Fritz. If the regionals and shortlines can find it so can you. Screw Wall Street.
I doubt if you intended to, but your equating the HK situation with Kristallnacht is offensive to Jewish folks and anyone opposing racist behavior. The HK situation is complex and bears little resemblance to how the dynamics were initially. It's more like Kent State, if demonstrations there had gone on and escalated for months.
charlie hebdo Flintlock76 With that quasi- Kristallnacht going on in Hong Kong quite honestly I really don't care if imports from China come to a screeching halt. I mean, I'd hate to see a peoples attempt to keep what freedoms they have quashed, and then to think I paid for it. Look for business elsewhere Mr. Fritz. If the regionals and shortlines can find it so can you. Screw Wall Street. I doubt if you intended to, but your equating the HK situation with Kristallnacht is offensive to Jewish folks and anyone opposing racist behavior. The HK situation is complex and bears little resemblance to how the dynamics were initially. It's more like Kent State, if demonstrations there had gone on and escalated for months.
Only if the National Guard had continued on killing people for months.
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BaltACD charlie hebdo Flintlock76 With that quasi- Kristallnacht going on in Hong Kong quite honestly I really don't care if imports from China come to a screeching halt. I mean, I'd hate to see a peoples attempt to keep what freedoms they have quashed, and then to think I paid for it. Look for business elsewhere Mr. Fritz. If the regionals and shortlines can find it so can you. Screw Wall Street. I doubt if you intended to, but your equating the HK situation with Kristallnacht is offensive to Jewish folks and anyone opposing racist behavior. The HK situation is complex and bears little resemblance to how the dynamics were initially. It's more like Kent State, if demonstrations there had gone on and escalated for months. Only if the National Guard had continued on killing people for months.
Well said.
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I used Kristallnacht to get people's attention. Obviously it worked. I also think it's germaine to any situation where authorities perpetrate an injustice on those with very little capability to fight back.
I doubt anyone Jewish will be offended. If anything they might just empathise.
I'm so angered over this I can hardly type. You see, I know someone in Hong Kong. So do some others in the Forum family.
Yes some of us certainly do have a concern, and give our support to our Forum Member who is fighting the good fight. In a way they are fighting for all us all against tyranny. It is shameful that some corporations sell out to the almighty buck and ironically in the process are they themselves controlled by this tyranny.
Great things have small beginnings.
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo Flintlock76 With that quasi- Kristallnacht going on in Hong Kong quite honestly I really don't care if imports from China come to a screeching halt. I mean, I'd hate to see a peoples attempt to keep what freedoms they have quashed, and then to think I paid for it. Look for business elsewhere Mr. Fritz. If the regionals and shortlines can find it so can you. Screw Wall Street. I doubt if you intended to, but your equating the HK situation with Kristallnacht is offensive to Jewish folks and anyone opposing racist behavior. The HK situation is complex and bears little resemblance to how the dynamics were initially. It's more like Kent State, if demonstrations there had gone on and escalated for months. I used Kristallnacht to get people's attention. Obviously it worked. I also think it's germaine to any situation where authorities perpetrate an injustice on those with very little capability to fight back. I doubt anyone Jewish will be offended. If anything they might just empathise. I'm so angered over this I can hardly type. You see, I know someone in Hong Kong. So do some others in the Forum family.
I showed your remarks to several Jewish colleagues and friends. They found your invocation of the beginnings of the Holocaust to the sad events in HK to be very disturbing. One sympathetic person wondered if you were senile. Another thought you must be anti-Semitic. I let them know that you are a decent guy, cognitively unimpaired but enraged. All find such analogies trivialize the worst nightmare in history.
I also know two former students (Chinese) who live in HK and stay in frequent contact with me. They are familiar with the Chinese University in Hong Kong. They suggested that the situation is very complex and has deteriorated from what was initially occurring. One questions whether a core of anarchists has ascended into controlling the tactics.
Using inflammatory comments to get attention seems like a cheap tactic to divert attention from the severe real damage being done here by an oddball economist connected to the WH.
I appreciate your sticking up for me Charlie, to my mind what really trivializes one of the worst nightmares in history, as you so well put it, are inane remarks like, and we've all heard 'em...
"Clinton is Hitler!"
"Bush is Hitler!"
"Obama is Hitler!"
"Trump is Hitler!"
To my knowledge none of those men had any plans for taking people who's gene pool they disapproved of and stuffing them into gas chambers.
Idiotic remarks like the above are what really insults the memory of the Holocaust victims. And that's all I'm going to say.
This thread is about Mr. Fritz's whining, after all.
Flintlock76Idiotic remarks like the above are what really insults the memory of the Holocaust victims.
I think the point Charlie was trying to make, is that by equating events of a smaller scope with the holocaust, we run the risk of trivializing the grieving of those for whom it's become an significant part of their life.
I recall that comedian Jerry Seinfeld received similarly inspired hate male after airing the "Soup Nazi" episode.
Personally I didn't see anything wrong with your post, but then I'm not the kind of person that goes around seeking opportunities to claim offense.
As far as the subject of this thread goes, it comes as little surprise that someone who makes a good part of their paycheck by expediting non American made items to American markets would be less than enthusiastic about the so called "trade war". Perhaps that indicates that the plan is working?
Thank you C-O. I appreciate it.
Convicted One As far as the subject of this thread goes, it comes as little surprise that someone who makes a good part of their paycheck by expediting non American made items to American markets would be less than enthusiastic about the so called "trade war". Perhaps that indicates that the plan is working?
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Convicted OneI think the point Charlie was trying to make, is that by equating events of a smaller scope with the holocaust, we run the risk of trivializing the grieving of those for whom it's become an significant part of their life.
Kristallnacht was just one event. Certainly part of the overall horror that was the Holocaust, but not the Holocaust in and of itself.
So, too, are the happenings in Hong Kong. There are larger issues there, but what's going on in HK is just a part of it.
And that's where people are getting lost here - rather like saying one play was the entire football game.
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I think the most important point of this article is that Mr. Fritz says his company is experiencing fallout from the trade war. Yet we all were promised by twin inventors of this trade war that such fallout would not happen. Obviously the promise has been broken, and our economy is on a solid downward trajectory. It should have been obvious at the time the people made that promise that they were blowing smoke with their tin foil hat economics.
tree68 Convicted One I think the point Charlie was trying to make, is that by equating events of a smaller scope with the holocaust, we run the risk of trivializing the grieving of those for whom it's become an significant part of their life. Kristallnacht was just one event. Certainly part of the overall horror that was the Holocaust, but not the Holocaust in and of itself.
Convicted One I think the point Charlie was trying to make, is that by equating events of a smaller scope with the holocaust, we run the risk of trivializing the grieving of those for whom it's become an significant part of their life.
Perhaps you don't know the history very well? Kristallnacht, as I said, was the beginning of the Holocaust (Shoah). Thus not just one event but the beginning of the end for six million.
There were many other groups who were impacted by the Holocaust. Slavs, Gypsies, mentally handicapped, gay, etc. Yet, it has been co-opted by only one (although the major one) group.
Backshop There were many other groups who were impacted by the Holocaust. Slavs, Gypsies, mentally handicapped, gay, etc. Yet, it has been co-opted by only one (although the major one) group.
Add to your list members of the KPD and SPD, the first victim of the 3rd Reich, to be historically accurate. Also to be accurate, the term Holocaust was not appropriated by the Jewish victims. Their term is Shoah. Governments and historians applied the term to the six million Jews who died at the hands of the SS, Gestapo, etc. The dignity of those millions of other victims of the Nazis is not enhanced by misusing the term Holocaust. But your use of the derogatory term "co-opted" is a disgrace.
charlie hebdoPerhaps you don't know the history very well? Kristallnacht, as I said, was the beginning of the Holocaust (Shoah). Thus not just one event but the beginning of the end for six million.
But it was still one event. It ended. Shoah/Holocaust may have just begun, but that's not the point.
charlie hebdo Perhaps you don't know the history very well? Kristallnacht, as I said, was the beginning of the Holocaust (Shoah). Thus not just one event but the beginning of the end for six million.
A former co-worker had left a bunch of magazines that her late aunt had held onto, including Readers Digests from the 1930's. One issue from late 1933 or early 1934 had an article on the concentration camps (those were the exact words used in the article). At that time, the camps were primarily for political prisoners but the author pointed out that Jews were treated more harshly than others.
Bear in mind this about the same time that Walter Duranty was busy denying reports of the Holomodor.
As for China, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Uighurs.
When the Brits gave up Hong Kong they negotiated an "autonomous region" time of 50 years to 2047. After that, the Chinese Government can absorb Hong Kong in to China.
Even if the current group somehow wins now, long term Hong Kong will be assimilated by the Communist Chinese borg. Why the Brits ever gave up their perpetual lease may never be completely understood.
People in Hong Kong probably need to get out while they can before the PRA rolls over the border.
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Erik_Mag charlie hebdo Perhaps you don't know the history very well? Kristallnacht, as I said, was the beginning of the Holocaust (Shoah). Thus not just one event but the beginning of the end for six million. A former co-worker had left a bunch of magazines that her late aunt had held onto, including Readers Digests from the 1930's. One issue from late 1933 or early 1934 had an article on the concentration camps (those were the exact words used in the article). At that time, the camps were primarily for political prisoners but the author pointed out that Jews were treated more harshly than others. Bear in mind this about the same time that Walter Duranty was busy denying reports of the Holomodor. As for China, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Uighurs.
I'm glad you did. Our current leader and Sec.of State haven't said a word of support for the brutalized (for years) Uyghur. Nor for HK.
Perhaps the equivalent of BDS should organized and be directed at China. Trouble is most Chinese citizens don't know anything about the Uyghurs in Xingjiang beyond some terrorist incidents.
Nice reference to Duranty, Stalin's apologist.
I'm including this interview because I think that Gingrich is providing us a true service. We've got to have our eyes wide open to what we're up against regarding China. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j2vk72wpobA
kgbw49 Why the Brits ever gave up their perpetual lease may never be completely understood.
Backshop, very good point. It is a slow motion tragedy, whether now or in 2047.
charlie hebdoAdd to your list members of the KPD and SPD, the first victim of the 3rd Reich
Popular viewpoint among the Left and one might say revisionist history but not completely true. The left feels a reel need to absolve itself of any past human calamity in order to appear more perfect in decision making of today, which I find humorous but they manage to net people in this way as well.
Back to facts, it was the KPD - Kommunist Party Deutschland that started the street battles with their attempt at a Communist Revolution in Munich and attempting to form a Munich Soviet Socialist Republic that egged on the Nazi's to later follow suit with the beer hall putch. The KPD wanted to convince Germans that this new concept of Democracy was a failure and that Communism was the new direction they should choose from their turn away from Monarchy.
Beer Hall Putches and Street Battles were not an original idea of the Nazi's it was borrowed after they saw how weak the response was to the attempted Communist Revolution which the far left of the SPD also supported (1918 ish). If the SPD was more moderate at the time (1930's) it could have formed a parlimentary alliance with some of the right of center parties and blocked the rise of the Nazi party. It was not so moderate and the Nazi's took full advantage of that and the Center Right parties turned away from anything to do with the SPD.
While it is true that later the KPD and SPD came under the heel of the Nazis both parties assisted in the rise of the Nazi's as well as the ascent of Hitler. Not mentioned of course by the Left in this country is also many of the Center Right and Far right competing parties to the Nazis had a choice die or get folded into the Nazi Party, most choose to die and shared the same fate as KPD and SPD. Exception being the religious based parties close to Catholicism and Luthereanism, Hitler stayed away from taking on religion head on as too confrontational, it was planned for later. No single German party or German person really can be absolved of the blame in Nazi Germany and that was a part of the evil of Adolph Hitler......he involved everyone he hated in his plans and everyone he hated cooperated with him enough to help him achieve Chancellorship. Even prominent Homosexuals like Ernst Rohm helped than later became victims.
The German government of today hails the "resistance" to the Hitler regime. Which was almost zero until it became obvious Germany was headed for defeat in World War II. While Hitler was ascending to power, everyone had their own personal self interest or political interest and could be co-opted with a false promise of having Hitler's ear. Everyone in Germany was compromised during that time frame. Folks should listen to the so called "resistance" family members including Erwin Rommel's Son who later became Mayor of Stuttgart, West Germany. He was wearing a Nazi military uniform (though one would argue not a Nazi Party uniform) when his Father Erwin Rommel was led away and forced into a suicide pact for being alleged to have participated in the plot against Hitler. Members of that plot were not all necessarily interested in restoring Democracy, they wanted to prevent Germany from being totally destroyed and wanted to preserve life as well as prevent the Communists from the East from taking any part of Germany.
Firelock, I agree basically with your sentiments about Hong Kong, but at the same time, it is not the same as Kristalnacht. The issues are different. It is a unique kind of protest and demonstration. A genocide, which is what Hitler eventually attempted, or at least an ethnic cleansing, which some claim was what the original intention was, until "free" nations made it clear they would not wholesale accept Jewish refugees and the British closed the doors of the Holy Land to try to buy the loyalty of Arabs already influenced by Mufti Haaj Al Husseini's huge distortioh of the Koran's meaning and Islam in general. These are not the issues, thank the Eternal, in Hong Kong. The Chinese, as brutal as they are, do not stuff human beings in closed boxcars with lime on the floor to insure they are dead on arrival or burn alive people locked up in wood synagogues.
Overmod, as much as I respect you, Kristalnacht was not an isolated incident, but part of persecution that began as soon as Hitler took power in 1933 and Nazis got freedom to genrally rob Jews with impunity, got "legal" status with the Nuremburg Laws of 1934 that deprived Jews of livelyhood in many professions and restricted education and travel, and continued after Kristalnacht to deportations, gassing, other forms of murder and outright torture.
But, again, my deep sympathies are with the Hong Kong protesters, as they are with Yadzis and Kurds and many, many Near-eastern Christian communities who do not have the Israeli police and armed forces to protect them from the terror resulting from the distortion of Islam widely current today.
A country with true Islam is Izerbajan. Morroco comes very close, even without diplomatic relations with Israel. Before the Mufti, 1923 or 1926, Islam was a relatively tolerant religion.
Communist atheism is certainly not tolerant. Jews and some Christian visitiors are allowed to practice our religions clearly because China desires to learn from our technology and even our cultural advances, such as classical music. Whether this can develop into continued long-term tolerance is an open question.
You are mixing facts with your ideological views. After you write a thesis as a history major, get back to us. The first inmates in Dachau were political prisoners from the SPD and KPD. The three parties all had street fighters in the 20s and 30s. Listen to the lyrics of the Horst Wessel Lied. Facts, not interpretation.
Flintlock76 Thank you C-O. I appreciate it.
I agree with your point as well. Fritz won't be sending any of his relatives off to any future war with China, you can be sure of that. Thank God, folks are starting to listen carefully to what this opponent of the United States says privately and look back to a long trail of capitualtions to the Chinese and say "Enough of this!".
We the People are the economy and government of the United States and I don't feel personally damaged yet by standing up to the Chinese, BS and bullying. I don't expect to ever feel much damage as the Chinese trade can be 100% replaced via another developing country without much disruption to our economy. The same cannot be stated by the Chinese in response to the goods we export to it.
BTW, Bi-Partisan issue, Sen Charles Shumer (D-NY) supports what President Trump is doing with attempting to get fair trade with China and has stated as much publicly.
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