45 weeks of decreasing traffic levels - yep the economy is booming [/sarcasm]
https://www.railwayage.com/freight/class-i/aar-45-straight-weeks-of-u-s-traffic-downturn/
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Psychot Euclid Overmod Euclid The only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated. What this all means is that the widely announced grievance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing. That's pretty dumb. The actual discussion isn't about 'patent rights', it's about technology transfer demanded by China as part of 'joint ventures' with American companies -- Boeing being a particular case in point that I have firsthand knowledge about. I have no hesitation whatsoever in affirming that measures taken to reduce or eliminate China's ability to -- steal isn't too harsh a word for it -- intellectual property wouldn't be wasted effort. You could argue that it's good old misguided American greed that induces companies to 'agree' to give up the knowledge and trade secrets. In many, perhaps most cases that's been true. But that doesn't justify the practice or make it otherwise unthinkable for us to use American state authority to 'induce' China to change it as one of their standards. It's about both; stealing intellectual property because their manufacturing gives them access to it, and forcing U.S. manufacturers to give China the rights to it as a condition of doing business with them. The latter is one of the costs of doing business with them. I don't see why it would be illegal. I certainly see no connection to "American greed" as you mention. Of course it's every nation's sovereign right to require intellectual property transfers as a condition for doing business on their territory, just as it's every nation's sovereign right to impose tariffs. However, in international trade and commerce, it's also desirable to strive for a level playing field where the same conditions apply to both sides. The means to that end is where I part ways with the current administration. Tariffs will likely not solve the underlying issues and simply serve to raise costs for everyone.
Euclid Overmod Euclid The only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated. What this all means is that the widely announced grievance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing. That's pretty dumb. The actual discussion isn't about 'patent rights', it's about technology transfer demanded by China as part of 'joint ventures' with American companies -- Boeing being a particular case in point that I have firsthand knowledge about. I have no hesitation whatsoever in affirming that measures taken to reduce or eliminate China's ability to -- steal isn't too harsh a word for it -- intellectual property wouldn't be wasted effort. You could argue that it's good old misguided American greed that induces companies to 'agree' to give up the knowledge and trade secrets. In many, perhaps most cases that's been true. But that doesn't justify the practice or make it otherwise unthinkable for us to use American state authority to 'induce' China to change it as one of their standards. It's about both; stealing intellectual property because their manufacturing gives them access to it, and forcing U.S. manufacturers to give China the rights to it as a condition of doing business with them. The latter is one of the costs of doing business with them. I don't see why it would be illegal. I certainly see no connection to "American greed" as you mention.
Overmod Euclid The only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated. What this all means is that the widely announced grievance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing. That's pretty dumb. The actual discussion isn't about 'patent rights', it's about technology transfer demanded by China as part of 'joint ventures' with American companies -- Boeing being a particular case in point that I have firsthand knowledge about. I have no hesitation whatsoever in affirming that measures taken to reduce or eliminate China's ability to -- steal isn't too harsh a word for it -- intellectual property wouldn't be wasted effort. You could argue that it's good old misguided American greed that induces companies to 'agree' to give up the knowledge and trade secrets. In many, perhaps most cases that's been true. But that doesn't justify the practice or make it otherwise unthinkable for us to use American state authority to 'induce' China to change it as one of their standards.
Euclid The only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated. What this all means is that the widely announced grievance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing.
That's pretty dumb. The actual discussion isn't about 'patent rights', it's about technology transfer demanded by China as part of 'joint ventures' with American companies -- Boeing being a particular case in point that I have firsthand knowledge about.
I have no hesitation whatsoever in affirming that measures taken to reduce or eliminate China's ability to -- steal isn't too harsh a word for it -- intellectual property wouldn't be wasted effort.
You could argue that it's good old misguided American greed that induces companies to 'agree' to give up the knowledge and trade secrets. In many, perhaps most cases that's been true. But that doesn't justify the practice or make it otherwise unthinkable for us to use American state authority to 'induce' China to change it as one of their standards.
It's about both; stealing intellectual property because their manufacturing gives them access to it, and forcing U.S. manufacturers to give China the rights to it as a condition of doing business with them.
The latter is one of the costs of doing business with them. I don't see why it would be illegal. I certainly see no connection to "American greed" as you mention.
Of course it's every nation's sovereign right to require intellectual property transfers as a condition for doing business on their territory, just as it's every nation's sovereign right to impose tariffs. However, in international trade and commerce, it's also desirable to strive for a level playing field where the same conditions apply to both sides.
The means to that end is where I part ways with the current administration. Tariffs will likely not solve the underlying issues and simply serve to raise costs for everyone.
I agree. A basic assumption of our trade policy is that China stole all of our jobs that moved from here to there. One of the stated goals of the new tariffs is to bring back all of those stolen jobs.
So once we accomplish that goal, all of those retured jobs will be providing employment here; however all of the products they produce will be sold here at a much higher cost than when they were made in China.
So it is hard to say how that will play out. It will be up to our manufacturing sector to suddenly automate and innovate enough to keep the returning product price surge low enough to maintain sales to our consumers.
There will be immense pressure for all those returned jobs to be re-outsourced to other foreign, low cost producers. Of course this will once again be seen as them stealing our jobs since it will be a repete of history. So we will need new laws that prohibit offshoring of manufacturing. Then the whole problem will be solved and life will be good in the U.S.
zardoz Euclid This is not a match where one side loses and the other side wins. But that is the way it is being cheered on. Yeah, if all one watches is Fox 'news', one might begin to believe it. Euclid No matter how you divide the world into individual economies, they are all connected. Now if we could only get elected officials to realize this, and put the good of the world ahead of personal greed.
Euclid This is not a match where one side loses and the other side wins. But that is the way it is being cheered on.
Yeah, if all one watches is Fox 'news', one might begin to believe it.
Euclid No matter how you divide the world into individual economies, they are all connected.
Now if we could only get elected officials to realize this, and put the good of the world ahead of personal greed.
The elected officials in charge of this trade policy definitely see it as a match where we win and China loses. They assure us that we cannot possibly be hurt. Yeah right. Why worry? It might only be another lost decade.
EuclidThis is not a match where one side loses and the other side wins. But that is the way it is being cheered on.
EuclidNo matter how you divide the world into individual economies, they are all connected.
EuclidThe only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated. What this all means is that the widely announced grievance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing.
Shadow the Cats ownerWell guess who BLINKED first and it wasn't the USA in the trade War. China just folded and from what my husband was told by his classmates in China they folded HARD. They are agreeing to 100 precent of all our demands in the new trade deal. No required IT Property transfers required anymore. All Patents will be protected going forward no tariffs on US made goods going into China. No restrictions on US Businesses opening in China. All Tariffs on US Ag products removed.
This is not a match where one side loses and the other side wins. But that is the way it is being cheered on. No matter how you divide the world into individual economies, they are all connected. Together, they tend to rise on confidence, and fall on worry. Both confidence and worry are about risk.
Patents will be protected going forward? By who? Anyone who understands patents knows that when you get one, it just sits there. Then if your product takes off, everyone in the world infringes on it. At that point, your only option is to take it to court. You cannot just call the government patent office, report that somebody has stolen your patent, and expect them to get justice for you. No, your only recourse is to take it to court at your expense.
Once in court, you argure all of the technical points about whether your idea has been stolen or not. The outcome of this will depend on peoples' moods as much as objective mechanics of your patent. The ownership of ideas is guided to a large extent by smoke and mirrors. And the Patent Office has no skin in the game. The patent they grant you is only an opinion of the novelty of your invention. Anybody can challenge it in court and possibly defeat the claims of your patent.
So people say China is infringing on their patent. Just by the nature of a patent, the assertion of infringment is nothing more than an opinion until it is validated by a court ruling.
So complaining about people stealing your intellectual propterty is like complaining about the weather. Also, businesses complain about people infringing on their patents in order to advertise the idea that they are a strong creator of innovation and new thinking.
The only issue about China is that they have no court system to bring a case angainst their people for infringing on your patent. So you have no remedy. But with China offering no legal remedy for infringement, there is no way for a charge of infringement to be validated.
What this all means is that the widely announced greivance that China is stealing everyone's intellectual property is an an airy nothing.
While we're on the subject of music videos for Big Girls, whether or not we call them after boys, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8q7KjgvXvQ
For those of us who find Wootten fireboxes a bit callipygean?
All in the cause of keeping our freight from slumping.
BaltACDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAgVFlupEZs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/treasuries-yields-lower-ahead-expected-145103957.html
World recession coming.. Expect freight to slump for some years it seems..
Paul_D_North_JrOvermod, perhaps you'll have some comments on that last webpage?)
Only to note that, as with similar Web pages on the 'fastest steam locomotive' or 'first locomotive to reach 100mph' there really isn't that much point, except for fanboi argument, in asking the question that way in the first place. In a sense it's not really different from assessing 'fairness in elections' when reading about the Arrow Impossibility Theorem: the answer you get depends on the initial conditions you specify much more than some objective measure founded in natural law or whatever.
The 'better' question to ask is the technical ability of the designs themselves to produce stated or agreed performance, and even there you find that the 'theoretical' test train or service will affect a ranking of results most of the time.
I'm far less concerned with 'best' than with 'well-designed' ... or the historical accidents that made head-to-head contests impossible or unlikely. Were a "Big Boy" with the same basic engine design (68" with given cylinder dimensions) given a deep firebox comparable to an Allegheny, the argument could be made that higher output would be observable under a wide range of circumstances; a further relatively slight redesign to 'use the available steam generation' more effectively (probably by increasing the stroke and using lighter rodwork to compensate) would have easily produced nominal (and likely achievable!) peak hp on dynamometric test well in excess not only of an Allegheny's but of a Q2's as well. The water rate on such a thing, of course, would reduce it to little more than an operational curiosity ... but it would certainly "win" more votes in a 'biggest' competition. (See also Chapelon's proposal to rebuild a Big Boy according to his 'best practices' in these regards.)
I fall back, as I usually do, to that sage deduction by the WOPR.
Paul_D_North_Jr zugmann The Galaxy Railways is an anime about space railraods. Featured a big boy engine that was well-drawn. I couldn't get into it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Galaxy_Railways From that article: "The Sirius Platoon's train is headed up by a steam locomotive dubbed Big One.[2] The locomotive itself is based on the Union Pacific Big Boy steam trains (4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement) that were built by the American Locomotive Co. of Schenectady, New York, and are widely considered to be the largest steam trains ever built (although this is incorrect)[3]. The Sirius Platoon is the primary focus of the Galaxy Railways, though the Spica and Vega platoons also make appearances and become more involved towards the end of the series." Fn3 about the "largest steam train" leads to this, which is actually quite informative (assuming it's all correct): http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/largest.php (Work with me, people - I'm doing my best here, but can't do it all by myself to keep this on topic! Overmod, perhaps you'll have some comments on that last webpage?) - PDN.
zugmann The Galaxy Railways is an anime about space railraods. Featured a big boy engine that was well-drawn. I couldn't get into it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Galaxy_Railways
From that article: "The Sirius Platoon's train is headed up by a steam locomotive dubbed Big One.[2] The locomotive itself is based on the Union Pacific Big Boy steam trains (4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement) that were built by the American Locomotive Co. of Schenectady, New York, and are widely considered to be the largest steam trains ever built (although this is incorrect)[3]. The Sirius Platoon is the primary focus of the Galaxy Railways, though the Spica and Vega platoons also make appearances and become more involved towards the end of the series."
Fn3 about the "largest steam train" leads to this, which is actually quite informative (assuming it's all correct): http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/largest.php
(Work with me, people - I'm doing my best here, but can't do it all by myself to keep this on topic! Overmod, perhaps you'll have some comments on that last webpage?)
- PDN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAgVFlupEZs
zugmannThe Galaxy Railways is an anime about space railraods. Featured a big boy engine that was well-drawn. I couldn't get into it.
CMStPnPThe sales pitch of Indian firms was hire 1 Indian locally and you get 5 back in India to assist him. Employers in the United States started to upgrade Indian college degrees to be equal to U.S. College degrees when in fact they lagged behind quite a bit. So they even softened the College Degree requirement substantially in some cases to get the cheaper labor.
EuclidMoney is created by human effort. There is more money every day. Each person creates their own money and gets to keep it.
charlie hebdo Call me a cynic, but I doubt if the trucking hubby's classmates in China have access to internal PRC government documents. Anonymous sources are not necessarily accurate.
Call me a cynic, but I doubt if the trucking hubby's classmates in China have access to internal PRC government documents. Anonymous sources are not necessarily accurate.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
I would not conclude that this trade dispute has been settled. The stakes are very high, and there is no doubt, a lot of pressure on the leaders of both countries to claim success for the sake of their popularity at home. What is claimed to have been agreed to falls miles short of Navarro's goals. This could turn out like claiming that a threat of tariffs against Mexico scared them into fixing the immigration problem.
Shadow the Cats owner Well guess who BLINKED first and it wasn't the USA in the trade War. China just folded and from what my husband was told by his classmates in China they folded HARD. They are agreeing to 100 precent of all our demands in the new trade deal. No required IT Property transfers required anymore. All Patents will be protected going forward no tariffs on US made goods going into China. No restrictions on US Businesses opening in China. All Tariffs on US Ag products removed. Why in the last quarter China's own economy shrank 30 PERCENT from the loss of trade with the USA from the Tariffs we slapped them with. China is also scrambling to come up with enough food to feed their nation for this winter they already bought all the surplus grain on the market that was not US based and are still an estimated 200 Million Tons short for just getting thru this winter. This new deal is to be signed in Chile at the next meeting between world leaders where Xi and Trump are to be there November 17th.
Well guess who BLINKED first and it wasn't the USA in the trade War. China just folded and from what my husband was told by his classmates in China they folded HARD. They are agreeing to 100 precent of all our demands in the new trade deal. No required IT Property transfers required anymore. All Patents will be protected going forward no tariffs on US made goods going into China. No restrictions on US Businesses opening in China. All Tariffs on US Ag products removed.
Why in the last quarter China's own economy shrank 30 PERCENT from the loss of trade with the USA from the Tariffs we slapped them with. China is also scrambling to come up with enough food to feed their nation for this winter they already bought all the surplus grain on the market that was not US based and are still an estimated 200 Million Tons short for just getting thru this winter.
This new deal is to be signed in Chile at the next meeting between world leaders where Xi and Trump are to be there November 17th.
Unfortunately, there's no mention of the salient structural issue: hidden subsidies for state-owned enterprises, an issue on which China isn't going to budge. Another sticking point is that China is insisting that all punitive tariffs be stopped as part of the first phase deal, whereas the U.S. administration doesn't want to do that. So we're not quite there yet.
I also have serious doubts that China is suddenly going to stop demanding intellectual property transfers.
When I referred to outsourcing starting after 2000, I should have called it offshoring. As for the date, I only offer it as a signficant marker along the path. I am referring to 2001 when China joined the WTO. Here is an interesting article about that and the suggestion that the 2001 date marks the beginning of our current trade confrontation with China:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-trump-trade-united-states/567526/
BaltACD CMStPnP BaltACD Outsourcing began well before 2000. For Information Technology it started around Y2k, Clinton opened the flood gates to India in exchange for who knows what in $$$. Thats when raises and promotions started to really lag because they now had a never ending supply of IT workers. Then the mass outsourcing of IT to Banglagore started. The sales pitch of Indian firms was hire 1 Indian locally and you get 5 back in India to assist him. Employers in the United States started to upgrade Indian college degrees to be equal to U.S. College degrees when in fact they lagged behind quite a bit. So they even softened the College Degree requirement substantially in some cases to get the cheaper labor. I use it as a marker now, if a firm has outsourced it's IT department in whole or in part to India then it's not worthy of me working there because their pay or benefits will be fairly bad. It's worked out pretty well as a marker. The Rust Belt was created well before 2000 as heavy industry was outsourced to other 'cheaper' countries. In the 1990's the worry was that Japan would would own all the US means of production - then Japan had their own financial issues and divested themselves of much that they had bought.
CMStPnP BaltACD Outsourcing began well before 2000. For Information Technology it started around Y2k, Clinton opened the flood gates to India in exchange for who knows what in $$$. Thats when raises and promotions started to really lag because they now had a never ending supply of IT workers. Then the mass outsourcing of IT to Banglagore started. The sales pitch of Indian firms was hire 1 Indian locally and you get 5 back in India to assist him. Employers in the United States started to upgrade Indian college degrees to be equal to U.S. College degrees when in fact they lagged behind quite a bit. So they even softened the College Degree requirement substantially in some cases to get the cheaper labor. I use it as a marker now, if a firm has outsourced it's IT department in whole or in part to India then it's not worthy of me working there because their pay or benefits will be fairly bad. It's worked out pretty well as a marker.
BaltACD Outsourcing began well before 2000.
For Information Technology it started around Y2k, Clinton opened the flood gates to India in exchange for who knows what in $$$. Thats when raises and promotions started to really lag because they now had a never ending supply of IT workers. Then the mass outsourcing of IT to Banglagore started. The sales pitch of Indian firms was hire 1 Indian locally and you get 5 back in India to assist him. Employers in the United States started to upgrade Indian college degrees to be equal to U.S. College degrees when in fact they lagged behind quite a bit. So they even softened the College Degree requirement substantially in some cases to get the cheaper labor. I use it as a marker now, if a firm has outsourced it's IT department in whole or in part to India then it's not worthy of me working there because their pay or benefits will be fairly bad. It's worked out pretty well as a marker.
The Rust Belt was created well before 2000 as heavy industry was outsourced to other 'cheaper' countries. In the 1990's the worry was that Japan would would own all the US means of production - then Japan had their own financial issues and divested themselves of much that they had bought.
True. Even in the mid-1980s in Michigan, there was a lot of anti-Japanese feeling. Why? Detroit was still churning out junk while Japan was taking a sizable market share with better-made autos.
BaltACDOutsourcing began well before 2000.
Shadow the Cats ownerChina just folded and from what my husband was told by his classmates in China they folded HARD. They are agreeing to 100 precent of all our demands in the new trade deal.
Time will tell. However, recent past occupants of the oval office have indicated to me that all China has to do is bribe someone with a large donation or graft type job and they get special favors via the White House. We'll see if Congress actually does any oversight on this issue or looks away like they did in the past.
daveklepper I think he is intelligent and does not agree with "the architect," and is poking fun. Am I right, Euclid? We all know who "The Architect" in this case is.
I think he is intelligent and does not agree with "the architect," and is poking fun. Am I right, Euclid? We all know who "The Architect" in this case is.
By “architect,” I am referring to Peter Kent Navarro, an American economist who currently serves as the Assistant to the President, and Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. He alone is the source of the premise that the U.S. consumers will not have to pay any of the cost of our tariffs on our Chinese imports. Mr. Navarro does have a boss and he apparently shares the same beliefs on this matter as Mr. Navarro.
In my opinion, Mr. Navarro holds incredibly radical views on what he considers to be the evils of China which he has developed over several years of study and writing. It seems to be a personal vendetta with him. Now, he has been empowered to finally put his radical views into practice, and he vows to reverse the entire outsourcing movement and bring back all of our lost jobs.
So consider his zeal to take this action, and consider that the only impediment might be that the action will hurt us besides hurting China. The public might object to this crusade if they thought it would hurt us. In my opinion, this explains why Mr. Navarro is assuring us that the tariffs will no impose any added cost to Chinese imports purchased by the American people. He says the tariffs are a direct tax on China. That is economically absurd. We don’t have the power to tax China. What we are doing is levying import tariffs. They do hurt China by slowing down our demand for their imports to us. But to accomplish this, the tariffs cause price increases on products we buy from China. And that hurts us by reducing the spending power of U.S. citizens.
Shadow the Cats ownerThis new deal is to be signed in Chile at the next meeting between world leaders where Xi and Trump are to be there November 17th.
I believe I just read that Chile isn't going to host that conference now...
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