Hope Amtraks pet policy is better thought out than this one was......
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/delta-is-tightening-rules-about-flying-with-emotional-support-animals/vp-AAuWaKJ
Interesting you bring this up right after I was reading Brightline's policies on emotional-support animals. (Which, if I read them correctly, says you can travel with your cat reasonably next to you, not in a carrier, if you have the right kind of 'doctor's note')
How long this apparently-generous policy will survive the first activist allergy/ailurophobe challenge in court will remain to be seen. But I applaud Brightline's management for developing and providing their policy.
I want a Klingon targ as my support animal.
RS
I want a Klingon!
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Semper Vaporo I want a Klingon!
Stop using toilet paper.
Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine.
If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support!
Semper Vaporo If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support!
A little bite on the cheek for old times sake?
Randy Stahl I want a Klingon targ as my support animal. RS
Norm
How many do you have? I'm thinking they'll draw the line at one.
Still in training.
Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine.
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Overmod How long this apparently-generous policy will survive the first activist allergy/ailurophobe challenge in court will remain to be seen.
How long this apparently-generous policy will survive the first activist allergy/ailurophobe challenge in court will remain to be seen.
Having a son with severe dog allergies, I can well understand the feelings behind the "acitivist allergy" types. For Brightline, a reasonable compromise could be setting aside a "no animals allowed" car per train.
One other difference between Brightline and an airliner is that medical help would only be a few minutes away in case of a severe allergic reaction. Another difference is that the recirculated air is contained to one car versus the whole, hence the "no animals" car suggestion in the previous paragraph.
The main reason behind Delta's new policy has been the incidents with either untrained or poorly trained emotional support animals excreting in flight or worse yet, biting another passenger (maybe require proof of insurance for emotional support animals?). I suspect a biting incident was what lead to a local restaurant putting up a sign prohibiting animals.
erikemThe main reason behind Delta's new policy has been the incidents with either untrained or poorly trained emotional support animals excreting in flight or worse yet, biting another passenger (maybe require proof of insurance for emotional support animals?). I suspect a biting incident was what lead to a local restaurant putting up a sign prohibiting animals.
I totally get need for service dogs that actually provide a service.
What seems to be a problem these days is the little old lady with the teacup poodle who now insists that it's a service dog.
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tree68What seems to be a problem these days is the little old lady with the teacup poodle who now insists that it's a service dog.
Actually, I saw a young lady in a dr's office that had a nice looking bigger dog - she told someone she needed him for balance. He sort, kinda seemed to lean against her.
I looked at my cane and thought, well that would be quite a trade off. And if a dog that size leaned against me, he would have to know how to pick me up, too.
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Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes?
If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train?
We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away.
She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time......
I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale.
One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog.
The nerve of some people......
Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary.........
There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it.
Sheldon
Where I now live, several people bring dogs in--some for residents to pet, some apparently to visit particular residents. There is one dog brought in for anybody to pet (which I have not seen for some time) which, I fear has not had a bath in a year; you do not have to see him to know that he is in the room.
A few of the residents keep dogs or cats in their rooms; such residents are responsible for the entire upkeep of their pets.
Johnny
Amtrak and pets.
https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/carry-on-pets.html
Jeff
Note their definition of 'Service animal' and the difference to 'Comfort animal'.
https://www.amtrak.com/planning-booking/accessible-travel-services/service-animals.html
First thing that comes to mind with "service animal" is a seeing eye dog, which have a very specific purpose and typically have had extensive trining in both providing a service and not being an annoyance. I also noted that Amtrak requires pet owners to sign an indemnification agreement.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes? If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train? We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away. She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time...... I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale. One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog. The nerve of some people...... Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary......... There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it. Sheldon
I do not wish to start an argument with Sheldon(Atlantic Central),
BUT, There are differences between PETS and SERVICE ANIMALS: Those differences are spelled out in Federal Regulations, primarily, under the Americans with Disibilities Act. ADA which is administerd by the D.O.J., and its Civil Rights Div.
A coupe of time a week I get to deal with a few of these issues at our local VA Hospital. Service Animals are part and parcel to some of my duties at that facility.
This is a link to a pamphlet on the ADA WEBSITE @ https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm [It is currently posted there, but is dated as of 2011.]
This link is to a 9 page PDF that describes frequently askede questions ref: Service Animals @ https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf
Here is another linked site from the ADA National Network : I goes into definitions and explanations about SERVICE DOGS and THERAPY DOGS @
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet
This following Section from the last linked site explains,somewhat: THERAPY DOGS: III. Other Support or Therapy Animals
"...While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning..."
Basicly, Animals will be a part of live in public setting for some time to come, since their have been inclucated by Federal Laws and Rulemaking into those positions.
I'm tired of seeing tiny dogs in fast food restaurants and riding around in supermarket baskets under the guise of "service animals." It's a slap in the face to those who legitimately need a service animal.
John Timm
samfp1943 ATLANTIC CENTRAL Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes? If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train? We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away. She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time...... I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale. One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog. The nerve of some people...... Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary......... There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it. Sheldon I do not wish to start an argument with Sheldon(Atlantic Central), BUT, There are differences between PETS and SERVICE ANIMALS: Those differences are spelled out in Federal Regulations, primarily, under the Americans with Disibilities Act. ADA which is administerd by the D.O.J., and its Civil Rights Div. A coupe of time a week I get to deal with a few of these issues at our local VA Hospital. Service Animals are part and parcel to some of my duties at that facility. This is a link to a pamphlet on the ADA WEBSITE @ https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm [It is currently posted there, but is dated as of 2011.] This link is to a 9 page PDF that describes frequently askede questions ref: Service Animals @ https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf Here is another linked site from the ADA National Network : I goes into definitions and explanations about SERVICE DOGS and THERAPY DOGS @ https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet This following Section from the last linked site explains,somewhat: THERAPY DOGS: III. Other Support or Therapy Animals "...While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning..." Basicly, Animals will be a part of live in public setting for some time to come, since their have been inclucated by Federal Laws and Rulemaking into those positions.
Sam,
I have no issues and no problem with true service animals.
The problem is the attempt to blur that line.......... and a "general" attidude by many pet owners that "I would be a better person if I imbrace their pet" - again, no thank you.
It is interesting how the "door" of tolerance only swings one way? I should tollerate your pet in public places, but you don't have tolerate my desire to not be effected by them?
After a number of bad experiances with dogs as a child/teen, it took me many years to become "dog neutral".
We have a pet, we keep her at home where she belongs.
Not an agrument, just making my position clear.
My wife is a retired mental health professional, and she would tell you that it is possible to be too invested in your pet, and that it can be metally unhealthy indicating other personal problems.
If you have to drag the lap dog everywhere you go, and drive your car with him in your lap (very unsafe in my view), that might be you?
sam, I don't think Sheldon is including seeing eye dogs and others in his rant.
I agree though that purse pets are just dumb.
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Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC.
Last year when we went on Amtrak, our cat spent the week at a local pet boarding establishment, the Howl-A-Day Inn.
Jeff, don't be cruel.
jeffhergert Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine. Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC.
Will the chicken then need it's own emotional support animal?
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SD70Dude jeffhergert Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine. Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC. Will the chicken then need it's own emotional support animal?
Or honey mustard dipping sauce ?
ATLANTIC CENTRAL[Sheldon] wrote the following post[in part,earlier]:
Thanks for your response Sheldon (Atlantic Central)!
Firstly: I am very much in agreement with your position,as a dog/cat owner myself. I was just nbot wanting to start a donney-brook, on what is a timely, and somewhat sensitive subject. The central problem, I seem to come face-to-face with, is the public's lack of a complete definition, and understanding of the place and roles of Service Animal vs. a Therapy Animal.
This linked site is NOT a governmet sponsored site, but one provided by an advocacy group:[linked]@ https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet
It seems that many'handlers/patients' that require Service Dogs; because of the amount of training they are required to preform; as their animal is trained for its specific duties, are very well aware of their 'boundaries and rules" and make every effort to comply.
The 'gray area' seems to lay in the area of 'Therapy Animals'. These animals seem to have no requierment for any specific function other than they have a 'calming effect' on a specifi handler[ and possibly, eve a letter from a professional(?). Such a broad specification of its duties tends to cast a 'big tent', and opens definitions to more individual interpretations. The only requirement seems to be the provision wherein that Therapy Animal handler is to have documentation as to the vaccination status of their animal. Beyone that, there is not much that is open to questioning the handler on.
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