Erikem, so far as I know, Pepe le Pew was well mannered and never seriously upset. You are on the right track.
Johnny
erikemJohnny, by any chance is your kitty's name Pepe Le Pew???
No, it would likely be something French, like Penelope or Fabrette -- remember "le mew"?
And it would depend upon someone else on the train having the emotional support 'mouffette', and (heavily) upon what excuse there was for getting the right, or rather as things turn out wrong, sort of white stripe on the kitty...
"Fur and fury at 40,000 feet" sounds like more of a Taz cartoon title.
samfp1943 To broaden out this discussion on Service and Therapy dogs flying; here is a linked article @ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2018/01/22/fur-and-fury-at-40000-feet-as-more-people-bring-animals-on-planes/?utm_term=.bbf9b1fd943b An article from the Washington Post :"Fur and fury at 40,000 feet as more people bring animals on planes" by by Karin Brulliard It presents the side of the argument from the Airlines, as they seek to comply with ADA Federal rulemaking and regulations.
To broaden out this discussion on Service and Therapy dogs flying; here is a linked article @ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2018/01/22/fur-and-fury-at-40000-feet-as-more-people-bring-animals-on-planes/?utm_term=.bbf9b1fd943b
An article from the Washington Post :"Fur and fury at 40,000 feet as more people bring animals on planes" by by Karin Brulliard
It presents the side of the argument from the Airlines, as they seek to comply with ADA Federal rulemaking and regulations.
The article noted that the airlines were bound by the Air Carrier Access act of 1986, whereas Amtrak is bound by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1991. ADA has a much stricter deifinition for service animal than the ACA regulations. Amtrak's note on the transport of ADA compliant service animals states that Amtrak reserves the right to remove service animals for defecating on the train, biting and other such misbehaviors - legal under the ADA as it is no longer a reasonable accomodation.
The article aso mentioned that people who were allergic to animals also had rights under the ADA which conflicts with the ACA.
Johnny, by any chance is your kitty's name Pepe Le Pew???
And, if I bring my black kittty which has white stripes? (The mention of porcupines suggested this to me.)
My support was with me for almost forty years. However, since Amtrak did not have support fares then, I had to pay the same for her as what I paid for me so she could travel with me; at least I did not have to more for her to occupy the space with me (though, for several trips there was no space designation on her space ticket; it was only for the last few trips that it was shown that she was to occupy the same space with me); despite that, we always occupied the same space.
Semper Vaporo JPS1 Semper Vaporo If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support! Assuming you mean woman as opposed to women, she may not be so supportive when she finds out that she has to fit under the seat in front of you. No, I meant "Harem"!
Assuming you mean woman as opposed to women, she may not be so supportive when she finds out that she has to fit under the seat in front of you.
No, I meant "Harem"!
You are brave! You may need a support dog to keep all your support women at bay! Or should I say under the seats!
I was managed by a support wife for more than 35 years. That was all the support I could handle.
Actually, I understand the role domestic animals can play in helping people deal with emotional problems brought on by illness, death of a loved one, etc. I have seen well behaved dogs and cats on airplanes, Amtrak, and Carnival Cruise Line. I don't have a problem with it. But I would have a problem if a guy with a Boa wrapped around his neck sat next to me on an airplane. Or anywhere for that matter.
Rio Grande Valley, CFI,CFII
I don't think anybody would have issues with my support rabbit Harvey. In fact, most people act like they don't even see him.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
JPS1 Semper Vaporo If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support!
Semper Vaporo If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support!
If emotional support animals fly free, I could bring my women along for free! I really need them for emotional support!
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Or a therapy eagle...they've been known to menace small dogs locally.
NorthWest As someone with dog allergies I will tell you that any benefits from a 'therapy' dog will be far offset by my spending the entire flight sneezing, blowing my nose and wiping my running eyes. Not a fun time at all.
As someone with dog allergies I will tell you that any benefits from a 'therapy' dog will be far offset by my spending the entire flight sneezing, blowing my nose and wiping my running eyes. Not a fun time at all.
Sounds like you need a therapy chicken.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL[Sheldon] wrote the following post[in part,earlier]:
Sam,
I have no issues and no problem with true service animals.
The problem is the attempt to blur that line.......... and a "general" attidude by many pet owners that "I would be a better person if I imbrace their pet" - again, no thank you.
It is interesting how the "door" of tolerance only swings one way? I should tollerate your pet in public places, but you don't have tolerate my desire to not be effected by them?
After a number of bad experiances with dogs as a child/teen, it took me many years to become "dog neutral".
We have a pet, we keep her at home where she belongs.
Not an agrument, just making my position clear.
My wife is a retired mental health professional, and she would tell you that it is possible to be too invested in your pet, and that it can be metally unhealthy indicating other personal problems.
If you have to drag the lap dog everywhere you go, and drive your car with him in your lap (very unsafe in my view), that might be you?
Sheldon
Thanks for your response Sheldon (Atlantic Central)!
Firstly: I am very much in agreement with your position,as a dog/cat owner myself. I was just nbot wanting to start a donney-brook, on what is a timely, and somewhat sensitive subject. The central problem, I seem to come face-to-face with, is the public's lack of a complete definition, and understanding of the place and roles of Service Animal vs. a Therapy Animal.
This linked site is NOT a governmet sponsored site, but one provided by an advocacy group:[linked]@ https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet
It seems that many'handlers/patients' that require Service Dogs; because of the amount of training they are required to preform; as their animal is trained for its specific duties, are very well aware of their 'boundaries and rules" and make every effort to comply.
The 'gray area' seems to lay in the area of 'Therapy Animals'. These animals seem to have no requierment for any specific function other than they have a 'calming effect' on a specifi handler[ and possibly, eve a letter from a professional(?). Such a broad specification of its duties tends to cast a 'big tent', and opens definitions to more individual interpretations. The only requirement seems to be the provision wherein that Therapy Animal handler is to have documentation as to the vaccination status of their animal. Beyone that, there is not much that is open to questioning the handler on.
SD70Dude jeffhergert Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine. Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC. Will the chicken then need it's own emotional support animal?
jeffhergert Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine. Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC.
Randy Stahl Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine.
Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my emotional support wolverine.
Pity the person who has an emotional support chicken when I unbox my KFC.
Will the chicken then need it's own emotional support animal?
Or honey mustard dipping sauce ?
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Jeff, don't be cruel.
Last year when we went on Amtrak, our cat spent the week at a local pet boarding establishment, the Howl-A-Day Inn.
Jeff
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I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
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sam, I don't think Sheldon is including seeing eye dogs and others in his rant.
I agree though that purse pets are just dumb.
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samfp1943 ATLANTIC CENTRAL Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes? If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train? We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away. She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time...... I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale. One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog. The nerve of some people...... Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary......... There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it. Sheldon I do not wish to start an argument with Sheldon(Atlantic Central), BUT, There are differences between PETS and SERVICE ANIMALS: Those differences are spelled out in Federal Regulations, primarily, under the Americans with Disibilities Act. ADA which is administerd by the D.O.J., and its Civil Rights Div. A coupe of time a week I get to deal with a few of these issues at our local VA Hospital. Service Animals are part and parcel to some of my duties at that facility. This is a link to a pamphlet on the ADA WEBSITE @ https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm [It is currently posted there, but is dated as of 2011.] This link is to a 9 page PDF that describes frequently askede questions ref: Service Animals @ https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf Here is another linked site from the ADA National Network : I goes into definitions and explanations about SERVICE DOGS and THERAPY DOGS @ https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet This following Section from the last linked site explains,somewhat: THERAPY DOGS: III. Other Support or Therapy Animals "...While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning..." Basicly, Animals will be a part of live in public setting for some time to come, since their have been inclucated by Federal Laws and Rulemaking into those positions.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes? If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train? We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away. She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time...... I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale. One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog. The nerve of some people...... Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary......... There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it. Sheldon
Has the world lost its collective mind? Why should others have to put up with animals in the small confines of many airplanes?
If you are so "fragile" you need an "emotional support animal", maybe you are too "fragile" fly on an airplane? or ride on a train?
We have a cat at our house, she is cute a little thing, and living in a 117 year old house, cats are nice to keep mice away.
She is just one of many in along line over the last 22 years.....but we have never had more than two at a time......
I would never expect to be able to just "take her with us" in public places. And I think much of what is going on these days with dogs (other than REAL service dogs) is beyond the pale.
One day last winter, in bad weather, a woman was walking briskly thru the local Home Depot with a very large dog on a leash (they alow this). After I spent several minutes in the store gathering my purchases, and saw her several times, it dawned on me, she was not there to shop, she was walking/exercising the dog.
The nerve of some people......
Guess what pet owners, not everybody wants to interact with your pet. Heck there are lots of times when I'm happy to not interact with any more people than necessary.........
There is a place for pets, airplanes, trains, and retail stores (except the big box pet store) are not it.
I do not wish to start an argument with Sheldon(Atlantic Central),
BUT, There are differences between PETS and SERVICE ANIMALS: Those differences are spelled out in Federal Regulations, primarily, under the Americans with Disibilities Act. ADA which is administerd by the D.O.J., and its Civil Rights Div.
A coupe of time a week I get to deal with a few of these issues at our local VA Hospital. Service Animals are part and parcel to some of my duties at that facility.
This is a link to a pamphlet on the ADA WEBSITE @ https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm [It is currently posted there, but is dated as of 2011.]
This link is to a 9 page PDF that describes frequently askede questions ref: Service Animals @ https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.pdf
Here is another linked site from the ADA National Network : I goes into definitions and explanations about SERVICE DOGS and THERAPY DOGS @
https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet
This following Section from the last linked site explains,somewhat: THERAPY DOGS: III. Other Support or Therapy Animals
"...While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning..."
Basicly, Animals will be a part of live in public setting for some time to come, since their have been inclucated by Federal Laws and Rulemaking into those positions.
I'm tired of seeing tiny dogs in fast food restaurants and riding around in supermarket baskets under the guise of "service animals." It's a slap in the face to those who legitimately need a service animal.
John Timm
First thing that comes to mind with "service animal" is a seeing eye dog, which have a very specific purpose and typically have had extensive trining in both providing a service and not being an annoyance. I also noted that Amtrak requires pet owners to sign an indemnification agreement.
Note their definition of 'Service animal' and the difference to 'Comfort animal'.
https://www.amtrak.com/planning-booking/accessible-travel-services/service-animals.html
Amtrak and pets.
https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/carry-on-pets.html
Where I now live, several people bring dogs in--some for residents to pet, some apparently to visit particular residents. There is one dog brought in for anybody to pet (which I have not seen for some time) which, I fear has not had a bath in a year; you do not have to see him to know that he is in the room.
A few of the residents keep dogs or cats in their rooms; such residents are responsible for the entire upkeep of their pets.
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