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Posted by tree68 on Friday, June 5, 2015 8:14 PM

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Why do we need yet another social or non-topical thread, given we already have the Chatterbox spring thread and The Official Eleanor Roosevelt (And Anything Else Non-topical) Thread?

I suspect this one will peter out in the not-to-distant future.  Chatterbox is just a place to check in every now and then, and Eleanor likes off-the-wall stuff (which is occasionally railroad related).

The old "Lounge" thread has long since passed.  It started out as an alternative to the food-obsessed "Diner" with some emphasis on photography.

As for animals - you'll have to settle with a plant for me... 

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, June 5, 2015 8:42 PM

schlimm

Why do we need yet another social or non-topical thread, given we already have the Chatterbox spring thread and The Official Eleanor Roosevelt (And Anything Else Non-topical) Thread?

 

We don't.  What we need is some basic questions with some basic answers that we can all read and enjoy.  I live in Nebraska.  I know nothing about railroads on the east coast.  I try to wade thru the posts, but I get really lost about the 2nd or 3rd posting.

I know this is an over simplification of postings, but here lately, they have either been so technical or so location foreign that I am wearing out my mouse just trying to find a thread that I can read and even partially understand.  I try to ask questions, but pretty much get ignored.  Ok - so why don't posters either answer questions or post more details about the subject or both.  This isn't a college lecture circuit.  But a lot of us non-railroad people would like to be able to get into a discussion w/o drowning in the technicals.  And not everyone is brave enough to ask.  

I get information from several members of the railroad community - and guess what - they take the time and the patience to explain it to me a little and Voila!  I get it.  And they are all on this forum!

So, Schlimm - I read your comments a lot.  Some I agree with and some I don't.

Jeff - I love reading your postings.  You are great on details that are pretty straightforward. Plus you speak engineereeze with a true midwest flavor.  

For the rest of you & Zug:  can someone please explain cab signals to me?  This is what should be discussed on a railroad forum.  I have pled my case before and nothing happened, so I will go back to the CBox - that silly place everyone hates and yet has readership equal to a lot of very popular magazines.  I-mag-in that!

Oh yeah - and I spent weeks trying to figure out why railroads were almost hysterical about a 1.5% grade.  Engineering was never my strong suit.  But I try....really I do! 

 

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Posted by ouibejamn on Friday, June 5, 2015 8:49 PM

schlimm
Why do we need yet another social or non-topical thread, given we already have the Chatterbox spring thread and The Official Eleanor Roosevelt (And Anything Else Non-topical) Thread?

We don't, you are probably right. I suspected, though, that I'm neither old enough or midwestern enough for Chatterbox, so this thread seemed like something interesting to jump onto. Considering the price of admission, I guess i'll ride this pony to the end. ;)

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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 8:55 PM

Alright, so before this post peters out, (hopefully it won't) let me just say that this is the most fun I have had in months. I personally like my nonsensical "post about posting" and, if the moderators are willing ,i ask that it be extended a bit longer. 

Whether or not it is taken down, I would like to use this "forum rules" topic to ask: If a post is locked/ poster banned, are ALL participants banned, or only the people who initiated it?

P.S. If a moderator, for some reason reads this, let me know if you will allow it to commence.

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 PM

Mookie
For the rest of you & Zug: can someone please explain cab signals to me?

The PRR can do a better job than I: 

 

https://youtu.be/kThWihLOuR8?t=3m53s

 

Film's a little dated, but concept is pretty much the same.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by ouibejamn on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:01 PM

KBCpresident
Alright, so before this post peters out,Ihopefully it won't) let me just say that this is the most fun i have had in months. I personally like my nonsensical "post about posting" and, if the moderators are willing ,i ask that it be extended a bit longer.

Shhh. If we're very very quiet, they won't notice we're here.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:14 PM

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Mookie
For the rest of you & Zug: can someone please explain cab signals to me?

 

The PRR can do a better job than I: 

 

https://youtu.be/kThWihLOuR8?t=3m53s

 

Film's a little dated, but concept is pretty much the same.

 

Thanks, Zug. It is a little dated--I saw a Shark. I wonder--did the cab signals also show the aspect that told the engineer to lower his pantograph?

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:18 PM

Deggesty
Thanks, Zug. It is a little dated--I saw a Shark. I wonder--did the cab signals also show the aspect that told the engineer to lower his pantograph?

Not that I ever saw.   The PRR style (as far as I know) only gave four aspects:

 

clear, approach medium, approach, restricting.

 

Not all cab signals we have use speed enforcement.  They just need acknowledged.  on other lines - there is speed enforcement. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by ouibejamn on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:22 PM

Mookie
But a lot of us non-railroad people would like to be able to get into a discussion w/o drowning in the technicals. And not everyone is brave enough to ask.

So how about a thread by Nonrails discussing whatever amongst ourselves. Then perhaps the "rails" will get so tired of amatures flopping about looking for answers they'll weigh in and help out.  Once we have their attention, we can ask lot's of questions, like why any sane person would work for a railroad.  That's a start.  Hey, i'm new here, maybe it's been done before, I don't know.  I'm still in the rubbing every body the wrong way phase hereabouts. ;)

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:27 PM

My observation has been that the people in the know are fairly quick in answering questions so that misunderstandings are quickly cleared up--as the idea that our Elder Stateslady works for Kalmbach was corrected by the ultimate authority on the matter..

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:30 PM

ouibejamn
like why any sane person would work for a railroad.

We haven't found one yet.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:39 PM

ouibejamn

Shhh. If we're very very quiet, they won't notice we're here.

 

Big Smile

This is currently the most active thread on the forum. I'm guessing they know we exist. They might not know exactly how off-topic we are, though. Or maybe they know both, but have more pressing matters to worry about.

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Posted by Mookie on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:42 PM

Zug - what is the reason for cab signals on the eastern and not the BNSF here in the middle of the country?  Congestion?  Traffic?  

And when those CSX engines come thru here, some as 2nd motor power and at least one was HEP - where do the cab signals figure in - do they not come on since we aren't set up for that?  

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:46 PM

Cab signals are only used for territory that is equipped for it.  So engines with cab signals are fine to run on non-equipped lines.  But there's a whole set of rules for non-equipped engines to lead on lines that do feature cab signals. 

 

    UP uses cab signals on some of its lines.   You'll have to ask someone else for specifics.

 

 

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:47 PM

ouibejamn
So how about a thread by Nonrails discussing whatever amongst ourselves. Then perhaps the "rails" will get so tired of amatures flopping about looking for answers they'll weigh in and help out. 

Again, "Nora's Stupid Question Thread" did just that.  I believe she's working for a railroad now.  It was a pretty free-swinging thread and a lot of folks learned a lot.

Wish I could find it.  I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

Sometimes the problem is that there's no easy/simple answer.  Even a brief summary of some topics will make your head spin, as we've all seen one way or another here.

That said, never be afraid to ask a question.  Even if someone points out that it was discussed in another thread, at least you'll get your answer.

 

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 5, 2015 9:48 PM

tree68
That said, never be afraid to ask a question.

 

And we'll be glad to provide an answer.  Even if we have to make it up.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 10:04 PM

Anybody know how ot change your "signiture?" I'm getting a little tired of "Now with quotes Wow and smilies Cool" And my Active project now is the Beaverton,Fanno Creek and Bull Mtn.

On topic, I know that when the CP F units came through to Portland, they had to have a UP unit leading because of some issue wiht cab controls. A lot of irritated railfans for that one.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, June 5, 2015 10:09 PM

On the right side of any page is your avatar and your user name,  Under that is a link:  "Settings" click on it... you Sig line is near the bottom of the page you will get.

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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 10:41 PM

I don't see it, but I will try again later.

Now, how about those heritage units? Seen any lately?

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, June 5, 2015 10:44 PM
Nora's Stupid Questions thread was evidently renamed "Bad train pictures."
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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, June 5, 2015 10:53 PM

Sorry... just pushing this to 80 replies.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 5, 2015 11:14 PM
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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 11:15 PM

ouibejamn

 

 
Ulrich
.. a post about posting.. how clever.

 

Exactly!  All part of his evil scheme, we've been had.  Look at you KBC, already on page two.

 

Bob the weasel

keep it going

keep it going...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 5, 2015 11:18 PM
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Posted by KBCpresident on Friday, June 5, 2015 11:37 PM

I SAW THE WIESEL!

 

(bob the weasel... anyone polayed that game. Ah, the memories of day camp)

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Saturday, June 6, 2015 1:15 PM

 KBCPresident:

"This is currently the most active thread on the forum. I'm guessing they know we exist. They might not know exactly how off-topic we are, though. Or maybe they know both, but have more pressing matters to worry about."

 

   Mostly, we've been talking about posting, so on a thread about posting, are we really off-topic?

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Saturday, June 6, 2015 1:23 PM

zugmann
 
Mookie
For the rest of you & Zug: can someone please explain cab signals to me?

 

The PRR can do a better job than I: 

 

https://youtu.be/kThWihLOuR8?t=3m53s

 

Film's a little dated, but concept is pretty much the same.

 

    OK, a railroad-related question:  In the opening scene with the title, the rails in that picture looked HUGE.   Could anyone venture a guess as to their weight?   I know PRR used some very heavy rails.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, June 6, 2015 4:26 PM

Paul North discussed it in another thread. : 

Paul_D_North_Jr

 

Actually, it was 152 PS = Pennsylvania System; also used 155 PS to a greater extent. See the bottom of this rail chart:

 

http://www.txholdings.com/rail_chart.php 

Not in any major main lines; almost all are now either 115 RE,132 RE, 136 RE, 140 RE, or 141 RE (AREMA).  Undoubtedly there's some in yards, old branch lines (coal lines around Shamokin, PA), a few industries where I put it in . . . Whistling - for various specific technical reasons.  It's kind of an orphan - almost all of the "Other Track Material" (joint bars obviously, but also tie plates, and everything in the turnouts) fit only it.

Walking in track laid with the stuff was weird - it was so tall, it felt like there were handrails on either side, or else it was proportioned more like narrow gauge, with respect to the rail height vs. the gauge distance. 

- Paul North.    

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by KBCpresident on Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:17 PM

Paul of Covington
  Mostly, we've been talking about posting, so on a thread about posting, are we really off-topic?
 

 

very true, very true Smile I'm curious where it goes next.

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Posted by ouibejamn on Saturday, June 6, 2015 7:49 PM

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I'm curious where it goes next

I went to Nebraska once, but it was closed. I guess I should have called ahead. Okay, I'm only trying to puuuuush us onto page four.

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