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Posted by schlimm on Monday, September 1, 2014 10:33 PM

The P&LE terminal in Pittsburgh is used as a popular shopping center, i believe.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, September 1, 2014 7:23 PM

I think I travelled through the MC station back around 1976-77, when Amtrak still ran a train or two through Canada.  It was late when we got in, and with a 1 year old, I had other things on my mind.

Utica (NY) Union Station just observed its 100th birthday.  It was saved from oblivion by the county, which has offices in the building, including the motor vehicles bureau, so a lot of people visit it.  It also houses Amtrak, buses, and the Adirondack Scenic RR, as well as a restaurant and a barber shop.  The building is classic "golden age of railroading," with plenty of marble and terrazzo floors.  One feature that always gets folks is the heated waiting room benches.

The Syracuse station still stands, but has been repurposed by Time Warner Cable.  There are no tracks there anymore, I-690 having been built over much of the ROW.

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Posted by SALfan on Monday, September 1, 2014 7:19 PM
When was the station in Ellicott City built? As an interesting tidbit, the oldest surviving RR station in Florida (though no longer in use as a RR station) is at Lloyd, about 25 miles east of Tallahassee. It was built in 1858, and rebuilt in I believe 1946 after a major fire.
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Posted by Leo_Ames on Monday, September 1, 2014 3:22 PM

It's not on the scale as the type of stuff you folks are discussing, but that attractive Union Pacific depot in Columbus Nebraska that has been in the newswire lately seems appropriate to mention.

Particularly sad since it's in excellent shape structurally and has a sound roof where as those two big NYC terminals, while in good shape not all that long ago, have long been left to neglect making an extremely difficult task almost impossible. 

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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, September 1, 2014 1:06 PM

Oldest station in 1968 Ellicott City, MD.  Oldest Amtrak station Lewistown, PA.

http://tps.cr.nps.gov/nhl/detail.cfm?ResourceId=782&ResourceType=Building

http://www.greatamericanstations.com/Stations/LEW

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Posted by NKP guy on Monday, September 1, 2014 10:32 AM

This thread brings to my mind these questions:  1.  What's the oldest extant railroad station in the United States?  2.  Which station today holds the record for longest, continuous use as a railroad station?

As an aside, I remember walking in March, 1967 through  B&O's Camden Street Station and thinking that it must have looked this way in Lincoln's time because it was so antique in its appearance and feeling.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:15 PM

That MC station was too much for Detroit from the get-go.  I understand that there were entire floors of that building that were never used.

It should stand as the eyesore it is until Detroit turns itself around (will I see that?  it would be nice).  Then, in a safely covered event, blow it away (which I understand might be easier said than done, due to its construction).  I don't think it could ever be restored, for any use. 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:33 PM

The Michigan Central Station in Detroit has been bypassed when Amtrak started using a line to the NW of downtown to reach the CN line to Pontiac.  The station is owned by a guy who buys distressed properties and lets them fall apart, although for MC station, the city has gotten him to do some clean-up.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:15 PM

Add Philadelphia's 30th Street Station, too.

I second the EBT shops' nomination - like a time capsule of early industrial techniques and equipment. 

The shops at Cass were even better (IMHO), but were destroyed in a fire in 1972 (there were other fires at the mill itself in 1978 and 1982, and at the station in 1975).  See for example:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/photos-old-cass-railroad-shop-lathe-id-question-112277/ 

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Posted by dakotafred on Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:10 PM

Add to Dragoman's list of successful restorations the St. Paul Union Station, which is not only gorgeous but an active transit center, with light rail, bus and Amtrak; and Denver Union Station.

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Posted by cacole on Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:35 PM

The problem you run into some times are the location of the property and a railroad's insistence that the structure be moved off their property.

A few years ago there was a movement afoot to save an old Harvey House Restaurant and Hotel in Seligman, Arizona.  BNSF wanted to demolish the building and some locals wanted to save it.  Fair enough, BNSF replied, but you must move it off railroad property.  

The thing that killed the idea was asbestos and lead paint used in the structure, plus the fact that it was reinforced poured concrete.  Cost estimates of saving it ran into the millions of dollars, and with Interstate 40 bypassing Seligman they realized that it would not draw enough tourists to be worthwhile.

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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, August 31, 2014 3:33 PM

The former Italianate-style IC station in Galena, IL is a gem, currently housing the chamber of commerce.  But if and when the Black Hawk service resumes (service to Rockford starts maybe 2015, but the CN does not want passenger trains running on their now-busy line to Waterloo) it will be an attraction.

http://members.trainorders.com/dr04/BlackHawk/20110424_GalenaTrip40.jpg

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Posted by ACY Tom on Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:27 PM

All of East Broad Top's facilities at Rockhill Furnace, PA.  It may be unique in North America as a complete representation of a railroad shop/yard/station/headquarters of the turn of the 19th to 20th century.

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Posted by Randy Stahl on Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:58 PM

Add to the saved list : Worcester union station in Mass. I recently checked it out and it looks fantastic !!

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Railroad Architectural Gems in jeopardy
Posted by Dragoman on Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:51 PM

Schlimm's post of  "Sad Pictures", and Ramrod's "If you had the money ..." made me curious as to what you all think about efforts (or the lack thereof) of saving railroad architectural sites, and which should be top priority.  "If you had the money", which would you acquire, and what would you do with them?

Michigan Central Station in Detroit and Buffalo Central Station are certainly good starting points. 

I think that, "If I had the money ...", I wouldn't buy a railroad but rather would buy and rehabilitate these 2 transportation/architectural gems.

And it would not be an easy job.  In Oakland, California, the classic Southern Pacific 16th & Wood station has continued to languish, in spite of the efforts of the city, an adjacent developer, and an active non-profit.  Some of the problems: poor neighborhood, and no longer feasible for rail (or any other transport) use.  Aren't those some of the same issues in Detroit and Buffalo?

But giving hope are the successes: Los Angeles Union Station, Kansas City Union Station, Washington Union Station, New York's Grand Central.

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