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Posted by cefinkjr on Monday, February 8, 2016 8:00 PM

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I, for one, would love to be able to read car numbers on passing trains.

You're not alone.  It's almost automatic with me and I'm very frustrating when I can't read the reporting marks on passing cars.  But why do we do it?  I guess there are lots of nuts around.  Laugh

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Posted by AgentKid on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:22 PM

What was that? A single unit, what looked like a standard oil train buffer car, and a passenger coach just passed the diamond at 12:20 CST on the BNSF line westbound. The coach was a vintage light weight, with a blind end trailing.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:51 PM

Probably all the PV from the various Super Bowl runs returining home.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:40 PM

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Probably all the PV from the various Super Bowl runs returining home.

Doubt a private car would be moving in a oil train, loaded or empty - unless it was a 'rider car' for person(s) acting as a security rider for the train or representitives of the shipper or consignee riding with the shipment to get a real world view of how the shipment gets handled.  All necessary fares, releases and other legal obligations would have to be complied with.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:53 PM

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What was that? A single unit, what looked like a standard oil train buffer car, and a passenger coach just passed the diamond at 12:20 CST on the BNSF line westbound. The coach was a vintage light weight, with a blind end trailing.

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Was it a two car train or was the coach on the end of a unit oil train?

 

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Posted by AgentKid on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 6:35 PM

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Was it a two car train

Sorry, I was out all afternoon.

Yes, it was just the two cars. I like your suggestion that it was a Private Car deadheading home.

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Posted by BtrainBob on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:21 PM

Could it have been one of the BNSF unmanned track geometry cars?
http://www.chasingheavymetal.com/blog/?attachment_id=6726

I think this is more likely than a single PV move.

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:40 PM

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Could it have been one of the BNSF unmanned track geometry cars?

Not if the car has to work with the open end trailing. The car I saw had a blind end trailing. The only way someone could look out the back is if they were standing up and looking out the end door window.

Unfortunately, the car took me by surprise, so I really can't say for sure if the leading end had an open vestibule like your photo or a regular closed one.

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Posted by BtrainBob on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:55 PM

Bruce,

I knew that I had seen the train you described on the net.  Did a lot of searching and finally found a video of it in the Chicago Railfans Facebook page... https://www.facebook.com/john.walshiii/videos/982564305154441/

engine followed by a hopper followed by a passenger car identified by others as BNSF 90 a geometry car.   Is this the train you saw?

Just found it on Youtube.  Video is on Youtube at 5:54 -

https://youtu.be/0Oo4cXhCSOc

https://youtu.be/0Oo4cXhCSOc?t=354

 

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:11 PM

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Not if the car has to work with the open end trailing. The car I saw had a blind end trailing. The only way someone could look out the back is if they were standing up and looking out the end door window.

DOT's geometry cars will run in both directions.

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Posted by AgentKid on Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:13 AM

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Is this the train you saw?

It is indeed. Although when I saw it wasn't going quite so fast. Thanks for that.

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:28 AM

Nice find BtrainBob! ..   Why would they have the buffer car?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:06 AM

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Nice find BtrainBob! ..   Why would they have the buffer car?

I assumed it was to separate the instruments in the measurement car from the influence of the engine (rattling the track or electrical noise (RFI) that the engine might create).

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Posted by cefinkjr on Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:46 AM

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Nice find BtrainBob! ..   Why would they have the buffer car?

 

I assumed it was to separate the instruments in the measurement car from the influence of the engine (rattling the track or electrical noise (RFI) that the engine might create).

My WAG would have to do with braking.  Scale cars and some instrumented cars have no brakes because the standard brake system would interfere with the purpose of the car.  But there's that pesky (FRA?) rule about the minimum number of operating brakes per car (or per trailing ton?) not including locomotive brakes.  Adding another car or two increases the number of operating brakes enough to stay within the rules.

This is the reason for several cars being included when moving large steam locomotives, too.  For example, the brakes on UP 4018's 34 (!) wheels were inoperative so several tank cars were coupled around it for braking when it was moved from Dallas' Fair Park to its new home in Frisco, TX. Nearly a million pounds of Big Boy is not something you want to have rolling around without brakes. Wink

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:59 AM

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rdamon

Nice find BtrainBob! ..   Why would they have the buffer car?

I assumed it was to separate the instruments in the measurement car from the influence of the engine (rattling the track or electrical noise (RFI) that the engine might create).

My WAG would have to do with braking.  Scale cars and some instrumented cars have no brakes because the standard brake system would interfere with the purpose of the car.  But there's that pesky (FRA?) rule about the minimum number of operating brakes per car (or per trailing ton?) not including locomotive brakes.  Adding another car or two increases the number of operating brakes enough to stay within the rules.

This is the reason for several cars being included when moving large steam locomotives, too.  For example, the brakes on UP 4018's 34 (!) wheels were inoperative so several tank cars were coupled around it for braking when it was moved from Dallas' Fair Park to its new home in Frisco, TX. Nearly a million pounds of Big Boy is not something you want to have rolling around without brakes. Wink

What ever the LAST car in a train is - it must have operative brakes!

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:31 AM

I'm pretty sure that the DOT car I worked with had brakes - they wanted us to use dynamics when possible.

I'm tempted to go along with the idea that the instrumented car can have the brakes cut out (as opposed to being totally without) so the brakes don't interfere with measurements.

And that would explain the extra car.

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Posted by Wizlish on Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:58 AM

I think it's been discussed that the high rate of compression for the streaming video is the principal source of the issue you mention. The camera itself is high-resolution, but the available bandwidth from it is restricted.

If this is about the Rochelle, IL webcam, you should know that it has its own 'dedicated' thread (the unofficial Rochelle Web cam thread; look for it) in which a number of different causes of 'fuzziness' have been discussed, including camera-associated bugs of a decidedly non-technical type...

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:48 AM

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I think it's been discussed that the high rate of compression for the streaming video is the principal source of the issue you mention. The camera itself is high-resolution, but the available bandwidth from it is restricted.

If this is about the Rochelle, IL webcam, you should know that it has its own 'dedicated' thread (the unofficial Rochelle Web cam thread; look for it) in which a number of different causes of 'fuzziness' have been discussed, including camera-associated bugs of a decidedly non-technical type...

 

Wizlish, aren't spiders technicians?--they do construct webs to catch their food, though some seem to be more or less simply thrown together.Smile

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:00 PM

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Wizlish, aren't spiders technicians?--they do construct webs to catch their food, though some seem to be more or less simply thrown together.

Spiders are network technicians, hence the term LAN means Local Arachnid Network.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:50 PM

Thanks, Chuck. I had long wondered about the significance of LAN. 

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Posted by Jack R. on Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:43 PM

Wizlish

I think it's been discussed that the high rate of compression for the streaming video is the principal source of the issue you mention. The camera itself is high-resolution, but the available bandwidth from it is restricted.

If this is about the Rochelle, IL webcam, you should know that it has its own 'dedicated' thread (the unofficial Rochelle Web cam thread; look for it) in which a number of different causes of 'fuzziness' have been discussed, including camera-associated bugs of a decidedly non-technical type...

 

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Posted by Jack R. on Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:43 PM

Our train cam here seems very fuzzy. I know it's night time, but is this normal? Just curious and in no way being critical. This is by far the best train cam I personally have ever used. So, I was wondering why it's fuzzy. BTW after the snow, even at night, there was some visibility of the trains as they passed by.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:18 PM

EEEUUUWWW!  The camera got splattered with something and has decided to focus on the splatter on the lens... anybody got a hanky to wipe it off?

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, February 20, 2016 8:52 PM

While watching this afternoon, at about 5:05 PM, as a BNSF WB passed, it blew some gunk onto the lens of the camera.

 

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Posted by MKT Dave on Sunday, February 21, 2016 8:58 AM
It's clear now... a young man across the street seems to hang around the center, might have cleaned it, I've seen that monster hand wipe the lens several times now
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Posted by Norm48327 on Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:05 AM

Electroliner 1935

While watching this afternoon, at about 5:05 PM, as a BNSF WB passed, it blew some gunk onto the lens of the camera.

 

 

Must have been one of those GE's that are noted for "wet-stacking".

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:56 AM

Electroliner 1935

While watching this afternoon, at about 5:05 PM, as a BNSF WB passed, it blew some gunk onto the lens of the camera.

 

 

What's that get you? 10 points?

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:51 AM

Looks OK today.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Sunday, February 21, 2016 3:57 PM

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What's that get you? 10 points?

I don't get your comment. Please explain. Points toward what?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, February 22, 2016 10:29 AM

System seems to be down this morning... all I get is a narrow black band for the normally square window and no video.

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