What I see today being done where an insulated joint is needed for signalling is that a prefabricated insulated joint that is factory made with insulation and epoxy and about two feet of rail on either side of the joint is welded into the track. This joint has all of the strength of the rail and by having the welding away from the joint, there is no heat damage to the insulation. It doen't need to have the bolts tightened as they are fastened with locking bolts. The old type of field built joint with fiber insulation could not be as solid as the rail and was a weak failure point. And most crossing circuits are now done with "audiotone" electronic circuits that put a signal onto the rails that can detect speed, direction and distance from the crossing and adjust the warning operation to activate quickly at an appropriate distance for the speed of the train. This eliminates the need for many insulated joints. Back sixty years ago when I was involved in the instalation of some crossing protections on the PRR, all we had were basic track circuit relays and any basic crossing required eight insulated joints: one in each rail distant from the crossing on each side of the crossing and one in each rail on each side of the crossing. This formed three circuits, one on each side of the crossing and one for the crossing. And if the design called for delaying start times for slow trains, additional sections would be required for time determination.
CWR through grade crossings and signal blocks might be feasible with some sort of induction circuit . . . thus expending my knowledge of the electronics of the matter. Any EEs or Signal Dept people out there who can shed some light?
But my comment was meant simply to offer an explanation of why CSX used bolted joints where UP welded theirs.
ChuckAllen, TX
cefinkjrInsulated joints, or "armored" joints as NYC MoW people called them, must be bolted. There is no way to electrically insulate a welded joint.
I don't know the technicalities on this, but I'm sure you'll be corrected by someone who does. We have CWR over several grade crossings and through signal blocks regularly up this way.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
Yes, there were bolted insulated joints (not made on site), but the rest of the joints were bolted and not thermite welded. Maybe they plan on doing this later.
Insulated joints, or "armored" joints as NYC MoW people called them, must be bolted. There is no way to electrically insulate a welded joint.
Back on topic, I wish someone would get up to the Rochelle webcam and spray some Home Defense Max around it...
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
I'm confused. After the new crossings are installed, I never saw a tamper work on the Eastbound (South) track before the first trains pass while a tamper is working on the Westbound (North) track. Was there a time period that was not in the video?
rdamonTime lapse on Deshler .. CSX used bolted joints where the UP welded theirs ..
Who said you can't herd cats! Six Cats setting the new diamond panel in place!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Time lapse on Deshler .. CSX used bolted joints where the UP welded theirs ..
Working good on W10, Chrome ..
However I did spend that day watching the Deschler diamond get replaced. Interesting differences between Rochelle and Deschler.
Working for me right now (Sept 16, 2018 5:32 PM CDT) using Windows 10, Internet Explorer 11.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
havent been able to get webcam rochelle video on ipad dark screen lap top fine o well old ipad wearin out just happened in last couple of days still get virginia web and newswire videos any help????
Looks normal to me. I'm running Win10 and IE11. IE for this thread and the web cam together are using about 20% of my CPU. R/T is as fast as I need it to be (i.e., the machine is waiting for me more than I'm waiting for it).
I am logged on but for some reason cannot start a new thread, so I'll ask here. The video stream for Rochelle is constantly buffering. All my other RR streams play smoothly. I am using Firefox which I've used for years with no problem. Maybe the famouse windows 10 updates?
Ladder1 ...inline 16 cyclinder engines and generaters. ... supposed to be surplus from submarines...
Makes sense.
The hum that can be heard could be what is known as the Diesel Plant. A electrical generation plant for the City. It contains at least 3 inline 16 cyclinder engines and generaters. Used as a peaker plant. Engines are supposed to be surplus from submarines. They are old and large. The plant just across the street from the Park. Easterly
Chrome on windows 10 works perfect for me
Perks worfectly for me using Windows 10 IE-11 and Edge.
What Operating System and browser are you using?
Nope...working just fine and dandy.
I've been getting a message since Saturday that either I have a bad internet connection or that the camera could be down when I try to click on the Rochelle webcam. I haven't had any problems with any of my other websites, including RR action ones, and my internet seems to be working fine. Any one else experiencing a problem like mine?
The State of Il screwed Nippon. They kept changing the agreed upon specs. Then had a rebid that included "new jobs in Il." Nippon could not bid again. The new winning "bidder" is going to build a new plant in the Pullman district in Chicago. Even though the Pullman district is a Heritage site.
rdamonUltimately, the complexity of the project prevented Nippon Sharyo from successful completion of this project.
I can't imagine an American company ever making such an admission. Even if true, most would tap dance around the situation and blame anything, even the weather, rather than admit something was too complex for them.
rdamon https://rochellenews-leader.com/article/nippon-sharyo-confirms-closing-of-rochelle-facility {snip} Below is the statement from Nippon Sharyo regarding the closure of its Rochelle facility: The closure of this facility comes after years of dedicated work by company leaders and employees to deliver the 130 Bi-Level Passenger Rail Car. Ultimately, the complexity of the project prevented Nippon Sharyo from successful completion of this project.
https://rochellenews-leader.com/article/nippon-sharyo-confirms-closing-of-rochelle-facility
{snip}
Below is the statement from Nippon Sharyo regarding the closure of its Rochelle facility:
The closure of this facility comes after years of dedicated work by company leaders and employees to deliver the 130 Bi-Level Passenger Rail Car. Ultimately, the complexity of the project prevented Nippon Sharyo from successful completion of this project.
What an admission of FAILURE by a manufacturing organization.
“For more than a year now, Nippon Sharyo has been reducing its workforce at the Rochelle plant to meet a decreased workload around the company’s North American operations. The closure of this plant is the final step in that process. While this is not the outcome we would have wanted, and are disappointed for our staff and the community, we are heartened that most of our former employees have been able to find employment elsewhere.
The closure of this facility comes after years of dedicated work by company leaders and employees to deliver the 130 Bi-Level Passenger Rail Car. Ultimately, the complexity of the project prevented Nippon Sharyo from successful completion of this project. This result brought significant losses, which severely impaired our financial conditions to the extent that we can no longer build rail cars at the Rochelle factory.
In the months ahead, Nippon Sharyo will be preparing a sale of the factory and its assets. We will work with the relevant parties to ensure that is a smooth process, and one that will ultimately benefit the community. We also want to express our gratitude to the City of Rochelle for its exemplary partnership over the past several years. The city’s leadership and the community have provided an excellent location for our North American manufacturing operations, and we thank them for welcoming our company over the past decade.”
Sorry about the last post, I wasn't trying to endorse railstream, just the topic was 'is the park closed', was just trying to show that the park was being used by a lot of folks.
Semper Vaporo There are people there right now (7/22/2018 10:58 AM)
There are people there right now (7/22/2018 10:58 AM)
Railstream, a paid cam at Rochelle is free until the 26 July, watching both cams, the park was packed all day yesterday and today, with a set of canopy's set up with BBQ's (lots of smoke from one, I assume a BBQ) and everthing. dozens of tri pods set up on the UP side of the park today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOQ5kaBzzdo
I believe it's $14.00 a month and Rochell is part of that
package, if theres a cheaper, I have seen it beyond Trains.com.
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