Ulrich What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile?
What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile?
Have you seen "I, Robot?"
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Haven't seen it, but read the book..Isaac Asimov if memory serves me correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pl_Pont_Zk
Closer than you think
Have fun with your trains
I used to think 'heck no' to automated drivers!!!! Then came cell phones and texting and now I'm not so sure the computers are worse then the 'drivers'
tree68Have you seen "I, Robot?"
Do you mean this scene?
Overmod tree68Have you seen "I, Robot?" Do you mean this scene?
That, and pretty much everything after it.
OvermodBe careful. Be very, very careful. Autonomous intelligence may be built into these things.
I hope not...especially if the AI I've seen is included, I'm not impressed. (Note, above was a play on the Smart ForTwo. But, maybe I shouldn't say these things, the computers might be watching. )
Although, Juniatha, I probably would want to take the subway anyway. Why pass up a good train ride?
(In New York, a while back: "But the bus will get us there sooner..." "We have to take the subway! The Brightliners might drop dead at any moment!")
How about this?
http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=8&from=en-us_msnhpvidmod#/video/77d8d312-4e36-3efa-b45a-b8080d784814
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"A stranger's just a friend you ain't met yet." --- Dave Gardner
Very impressive. Although I'm beginning to wonder why more and more youtube vids are preceded by ads for toilet paper and other toilet related things. Charmain is really pushing their brand..it is becoming annoying. As if bears use it.
Just to cheer you up, here is a test of a computer controlled automatic braking system by Volvo where the car does the thinking and braking for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi17YLnZpg
No TP ad attached to that one...wow... maybe someone is listening.
here's the link to that scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzg1mzwZDko
Well , I'm not too impressed , the same crappy old canned story film makers heat up again and again to 'make a thriller' : a bit of 50ct ghetto , a bit of war game , a bit of ghastly train robbery Western story transmuddled into 2Xth century , isn’t it ? If so , at least it would prove robots were no better than any old 1980s moothafooca hiphopster gangstas and next to nothing would be changed .
Desirable perspective ? ( if perspective at all ?)
Regular guards
= J =
addenda
however , there's hope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHp58Ss5GvM
The Beast – with WW II RollingRosie's Merlin 27 ltr engine - with some rimaaak'bl British talking
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/207-v-parkour?VideoBrowserMode=categories&VideoCategory=Challenges
May in Peugeot vs parkour in Liverpool - hand and foot made wins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnmkeyraRc
Michelle Mouton wins pikes peak 1985
( and yes , Overmod , two years later Walter Röhrl in what an equally flawless and admirable performance was again nearly a second faster - however in a vastly improved 600 hp Quattro )
Well , there is this video , allegedly best burn-out ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unwujSVpZwA
Uoahm - >> best << ? baddest
>> burn out << ? rubber run down
On the intriguing secret behind this thrilling kind of 'sport' :
Once you hold a vehicle by bake on non-driven wheels on which there is loaded more mass than on driven wheels and you get the thing in gear , then if the torque put up at drive axle is above what adhesion of tires can take , they will turn . When turning they rub on street which produces heat and wears tires .
In a nutshell : when they turn they burn .
That’s all .
This remains so as long as these conditions are being upheld , there is nothing special in holding up this condition for any intended time , the condition is sutainable to an extent ,notably :
Since tires if anything rather loose grip when there is more than a layer of rubber on this point of street where they rub , this can go on as long as there is rubber to rub off or oil in the engine circuit or gas in the tank or as long as the transmission will hold up or what have you .
Since of all these , amount of rubber on tires very predictably is the first to run out , result after shorter or longer time of keeping up this rather silly condition will be that tires with rubber consumed have to blow up and then the rest of them will provide much less adhesion so there is no question an engine that has turned these wheels before will also do so when the tires are deflated and torn to pieces .
Again blatantly obvious , next sequence will be the tires are torn to pieces and there are only rings around the rim left which will now be heat consumed very quickly – all of which is pretty predictable and thus quite a boring procession to wait for eventually to see it happen – there is nothing going to happen that is not fully to be expected in all its pretty limited scope of events .
Now when the rest of tires is completely off , the rim will rest against the street’s tarmac and – sorry , again this is 100 % predictable – will provide a yet lower factor of adhesion and thus there is absolutely no question of what will happen : the engine having turned tires will also turn smaller diameter rims and will do so to at about any arbitrarily chosen rpm speed until with heating up the rims inevitably start to get red hot , or yellow hot , or white hot – absolutely predictable in its fixed relation between energy put in and color of glowing rims by still continuing turning of wheel on tarmac at certain fast or faster rpm speed .
All in all it’s a sad example of – of what ? fun ?
Well , if that’s what men do to cars for fun – then what will cars having gained cybernetic intelligence do to men for having fun ?
Just wondering ..
Ulrich Very impressive. Although I'm beginning to wonder why more and more youtube vids are preceded by ads for toilet paper and other toilet related things. Charmain is really pushing their brand..it is becoming annoying. As if bears use it.
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Ulrich Very impressive. Although I'm beginning to wonder why more and more youtube vids are preceded by ads for toilet paper
Very impressive. Although I'm beginning to wonder why more and more youtube vids are preceded by ads for toilet paper
Because they were the typically crappy ads?
Norm
Juniatha Well , if that’s what men do to cars for fun – then what will cars having gained cybernetic intelligence do to men for having fun ? Just wondering .. = J =
cruising around town and picking up chicks. Some things won't change.
JuniathaAll in all it’s a sad example of – of what ? fun ?
...Juniatha, you might want to lay off the Youtube...not exactly the best of humanity on there, at times... It's all fun and games until the heat sets the oil in the asphalt road on fire...
But that is a good point, AI cars with a sense of humor may be a bad thing...also consider the fact that these things may be quite easy to hack...with foreseeable consequences .
My first car had a very dark sense of humor. It left me stranded on ferries, bridges, and in the middle of busy intersections. But what the heck, it ate sparingly (only 10 bucks to fill the tank), and it looked good.
And may I draw the analogy to driverless trains?
Again, as far as I know, all rapid transit lines that tout automatic operation have an operator on board qualified to run the train manually in an emergency, and also close the doors at each station.
daveklepper And may I draw the analogy to driverless trains? Again, as far as I know, all rapid transit lines that tout automatic operation have an operator on board qualified to run the train manually in an emergency, and also close the doors at each station.
All that smart technology, and they still need a human on board. It would make more sense, then, to not waste money on the high tech stuff and let the human earn his/her keep by doing more than just opening the doors. He/she must be making at least 25K a year..at least.
The closed-circuit trains at ORD and several airport sky-trams have no operator on board at all. And they have run without any serious problems for years. It is just a matter of incremental improvements in technology and economics before the concept is expanded. The recent 3 train BNSF crash in Amarillo was with manned crews, but that didn't prevent the collision.
And then, maybe driverless is not such a bad thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24295975
Paul of Covington And then, maybe driverless is not such a bad thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24295975
Unless you make your living by driving a vehicle. Or in almost any other manner, too.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/smart-machines-job-article-1.1246522
Jeff
Going all the way back to the original topic (Horrors!!) and adding in the intermodal aspect, there's one intermodal port where the shipside-to-storage yard transporters are unstaffed and computer controlled, as are the cranes that run up and down the storage stacks (which are up to five boxes high.) The computer keeps track of future dispatch requirements so containers don't have to be dug out from under other containers.
However, the ship-to-shore cranes are operator controlled. Too many variables to permit computer control.
They never did show how the boxes got out of Dodge on the land side.
As for, How many operators on an aircraft? I just saw a news clip on a Houston-Seattle flight that made an emergency landing in Boise. The Aircraft Commander suffered a cardiac arrest. The Copilot ran the medical emergency checklist, a deadheading pilot slipped into the right seat and two MD passengers performed CPR. Boise had emergency responders at the aircraft as soon as it cleared the active. Even with that, the pilot died - but the passengers were only slightly inconvenienced by their late arrival in Seattle. Now, picture a single pilot plus automatia scenario...
June,
Conversation between the female pilot and the on-board AI of light starcraft C.P.V. Outsider.
S.B. In upper-class Londonese, while verifying umbilical connection and securing seat harness, "Home, Jymes."
Resident AI James Dean, "Immidjutly, yer lydieship."
In the Confederation Universe JD is well behaved. Sally is the rebel/outsider. Of course Outsider spends its down time parked among several hundred other light, high-performance starcraft, so James has plenty of of his/its peers for company.
Chuck
Johnny
Deggesty Ulrich What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile? A few years back, there was a movie (I do not remember its name) about a vicious car named "Christine." I saw only parts of it, but, as I remember, it was almost impossible to kill.
The name of the movie, and the Stephen King book from which it was made, is "Christine".
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
on Christine the Ferrari-red Plymouth Fury
The film was supposed to spin a story of the more mystical kind - what is regularly supposed to be lifeless material turns out to have a secret life of its own . Inherently , to an idea of life belong aspects of self-conscience and will . Computer for instance have an in-built ability to make calculations but lack any self-induced will to do any , no computer when idling starts to think like "gee , lately I was calculating that stress structure when I came across this strange question rising in the background , let's see what I can find out if and which way I can build a theory on the phenomenon by doing example calculations - ok , uhm , let's start by assuming ..." There are scientists working on evoking KI , as yet the race is open if eventually KI can be developed or if even the most advanced electronic 'brains' will remain void of own ideas , will and conscience . Personally I'm skeptical if it will happen because that will represent a fundamentally different quality than but increase of calculation power and complexity or capacity and speed of data files and files search etc to which improvements are presently confined . To date no signs for qualifications in the fields that define life have been realized .
The story of this film does not relate to independence of machinery or real emancipation from human control by KI but builds upon an underlying notion more sensitive people may have about "there is more to it than we learn in school or university" - thus relates to a deeply esoteric understanding of the world and things therein , basically regarding all things as alive at some level or other and thus also having feelings and will .
However , in view of such a delicate theme the film was a rather rough , simple and loud action plot , pretty soon slipping and dropping to base enough destruction action for excitements - totally missing more meaningful fine aspects of the topic . I would actually be inclined to say it near totally missed the subject .
What this allegedly 'alive' car did was more like the results of a badly messed up computerized auto-drive equipment might do - without any conscience of what it does or what that means . For instance if cameras and auto parking equipment interaction changes from regular 'avoid contact' mode to 'hit monitored target' then what happened in the film might be the result . Not at all if we look into what a car given life would do - I think it takes very little imagination to see *that* .
Regards
Juniatha
Possibly like the recent CTA Blue Line incident or the BMT Multi Broadway and Myrtle Avenue incident that I reported, but did not result in any injury to people or real equpment damage.
But does your computer ever do strange things that even an expert cannot explain? Mind you, I do not think it is the computer thinking for itself. I do believe there is a spiritual world, and i live in a part of the real world where it seems to manifest itself more readily for "things to go bump in the night."
Chewing gum song. Anyone remember all the words? "If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right?" Something like 'Does the Chicklets change its bedposts while you're sleeping overnight? If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right? Something like that.
And from there we go to my "Unified Field Theory of Religion:" The best approach to the Eternal is through the rituals of your particular ancestors.
MEMORY RESTORED: Will the Chicklets loose its flavor on the bedpost overnight?
If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right?
In case there has been too great a culture shift, Chcilets was (is?) a popular brand of chewing gum.
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