Juniatha Ullrich >> Don't try the GPS...it is like crack cocaine..<< Gee - that's why I risked to be uncool in teen years , a lot of things I never tried ..
Ullrich
>> Don't try the GPS...it is like crack cocaine..<<
Gee - that's why I risked to be uncool in teen years , a lot of things I never tried ..
Yeah, me too. There was no GPS or even crack to try when I was a teen. Being cool meant playing in the school band and after school sports, and listening to loud music sometimes. But somehow I never felt deprived... the kids today are wedded to their phones and Ipods, but miss out on so much in the way of personal interaction and the simple pleasures of life. Just mho.
Phoebe Vet Leo: What makes you believe that you have the right to tell me I can't use my cell phone when I am a passenger in a vehicle?
Leo:
What makes you believe that you have the right to tell me I can't use my cell phone when I am a passenger in a vehicle?
That's easy
I don't think I have the right and never suggested that I did. But if a majority of society does think along those lines, then it's certainly within the realm of fair play. I posed a partial solution to the problem. I didn't foolishly demand that my proposal be pushed on everyone else with no comment.
Like it or not, you can't do whatever the heck you please in any society. If certain actions are overly harmful to those around you, they have a right to lead for change. You have no more right to not expect that than I would to expect the whole country to do something just because I want them to.
Your rights don't trump everyone else's. Try talking on your cell phone next time you're in a airliner and let the stewardess see you and see how far you get. Especially if we're talking a minor inconvenience against what the statistics are telling us the damage from this practice is, I certainly think there's a strong argument here for a new way to combat this problem.
Rather or not my way is the best way, I don't know. It's just one plausible route they could take that I put forth.
Phoebe Vet Businesses thrived before the invention of the automobile, the airplane, computers, and even the telephone. What is your point?
Businesses thrived before the invention of the automobile, the airplane, computers, and even the telephone. What is your point?
PREACH IT, BRO!
Errr... ah... you were not agreeing with me, were you?
Ummm...
"MY" point is on the top of me punkin' haid.
Actually, it boils down to public safety... for example, I know where there is a field that I used to be able to wander around in it and nobody cared... now, if I do it, not only will people (with guns!) chase me, but the pilots of the 474's get really upset if I do, ever since they poured that concrete runway there. For the sake of safety, I am prohibited from doing whatever I want in that place. Just because your car will do 100 MPH, there are reasons to prohibit you from doing so just any ol' place you decide you want to do so.
If "WE" as cell phone users prove that we cannot be trusted to not use cell phones while driving, then WE as a society might have to develop some method of prohibiting a cell phone from working in a moving vehicle, even if that method causes the non-driver the inconvenience of not being able to use a cell phone. It kind of depends on what we as a society decide is worth more... our convenience or a life. We make those decisions all the time. Go play on a runway and you are a menace to society and you will get shot at and captured and locked away; speed down a residential street and you might get a $200 ticket, that a lot of people seem to ignore as being an inconvenient to mess with.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
I probably yell "Hang up and drive" at the windshield as much as anyone in here, and I do not live on the telephone. I can't believe I am on the side of the cell phone addicts in this discussion, but I have had the occasion where my wife has had to reach me when I was in the car. I do not believe in punishing everyone for the actions of the few, nor do I believe in outlawing technology because I don't like how someone else is using it. You should see how upset I get over speed bumps being installed in roads because some people speed.
Having spoken my mind I am withdrawing from this discussion.
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
On the flip side of the coin... look how many years elapsed, when businesses thrived and progress was made, BEFORE the invention of the cell phone. All those millions of people survived without instant access to business information, emergency calls, and playing Angry Birds. Why can't we spend a few moments throughout the day without suffering from "hand-ear adherency". (Just musing here... )
What makes you believe that you have the right to tell me I can't use my cell phone when I am a passenger in a vehicle? You would be surprised how many people engaged in emergency services use cell phones in vehicles. What makes a police officer safer using two way radios than citizens using cell phones? Would you prohibit the use of cell phones by passengers in all vehicles, or just passenger cars? How about delivery vehicles? How about Taxis, limousines, buses? Where do you draw your arbitrary line? How will my phone know if I am in my car or a Greyhound? Am I allowed to make business calls from the back seat of a taxi enroute to and from the airport? What if I am in the car enroute to a business meeting in another city and my wife needs to notify me of a family emergency back home, or just want's to tell me my meeting has been moved? I disagree with your overly simplistic solution.
Today , I can find my way out in the landscape or in the city without GPS , a map will help in a foreign city , but I found my way around in Moscow when I *did* have a map - and all secure back in the place where I stayed , too - *g* .
It helped a lot though I had run myself a quick crash course in Russian . One guy on a train even It supposed I might be from Samarkand . Back again , it was fun to read latin words cyrillic style - you wouldn't believe city names interpreted as if written in cyrillic - *g* !
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Phoebe Vet Can I presume you would exempt calls to 911? Would you make special devices for people involved in emergency services? Would you create a system for notifying traveling people of emergencies? How about the phones being used for GPS? What program do you propose to detect and prosecute people who have hacked their phones to over ride it? Why should we violate the phone use rights of passengers? Is it only two way communications or do you want to disable car radios, too? People who offer simple solutions have generally not thought the problem through. We, in America, have become accustomed to infringing the rights of everyone because a few people abuse them. It's easier to treat everyone like a criminal than it is to find the actual criminals.
Can I presume you would exempt calls to 911? Would you make special devices for people involved in emergency services? Would you create a system for notifying traveling people of emergencies? How about the phones being used for GPS? What program do you propose to detect and prosecute people who have hacked their phones to over ride it? Why should we violate the phone use rights of passengers? Is it only two way communications or do you want to disable car radios, too?
People who offer simple solutions have generally not thought the problem through. We, in America, have become accustomed to infringing the rights of everyone because a few people abuse them. It's easier to treat everyone like a criminal than it is to find the actual criminals.
With the widespread explosion in drivers that are texting and using their phone while operating a motor vehicle, I don't see how nitpicking would be necessary. Most all of that would easily be manageable.
-Exempt 911.
-Exempt emergency messages from public authorities.
-Allow GPS functions.
-Do people involved in emergency services even utilize their own cell phones and would they while traveling? Easily managed even if that's indeed the case.
-You don't need a method to prosecute individuals that violate this. The mere challenge of it would take away a huge swath of offenders. The most tech savvy of the bunch would still have law enforcement to contend with if they're spotted and those laws would remain on the books and hopefully be strengthened such as losing your modified phone or grandfathered phone if ticketed.
-Phone rights of passengers? What right do millions of motorist have to allow such distractions while they're operating a motor vehicle. That a passenger can't utilize their phone above a certain threshold is more than a fair trade off.
-Who said anything about radios let alone disallowing ones that only can receive (We're sure stretching for reasons why I'm wrong...)? I'm talking about cellular communications. Not CB radios, not radios installed in business vehicles, not radios installed in emergency vehicles, etc.
-It isn't a few that are abusing this. It's a mass epidemic.
Deggesty Dave, you speak the truth in your last paragraph. All too many people have failed to think through the consequences of their ideas, and have enacted laws and ordinances that weigh heavily on innocent people Also, not everybody uses a GPS device; I have not ever, and do not intend to--and my cellphone is not very intelligent, for I do not feel the need of such a telephone.
Dave, you speak the truth in your last paragraph. All too many people have failed to think through the consequences of their ideas, and have enacted laws and ordinances that weigh heavily on innocent people
Also, not everybody uses a GPS device; I have not ever, and do not intend to--and my cellphone is not very intelligent, for I do not feel the need of such a telephone.
I'm not exactly sure what the major burden a cellular phone not being operable in a moving vehicle is. Especially compared to the consequences we're dealing with now and the ineffectiveness of law enforcement to do any real good to combat it.
And you wouldn't need to use a GPS device. And your current phone would still operate like it always did. But future devices past a set date would have to have something built in that would detect what speed range disables most communication. It doesn't have to be GPS and even if it was, prices and the size have quickly fallen and it wouldn't even have to be user accessible for those that desire a more user friendly experience without frills.
Don't try the GPS...it is like crack cocaine..one try and you're hooked ( or so I hear...I have no personal experience with crack). Good for you though if you can do without it...15 years ago I didn't own a computer, today I couldn't function without one. I'm not quite as reliant on my cell phone. GPS (I'm in trucking) is a must for me now. Not having it would be akin to not having power steering..
Dave, you speak the truth in your last paragraph. All too many people have failed to think through the consequences of their ideas, and have enacted laws and ordinances that weigh heavily on innocent people.
Johnny
All they need to do to stop that woman that was talking on her cell phone is instead of futilty trying stop it by law enforcement is to mandate that manufacturers of these devices disable the device from sending or receiving when the GPS unit tells the software that it's traveling above a certain speed threshold.
Within five years of such a mandate, they'd probably have about 95% compliance since the device turnover rate is so quick these days and the percentage of users with the technical know how to circumvent such a thing is very small.
So a person could go bar hopping in their car, be all alone and ride in the passenger seat the whole time and not get a DWI? What about when you get a flat or it snows, or there is RF (radio inteference) that upsets the system?
I only read a few posts so I apologize if I repeat something someone else might have already said.
Modeling the "Fargo Area Rapid Transit" in O scale 3 rail.
zardoz zugmann BroadwayLion it would still be fully powered up and have plenty of air to maintain the brakes. Right, because locomotives never experience problems and shut down. Not true; it's only the UN-automated ones that fail enroute. As the HAL9000 computer so succinctly put it: "These kinds of problems have cropped up in the past, and they are always due to human error".
zugmann BroadwayLion it would still be fully powered up and have plenty of air to maintain the brakes. Right, because locomotives never experience problems and shut down.
BroadwayLion it would still be fully powered up and have plenty of air to maintain the brakes.
Right, because locomotives never experience problems and shut down.
As the HAL9000 computer so succinctly put it: "These kinds of problems have cropped up in the past, and they are always due to human error".
I had to go back a ways to find Lion's quoted post. You can almost bet the farm that if an automated train is held somewhere, it will be able to shut itself down while not in use. The railroads already use this technology, available as original factory options or after market additions. The idea is to save fuel.
One thing about these auto stop/start systems, they don't always work like they are supposed to. I've heard a number of times where engineers have had the auto stop shut down and then wouldn't restart, even manually. At least there was somebody on board that eventually resolved the problem.
Jeff
That's right Jeff, I would prefer driverless to having one of those boobs behind the wheel.
Yesterday, while deadheading by van to pick up our train in Omaha, I think I saw one of those vehicles that can drive itself. At least the woman driving was acting like it. Left hand holding the cell phone while the right hand was gesturing in the air. Nothing holding the wheel.
I wouldn't be surprised if half the drivers we encountered weren't talking or texting on some kind of electronic device. A few had "hands free" types, but what most don't understand is that you can get so engrossed in a phone conversation that having your hands on the wheel does little good when you have your head up your .
Modification to the Unified Theory: "Added to an ethical life, of course." Thanks. I expected to be called down on that one.
The ghosts in the machine. (I, Robot)
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daveklepper Possibly like the recent CTA Blue Line incident or the BMT Multi Broadway and Myrtle Avenue incident that I reported, but did not result in any injury to people or real equpment damage. But does your computer ever do strange things that even an expert cannot explain? Mind you, I do not think it is the computer thinking for itself. I do believe there is a spiritual world, and i live in a part of the real world where it seems to manifest itself more readily for "things to go bump in the night." Chewing gum song. Anyone remember all the words? "If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right?" Something like 'Does the Chicklets change its bedposts while you're sleeping overnight? If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right? Something like that. And from there we go to my "Unified Field Theory of Religion:" The best approach to the Eternal is through the rituals of your particular ancestors.
Possibly like the recent CTA Blue Line incident or the BMT Multi Broadway and Myrtle Avenue incident that I reported, but did not result in any injury to people or real equpment damage.
But does your computer ever do strange things that even an expert cannot explain? Mind you, I do not think it is the computer thinking for itself. I do believe there is a spiritual world, and i live in a part of the real world where it seems to manifest itself more readily for "things to go bump in the night."
Chewing gum song. Anyone remember all the words? "If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right?" Something like 'Does the Chicklets change its bedposts while you're sleeping overnight? If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right? Something like that.
And from there we go to my "Unified Field Theory of Religion:" The best approach to the Eternal is through the rituals of your particular ancestors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXp0i7Y1eVo
MEMORY RESTORED: Will the Chicklets loose its flavor on the bedpost overnight?
If you put it on the left side will you find it on the right?
In case there has been too great a culture shift, Chcilets was (is?) a popular brand of chewing gum.
on Christine the Ferrari-red Plymouth Fury
The film was supposed to spin a story of the more mystical kind - what is regularly supposed to be lifeless material turns out to have a secret life of its own . Inherently , to an idea of life belong aspects of self-conscience and will . Computer for instance have an in-built ability to make calculations but lack any self-induced will to do any , no computer when idling starts to think like "gee , lately I was calculating that stress structure when I came across this strange question rising in the background , let's see what I can find out if and which way I can build a theory on the phenomenon by doing example calculations - ok , uhm , let's start by assuming ..." There are scientists working on evoking KI , as yet the race is open if eventually KI can be developed or if even the most advanced electronic 'brains' will remain void of own ideas , will and conscience . Personally I'm skeptical if it will happen because that will represent a fundamentally different quality than but increase of calculation power and complexity or capacity and speed of data files and files search etc to which improvements are presently confined . To date no signs for qualifications in the fields that define life have been realized .
The story of this film does not relate to independence of machinery or real emancipation from human control by KI but builds upon an underlying notion more sensitive people may have about "there is more to it than we learn in school or university" - thus relates to a deeply esoteric understanding of the world and things therein , basically regarding all things as alive at some level or other and thus also having feelings and will .
However , in view of such a delicate theme the film was a rather rough , simple and loud action plot , pretty soon slipping and dropping to base enough destruction action for excitements - totally missing more meaningful fine aspects of the topic . I would actually be inclined to say it near totally missed the subject .
What this allegedly 'alive' car did was more like the results of a badly messed up computerized auto-drive equipment might do - without any conscience of what it does or what that means . For instance if cameras and auto parking equipment interaction changes from regular 'avoid contact' mode to 'hit monitored target' then what happened in the film might be the result . Not at all if we look into what a car given life would do - I think it takes very little imagination to see *that* .
Juniatha
Deggesty Ulrich What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile? A few years back, there was a movie (I do not remember its name) about a vicious car named "Christine." I saw only parts of it, but, as I remember, it was almost impossible to kill.
Ulrich What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile?
What if these smart driverless thingys aren't friendly? or even downright argumentative and hostile?
The name of the movie, and the Stephen King book from which it was made, is "Christine".
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