Great Lakes and Atlantic-Dream come true?

[Junctionfan]

What kind of room do I have for paralleling the NYS&W from Syracuse to Binghamton?

LC which way should I go from Binghamton in order to get towards New York area. Keeping in mind that I would like to have the option of easy access (includes the likely need to lay new track) to get to Trenton and Philadelphia?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Are you talking about the D&H line that runs between Binghamton and Scanton? Is it owned by anybody? Where is Suskie and what route (including cities) would you recommend I go? Does the tunnel except doublestacks?

It is owned by CP Rail as is all that remains of the D&H.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod

Last I looked, it was a relatively long way from Port Jervis to New York, and the only available lines that link them are NJT. Not much likelihood of new freight on the ex-Erie mains...

OM-

You neglect to realize that NS has trackage rights (as did Conrail) over the Tier all the way down through Suffern on to NJT Mainline to the Bergen County Line at Ridgewood Jct to Croxton Yard. Ran many a train that way myself. The freight flows just fine.

Andrew-

"Suskie" is slang for NYS&W.

LC

[Overmod]

Last I looked, it was a relatively long way from Port Jervis to New York, and the only available lines that link them are NJT. Not much likelihood of new freight on the ex-Erie mains...

[Junctionfan]

Are you talking about the D&H line that runs between Binghamton and Scanton? Is it owned by anybody? Where is Suskie and what route (including cities) would you recommend I go? Does the tunnel except doublestacks?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod

I, for one, would be infinitely fascinated to see how anyone gets down the "Deleware River" to New York from Binghamton.

I have to conclude that the New York City area is what you mean, because going 'from Binghamton to New York State' would be like going from Toronto south to Ontario in Canadian terms... rather difficult.

Delaware = Philadelphia
HUDSON = New York City

Delaware and Hudson = railroad intended in part to link the two

Suskie goes as close to NYC as you need; they also have a very interesting nearly-forgotten tunnel under the Palisades that AFAIK is still not used for anything (I last walked it in the late 1990s). You'll need to reconstruct some track between the Public Service plant on Overpeck Creek to get the line in service, but it's graded for double track over the meadows...

Very easy transfer to the West Shore line, too, if you are interested in terminal-end access over trackage rights.

OM-

You really need to look at a map. The Delaware River is reached from Binghamton by the Southern Tier Line by going over the mountain at Gulf Summit and follows the Delaware River east to Port Jervis. This is the route of the Erie Railroad main line and goes to New Jersey (mileposts are set to Jersey City) across the river (Hudson) from NYC. In the olden days ferries took passengers to NYC. No Philly involvement.

LC

[Overmod]

I, for one, would be infinitely fascinated to see how anyone gets down the "Deleware River" to New York from Binghamton.

I have to conclude that the New York City area is what you mean, because going 'from Binghamton to New York State' would be like going from Toronto south to Ontario in Canadian terms... rather difficult.

Delaware = Philadelphia
HUDSON = New York City

Delaware and Hudson = railroad intended in part to link the two

Suskie goes as close to NYC as you need; they also have a very interesting nearly-forgotten tunnel under the Palisades that AFAIK is still not used for anything (I last walked it in the late 1990s). You'll need to reconstruct some track between the Public Service plant on Overpeck Creek to get the line in service, but it's graded for double track over the meadows...

Very easy transfer to the West Shore line, too, if you are interested in terminal-end access over trackage rights.

[Junctionfan]

Thankyou for the advice. In that case I will have to build the line from scatch but that will happen in 3 years because it would be out of my budget and would negatively effect my fiscal planning. Unless the shareholders give me permission to stray from the budget, I have to wait in 2007/2008.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

....Anyways back to my railroad.

The company needs to start expanding and we need to go to New York. I propose a line that goes from Syracuse to Binghamton (might buy the existing NYSW line if available) and from Binghamton, travel along the Deleware River to New York (I think it will be parallel to NS). This will greatly expand our intermodal potential as well as general merchandise opportunities now to both New York, Binghamton and the other cities with rail demand along the way.

Andrew-

First make a service application (Mr. Chaaalie apply blake prease...), NYS&W's line from Syracuse to Binghamton is owned by various subdivisions of New York State. NYS&W is largely controlled by NS and CSX who paid a punishing amount of money to buy that influence. They won't sell to an outsider. Even if they did, the state would have to approve it.

Second, the NYS&W does not have a line east of Binghamton. That is the NS Southern Tier Line that NYS&W has trackage rights only over it. The NS is very touchy about the whole thing and then there are the issues with MN and NJT that operate commuter service on the line east of Port Jervis, NY.

LC

[Junctionfan]

I think the railroad is going to purchase a four unit double deck DMU from Colarado Railcar for $13.8 million US for the tourists. It is quite fuel efficient and it can fit a maximum of 776 passengers.

[Junctionfan]

....Anyways back to my railroad.

The company needs to start expanding and we need to go to New York. I propose a line that goes from Syracuse to Binghamton (might buy the existing NYSW line if available) and from Binghamton, travel along the Deleware River to New York (I think it will be parallel to NS). This will greatly expand our intermodal potential as well as general merchandise opportunities now to both New York, Binghamton and the other cities with rail demand along the way.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

I don't know. I think the Providence and Worchester or one of the 3 Guilford System railroads bought. Where does the line go?

Andrew-

Think research. The P&W is an independent publicly traded company. It is not now and never has been owned by Guilford.

LC

I know that LC. How in the blue heck did you manage to think that I said that the Providence and Worchester was part of the Guilford Systems?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

I don't know. I think the Providence and Worchester or one of the 3 Guilford System railroads bought. Where does the line go?

Andrew-

Think research. The P&W is an independent publicly traded company. It is not now and never has been owned by Guilford.

LC

[cpbloom]

Are there any full-length domes still around we can aquire?

[Junctionfan]

I don't know. I think the Providence and Worchester or one of the 3 Guilford System railroads bought. Where does the line go?

[Anonymous]

How much track did they own anyways, 3.6 Miles?

[Junctionfan]

Sure. Sneak it through so we don't get caught by L.C the regional FRA pain in the butt.[:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

Junctionfan: I can sell you some D&H Track- I already painted over all their boxcars-
[:D] [:D]

[Junctionfan]

Our company's plan over the next 2 years is to extend our lines into Colombus, Ohio for intermodal and general merchandise services. Also, the purchase of the Wisconsin Southern for the purpose of servicing the demands of the wood and wood products industry as well as the reintroduction of intermodal service in Green Bay.

The railroad has recently secured a contract with UPS to ship intermodal between Worchester Ma and Chicago. We are shipping waste from the Sydney tar ponds in Nova Scotia to Chicago for transfer to the ECDC Environmental via Union Pacific. We are shipping trash from Toronto to Michigan. We secured a contract for tourism shuttling between Toronto and Niagara Falls, Ontario and Buffalo to Niagara Falls.

Things are going great for the Great Lakes and Atlantic Railroad (at least on my layout)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

We'll see about that.

Yeah, I guess you're right, five days should be more than enough.

LC

[Junctionfan]

We'll see about that.

[Anonymous]

I'll be the Regional FRA Administrator. You can stay in business for a week.

LC

[Junctionfan]

I don't know if we can afford to buy them this year. I have already ordered 50 trash gondolas from Trinity for the Toronto/ Michigan run and I ordered 80 automax cars from Greenbrier for the assembly plant contracts.

What is the price of this?

[Overmod]

What else? Domes, domes, more domes, Alaska Railroad glass-top car, and a Skytop (I know where there are two available). Might be nice if Doyle McCormack's PA can be ready in time to pull the train (hint: we can subsidize some of the work and volunteer to help out if necessary) or else borrow the slantnose ACL 501 from NCTM.

[Junctionfan]

O.K, sounds good. What kind of equipment are we looking at?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a great idea.

[cpbloom]

I say we operate the Pittsburgh-Buffalo excursion in the fall so our passengers can take in and appreciate the Western PA. fall colors. I expect a great turnout since I'm going to run a full page ad in Trains Magazine.

[Junctionfan]

No but I do have a port in Toledo, Chicago and Montreal for train/ship lifts.

[Anonymous]

I am In for the sales department...Do you have a Tug and Barge Department?

[jchnhtfd]

Junction -- I love this thread!

The Ogdensburgh & Lake Champlain was picked up by the Central Vermont, and then went to the Rutland. Then various others... come to think of it, you probably do already own what's left of it!

The old junction at Rouse's Point, New York (the Adirondack stops there for customs) is an interesting place, if you're interested in bygones -- and an amazing amount of the track is still there. Used to be a junction between the Rutland/O&LC, CN, CP, Delaware & Hudson, and Central Vermont! Busy place! Go there now and you'll have to wake the Customs folks up if you're after about 8:00 PM...