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QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman Andrew: ever concidered being more diligent about how you feel? For example: Next personm who complains or laughs at me, just simply won't wake up tommorow, period. People who argue over spelling know they can't compete with your argument so they must compete another way, the classic.. oh, can't beat that.. so i'll be a basterd about how he spelt stuff it's happened to me more then a few times; And wathc out Many railroaders, NOT INCLUDING myself get bull headed about the Job they do, you know who "HINT, HINT" and they feel compeled that they are going to teach you somehting just because they've been around longer- Trust me you have to be like a red squirrel- they are bigger then you, but you can beat them- jsut run and don't look back- ever When I first started working on the AMT's, i had loud mouth engineers- who thought they've been there 67 years and were going to teach me the world in a sarcastic rude manor- but they were too preocupied, teaching me my job, they forogt to do theres, heres an example- an engineer was reading me the book in an idioc way, "bull headed" as i call it- Now i know my Rules like the back of my hand- so here he was clammering on, while passing a yellow signal- i waited five secondes then pulled them emergency break- AS I AM instructed to do. Did that 3 times in one run- they guy shut up, and i taught him a lesson in the end- do your job, i'll do mine. get what i'm trying to say?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Andrew, Hope this helps....There is nothing you can say to me that will make me mad....only I have final control over that aspect of my character. The same can be said of you,..I am sure. The web is a big place, and is full of all kinds of people. I've been around it for a long time, and I can tell you that the type of person who readilly resorts to insults, especially in debate,...usually isn't very bright, and often resorts to the technique when their intellect is near exhaustion. If ever there was a valid instance in saying 'consider the source', this would be one. Typically the fountains of insults tend to erupt when folks run out of cognizant argument, but are too stupid to simply shut up. I take it from your post, that the insults really bother you. If such is the case, by far the most effective way to shut them down is to simply ignore them. Because usually half the "fun" enjoyed by an insult artist comes from their ability to get under your skin, and get you "going"....And absent that, there is no fun in it. I'm a little different, I suppose, because the insults themselves don't make me mad, rather I just get irritated with the prospect of the party spewing the insults, enjoying themselves just a little too much. You know? fooling themselves that they might be clever? Being the hard headed *** that I am, once such a person has drawn first blood, I'm not above returning the favor in effort to burst their little bubble.... in the fine spirit of "one-upsmanship" .but that's just me.... Your best bet, if it really bothers you, is to simply ignore them, and spoil all their fun....
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Andrew, Hope this helps....There is nothing you can say to me that will make me mad....only I have final control over that aspect of my character. The same can be said of you,..I am sure. The web is a big place, and is full of all kinds of people. I've been around it for a long time, and I can tell you that the type of person who readilly resorts to insults, especially in debate,...usually isn't very bright, and often resorts to the technique when their intellect is near exhaustion. If ever there was a valid instance in saying 'consider the source', this would be one. Typically the fountains of insults tend to erupt when folks run out of cognizant argument, but are too stupid to simply shut up. I take it from your post, that the insults really bother you. If such is the case, by far the most effective way to shut them down is to simply ignore them. Because usually half the "fun" enjoyed by an insult artist comes from their ability to get under your skin, and get you "going"....And absent that, there is no fun in it. I'm a little different, I suppose, because the insults themselves don't make me mad, rather I just get irritated with the prospect of the party spewing the insults, enjoying themselves just a little too much. You know? fooling themselves that they might be clever? Being the hard headed *** that I am, once such a person has drawn first blood, I'm not above returning the favor in effort to burst their little bubble.... in the fine spirit of "one-upsmanship" .but that's just me.... Your best bet, if it really bothers you, is to simply ignore them, and spoil all their fun.... I guess you are right there. I was brought up that you should treat others the way you would want to be treated and if you don't have anything nice to say to someone than you shouldn't say anything at all. I'm trying to learn from people and if I don't understand, I keep on asking until I do. Did it in school with some subjects because if I didn't than my alternative was to fail. I don't recall any of my teachers insulting me for doing it either. There are those who have the knowledge but it's hard to listen to someone's response if one sentence is the learning part and the other sentence is an insult-the learning process has effectively been spoiled and that's unfortunate.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal There does seem to be a collection of some here who get uncomfortable with certain topics being bandied about, maybe because in the course of free discussion someone somewhere might actually come across a solution to a problem and then the whole apple cart is turned over, e.g. change in the status quo can cause stress. It doesn't matter what the subject is: Changes to Amtrak (and all the subtopics e.g. M & E, LD's vs NEC, subsidies, etc), open access, competitive access, re-regulation, complete deregulation, mergers, break ups of existing merged companies, time saving innovations, fuel saving innovations, even off topic subjects like increasing trucks' GVW, all these have in common at least one person on this forum who wishes the topic would just go away. And because they disagree with you, they will say you are WRONG SO WE SHOULD JUST KILL THE TOPIC, or IT WAS TRIED BY SOME DOOMED RAILROAD LIKE THE ROCK ISLAND A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT DIDN'T WORK THEN SO IT WON'T WORK NOW, or IT DOESN'T WORK IN GREAT BRITAIN SO THAT PROVES IT WON'T WORK HERE, or EVERYONE WHO SAYS ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAVELERS RIDE AMTRAK ARE LIARS AND ARE ONLY "SO-CALLED RAILFANS" NOT REAL RAILFANS, or my favorite IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF BREAKING UP THE CURRENT RAIL OLIGARCHY YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A COMMUNIST IN CAPITALIST'S CLOTHES. No problem was ever solved by repressing debate, so what ever you do don't let the naysayers intimidate you. If need be go back and do some fact checking from time to time to make sure your arguments are on the right track, but otherwise keep up the lively debate!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan If you don't like it, you too don't have to respond. Rather than coming across as a jerk, wouldn't be more diplomatic to hold your tongue from the insults. It's a good thing you don't work for the U.N otherwise WWIII would have happened a long time ago with that attitude. For those who want to trade insults, I will try to ignore. HOWEVER....I may be 25, but I have a really dark streak in me that comes out once in a while and if you really want to do verbal abuse with other people in the forum, you may find that I can be even more cruel and cold than the devil. I'm not proud of it but I will not take people's crap just because they think they can talk to me however way they think they can. I am nobody's fool. Either talk to me in a civl tongue or just shut the hell up. It makes no difference to me what you do for a living; a jerk is a jerk whatever hat he or she has on. I slept on this last night and the one thing that jumped out was why should I tolerate people insults day after day? I haven't before so why should I start now?
QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal There does seem to be a collection of some here who get uncomfortable with certain topics being bandied about, maybe because in the course of free discussion someone somewhere might actually come across a solution to a problem and then the whole apple cart is turned over, e.g. change in the status quo can cause stress. It doesn't matter what the subject is: Changes to Amtrak (and all the subtopics e.g. M & E, LD's vs NEC, subsidies, etc), open access, competitive access, re-regulation, complete deregulation, mergers, break ups of existing merged companies, time saving innovations, fuel saving innovations, even off topic subjects like increasing trucks' GVW, all these have in common at least one person on this forum who wishes the topic would just go away. And because they disagree with you, they will say you are WRONG SO WE SHOULD JUST KILL THE TOPIC, or IT WAS TRIED BY SOME DOOMED RAILROAD LIKE THE ROCK ISLAND A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT DIDN'T WORK THEN SO IT WON'T WORK NOW, or IT DOESN'T WORK IN GREAT BRITAIN SO THAT PROVES IT WON'T WORK HERE, or EVERYONE WHO SAYS ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAVELERS RIDE AMTRAK ARE LIARS AND ARE ONLY "SO-CALLED RAILFANS" NOT REAL RAILFANS, or my favorite IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF BREAKING UP THE CURRENT RAIL OLIGARCHY YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A COMMUNIST IN CAPITALIST'S CLOTHES. No problem was ever solved by repressing debate, so what ever you do don't let the naysayers intimidate you. If need be go back and do some fact checking from time to time to make sure your arguments are on the right track, but otherwise keep up the lively debate! some of what you mentioned has been discused...and has been showen that it WONT WORK.... its not so much that someone wants the subject killed becouse they dont like the subject...its more a matter of wanting it killed becoues stupid people insist on beating a dead horse mentality... people that think they have all the anwswers and think they have every angle covered keep forgetting the major point ....REALITY!!!! thier ideas and ways of thinking might sound great on paper..but in the REAL WORLD (REALITY) they have been tried and have failed..or have already been proposed and have failed befor they ever got off the drawing board.... but to keep trying to attack it from all angles..only to have the ideas shot down..time and time agin...gets old... thats the point here... one can only tell someone so many times befor they get POed and just tell you to shove it and drop the idea... csx engineer
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QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal There does seem to be a collection of some here who get uncomfortable with certain topics being bandied about, maybe because in the course of free discussion someone somewhere might actually come across a solution to a problem and then the whole apple cart is turned over, e.g. change in the status quo can cause stress. It doesn't matter what the subject is: Changes to Amtrak (and all the subtopics e.g. M & E, LD's vs NEC, subsidies, etc), open access, competitive access, re-regulation, complete deregulation, mergers, break ups of existing merged companies, time saving innovations, fuel saving innovations, even off topic subjects like increasing trucks' GVW, all these have in common at least one person on this forum who wishes the topic would just go away. And because they disagree with you, they will say you are WRONG SO WE SHOULD JUST KILL THE TOPIC, or IT WAS TRIED BY SOME DOOMED RAILROAD LIKE THE ROCK ISLAND A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT DIDN'T WORK THEN SO IT WON'T WORK NOW, or IT DOESN'T WORK IN GREAT BRITAIN SO THAT PROVES IT WON'T WORK HERE, or EVERYONE WHO SAYS ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAVELERS RIDE AMTRAK ARE LIARS AND ARE ONLY "SO-CALLED RAILFANS" NOT REAL RAILFANS, or my favorite IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF BREAKING UP THE CURRENT RAIL OLIGARCHY YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A COMMUNIST IN CAPITALIST'S CLOTHES. No problem was ever solved by repressing debate, so what ever you do don't let the naysayers intimidate you. If need be go back and do some fact checking from time to time to make sure your arguments are on the right track, but otherwise keep up the lively debate! some of what you mentioned has been discused...and has been showen that it WONT WORK.... its not so much that someone wants the subject killed becouse they dont like the subject...its more a matter of wanting it killed becoues stupid people insist on beating a dead horse mentality... people that think they have all the anwswers and think they have every angle covered keep forgetting the major point ....REALITY!!!! thier ideas and ways of thinking might sound great on paper..but in the REAL WORLD (REALITY) they have been tried and have failed..or have already been proposed and have failed befor they ever got off the drawing board.... but to keep trying to attack it from all angles..only to have the ideas shot down..time and time agin...gets old... thats the point here... one can only tell someone so many times befor they get POed and just tell you to shove it and drop the idea... csx engineer .......blah blah blah blah blah blah was discussed blah blah blah......blah blah blah WONT WORK blah blah........blah blah blah REALITY (sic)!!!! blah blah blah blah been tried blah blah blah blah blah ideas shot down blah blah blah........ blah blah blah........ gets old gets POed blah blah blah shove it.... Is that the gist? The question I have is if these topics get you all riled, why not just ignore them? You can only have a conversation so far before some element of insecurity takes hold and causes a blow up. I think Junction Fan's whole point is that you don't need to be insulting, and if you only have limited information or a total reliance on a personal bias to explain a view, then you have to expect a proponent of that view to ask for a more detailed reason for your opposition to that view. Just constantly saying IT WONT WORK when common sense, theoretical constructs, number crunching, and the desire to tackle a percieved problem head on all say that IT JUST MIGHT WORK if only someone will let it work, or at least let it evolve into a workable solution to some degree, is not providing what should be demanded in discussing these topics, which is to exhaust all possibilities before someone's idea is dismissed. Your two cents worth are certainly taken into consideration, but beyond that you really should defer to a larger body of knowledge rather than making yourself judge and jury and pronouncing sentence. Otherwise, you may just end up suppressing someone's idea that might someday make a huge improvement to some sector of the entire railroading genre.
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