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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:53 PM

SO!

To come back to the Civil War era.  What would reconstruction have been like had not Lincoln been assinated?

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Posted by John WR on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:21 PM

I don't know about reconstruction had Lincoln not be short.  But I wonder if the building of the Union Pacific and Central Pacific Railroads would have been different.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:41 PM

What would Reconstruction have been like if Lincoln not been assassinated?  Oh brother, historians have been puzzling over that one for decades.  Would he have had the clout to put through his humane policies, or been impeached by the Radical Republicans like Andrew Johnson was?  We just don't know.  We'll never know.

One thing is certain:  John Wilkes Booth probably did more long-term damage to the South than Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan combined.  

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:46 PM

Firelock76

What would Reconstruction have been like if Lincoln not been assassinated?  Oh brother, historians have been puzzling over that one for decades.  Would he have had the clout to put through his humane policies, or been impeached by the Radical Republicans like Andrew Johnson was?  We just don't know.  We'll never know.

One thing is certain:  John Wilkes Booth probably did more long-term damage to the South than Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan combined.  

Tactical success - strategic failure

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Posted by John WR on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:01 PM

Firelock76
Would he have had the clout to put through his humane policies, or been impeached by the Radical Republicans like Andrew Johnson was?

Wayne,  

Clairvoyance is not my strong suit so I avoid predicting "what if" to impossible situations.  But I have to believe that the guy who presided over wining the Civil War would have been more than a match for any radical Republicans who choose to challenge him.  

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:22 PM

John WR

Firelock76
Would he have had the clout to put through his humane policies, or been impeached by the Radical Republicans like Andrew Johnson was?

Wayne,  

Clairvoyance is not my strong suit so I avoid predicting "what if" to impossible situations.  But I have to believe that the guy who presided over wining the Civil War would have been more than a match for any radical Republicans who choose to challenge him.  

John

And the thing that really gets overlooked by most, Andrew Johnson despite being the VP, was not of Lincoln's party, so without Lincoln he was just so much fresh meat.  The saying that politics make strange bedfellows was never truer.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:54 PM

Balt, it wan't even a tactical success on Booth's part.  The crazy SOB  wound up dead and his name lives in infamy.

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Posted by John WR on Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:50 PM

BaltACD
Andrew Johnson despite being the VP, was not of Lincoln's party, so without Lincoln he was just so much fresh meat.  The saying that politics make strange bedfellows was never truer.

You are right, Balt.  As I recall, Abe Lincoln was not at all confident he would win in 1864.  He and the war were not popular in his own day.  He added Andrew Johnson to the ticket in an effort to attract Democratic votes, especially Free Soil Democratic votes.  Whether or not it got any Democrats to vote for a Republican or even sit on their hands and not vote at all I don't know.

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Posted by John WR on Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:53 PM

Firelock76
his name lives in infamy.

Wayne,  

In the dictionary next to the word "infamy" there is a picture of John Wilkes Booth.  He shows how a crazy person can alter history.  

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:42 PM

John WR

BaltACD
Andrew Johnson despite being the VP, was not of Lincoln's party, so without Lincoln he was just so much fresh meat.  The saying that politics make strange bedfellows was never truer.

You are right, Balt.  As I recall, Abe Lincoln was not at all confident he would win in 1864.  He and the war were not popular in his own day.  He added Andrew Johnson to the ticket in an effort to attract Democratic votes, especially Free Soil Democratic votes.  Whether or not it got any Democrats to vote for a Republican or even sit on their hands and not vote at all I don't know.

John

I understand that the ticket that won the election in 1864 was called the "Union Ticket," which made it possible for a Republican and Democrat to run on the same ticket.

After the surrender of all of the Conderate armies, many Republicans more or less screamed, "The South caused the war,so they must pay for it" (just as "Germany caused the Great War of 1914-18, and had to pay for it"). As a result, even though the war was officially ended, the North continued to attack the South until after Rutherford Hayes was elected, and the occupying troops were withdrawn.

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Posted by John WR on Friday, March 1, 2013 11:24 AM

Deggesty
After the surrender of all of the Conderate armies, many Republicans more or less screamed, "The South caused the war,so they must pay for it"

But of course after the American Civil War ended the south didn't have much left to pay for the war with.  

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Posted by dmoore74 on Friday, March 1, 2013 3:56 PM

Hayes actually lost the popular vote in 1876.  A special electoal commission of Congress with a Republican majority awarded him all the disputed electoral votes and he became President with an electoral vote majority of 1 vote.  http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/rutherfordbhayes  Part of the deal making for those electoral votes was to withdraw the last of the occupying troops from the South.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, March 1, 2013 4:49 PM

John WR

Firelock76
his name lives in infamy.

Wayne,  

In the dictionary next to the word "infamy" there is a picture of John Wilkes Booth.  He shows how a crazy person can alter history.  

John

You're kidding?  Really?  

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Posted by John WR on Friday, March 1, 2013 7:39 PM

Would I kid you?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, March 1, 2013 9:27 PM

John WR

Would I kid you?

Nah!

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