Hold the phone, CP isn't already boasting mostly GE power?
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Murphy Siding Mr. Railman Here's a tiny update... Sounds like He's going to spend more money on new GEs, instead of continuing the uopgrade on the SOO SD60s AND the reintroduction of the SD90-43MACs. Sounds like sooner than later the CP will be boasting mostly General electric power, while the identity of the SOO Line and the DM&E slowly crumble. Just how much do you think the identity of the Soo line and DM&E add the the bottom line?
Mr. Railman Here's a tiny update... Sounds like He's going to spend more money on new GEs, instead of continuing the uopgrade on the SOO SD60s AND the reintroduction of the SD90-43MACs. Sounds like sooner than later the CP will be boasting mostly General electric power, while the identity of the SOO Line and the DM&E slowly crumble.
Here's a tiny update...
Sounds like He's going to spend more money on new GEs, instead of continuing the uopgrade on the SOO SD60s AND the reintroduction of the SD90-43MACs. Sounds like sooner than later the CP will be boasting mostly General electric power, while the identity of the SOO Line and the DM&E slowly crumble.
I guess with some, 'image' is more important than the bottom line.
And, to top it all up, if GE power is better for the bottom line then I see it as fine....
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mudchicken HH is safe for now. "He" is only hated, not loathed.
HH is safe for now. "He" is only hated, not loathed.
I think someone is on the verge of loathing....
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There is no perfect railroad president. Some are very good, some have ideas that are better left in their heads than applied in the field. Wayne Johnston was president of the ICRR from 1945 to 1967. He increased the size of the ICRR and made it one of the great railroads of America. His predecessor William Johnson '67 to '69 was the man responsible for bankrupting the REA express. The UPS of its day. His philosophy was to dismantle as much of the ICRR as possible by divesting the secondary lines. This was done by providing poor service and then after the customers went to trucks, abandon the lines. This idea was also carried on by Alan Boyd. This may have been good for the stockholders, but it was a disaster for the railroad.
AgentKid zardozProgress is always change, but change is not always progress. Amen, brother. I hesitate to bring it up, but I have been wondering about this for a week or so. EHH and Bill A. have said that the release of the "big" plan for CP will be delayed from mid-October to early December. That would put the release date past the one year point of Bill A.'s announcement that he had taken a position in CP. I'm no securities expert, but would that then enable him to turn this whole thing into a "pump and dump" and sacrifice the CPR and EHH in the process? And he will be the only one to make any money in the process. Bruce
zardozProgress is always change, but change is not always progress.
Amen, brother.
I hesitate to bring it up, but I have been wondering about this for a week or so.
EHH and Bill A. have said that the release of the "big" plan for CP will be delayed from mid-October to early December. That would put the release date past the one year point of Bill A.'s announcement that he had taken a position in CP. I'm no securities expert, but would that then enable him to turn this whole thing into a "pump and dump" and sacrifice the CPR and EHH in the process? And he will be the only one to make any money in the process.
Bruce
It's one year since he bought stock, but it's not one year since his people have had the ability to make changes(Date of the annual stockholder's meeting). At this point I doubt that he could get enough of a premium over his purchase price to be worthwhile. He needs to get the price higher, say around $90, and he needs to get the company's P/E ratio right so that just his selling doesn't drive the price lower.
I don't think so. The long term viability of CP is not tied to what any one shareholder does.. he may decide to dump his shares and that would likely cause others to sell too..but over the long term the share price will continue to reflect the true value of the property. Ackman's involvement with CP is really of know concern to me... as a shareholder I'm more interested in the metrics and how well the people who are running the company are performing.
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
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So, if HH figures out how to work it, we can have the HHHB principle and no longer need diesels?
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That's right...and progress or no progress, people generally don't like change. I'm not a big fan of change either unless there's a payoff involved. The trouble with change sometimes is that the people who have to make the changes aren't the one's who get a direct payoff... i..e." we're going to lay YOU off so that the railway can run more efficiently".. So change breeds fear, and fear breeds anger, resentment, and even hatred. That's especially true if you've got a few decades invested and you're within striking distance of retirement..who wants to go through change then? Not many do, unless you're supremely confident and capable...sort of like Harrison himself. Otherwise, duck, take cover, and lay low, and hopefully the changes won't nail you before you retire.
Ulrich ... Its not so much that people don't like him, it's that they don't like change.
... Its not so much that people don't like him, it's that they don't like change.
I like Hunter Harrison. He got CN on the right track and now he's doingthe same for CP... Its not so much that people don't like him, it's that they don't like change.
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Murphy Siding What if a hobo posts that he hates graffiti?
What if a hobo posts that he hates graffiti?
zardoz Ulrich Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it. But what if the post is about hating hobos or graffiti? Or what if it's about hating someone who hates someone who hates hobos? Or...
Ulrich Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it.
Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it.
Or what if it's about hating someone who hates someone who hates hobos?
Or...
CNSF - thank you for the informative and knowledgeable posting.
These decisions are made based on facts, reason, experience, knowledge, projections, etc. They're not whimsical.
I can only wish people would realize that before they fly off the handle. Are the decisions ever wrong? Of course some are wrong. No one has pefect knowledge. But such decisions are based on the best judgement of the available facts at the time.
It has become wearisom reading emotional postings from people who attack without understanding or knowledge.
Well I think it's safe to say that the Holiday trains will run this year. The local organizations have been notified of the dates and approximate times of their stops.
WC#3000 Yes its true. Reality might be slightly different.. Canadian Pacific General Order A-17 (US East and West Regions) August 17, 2012: "GCOR Rule 6.29.2 added to as follows: When a train stops enroute, a walking and/or roll by inspection of as much of the train as is possible must be made as time and conditions permit. This does not apply to passenger trains. Note: The objective, to ensure their train is in good order, with no obvious evidence of hazardous conditions. Inspections are not to be performed between adjacent main tracks or sidings. Information provided by the Train Dispatcher relating to the expected delay is to be used to determine how much may be inspected without delaying the train. If such information is not provided, crews should request same from the Train Dispatcher."
Yes its true. Reality might be slightly different..
Canadian Pacific General Order A-17 (US East and West Regions) August 17, 2012:
"GCOR Rule 6.29.2 added to as follows:
When a train stops enroute, a walking and/or roll by inspection of as much of the train as is possible must be made as time and conditions permit. This does not apply to passenger trains.
Note: The objective, to ensure their train is in good order, with no obvious evidence of hazardous conditions. Inspections are not to be performed between adjacent main tracks or sidings. Information provided by the Train Dispatcher relating to the expected delay is to be used to determine how much may be inspected without delaying the train. If such information is not provided, crews should request same from the Train Dispatcher."
We've got the same rule change here, nearly word for word. If the dispatcher says the delay is 30 minutes, then you walk for 15 minutes, turn and come back. Also, the crew knows what is happening if the train(s) they are meeting are within radio range.
That system doesn't let a DS change his mind, does it?
On one hand, the rules allow dismounting moving equipment to speed up operations, and on this other hand, you are taking the conductor far away, making it impossible if conditions change and warrant giving a train an early light. Maybe they should put cabooses (vans in Canadienspeak?) back on the road trains?
Walk your train one way, hop on the caboose. Next stop, hop off and walk the train back to the engines.
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coborn35 cptrainman Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire. Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them. Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see. All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today. Well now hold on a second. I think you need to clarify some things. You are talking about canadian GP38's I presume as every one I know loves the SOO GP38-2's. Pull hard, dont slip easily like the GP40's, and are in good shape.
cptrainman Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire. Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them. Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see. All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today.
Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire.
Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them.
Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see.
All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today.
Well now hold on a second. I think you need to clarify some things. You are talking about canadian GP38's I presume as every one I know loves the SOO GP38-2's. Pull hard, dont slip easily like the GP40's, and are in good shape.
Yes I clarify. Canadian GP 38's. Traction motors cut out, db inoperative, constant wheel slip. All normal. However, today I had a couple of good ones.
zugmann If you know you are going to "x" to meet a train, then the conductor could drop off a mile beforehand, and let the train roll by. Then he could walk to the head end. Doesn't allow for options for the dispatcher to change his/her plans, though.
If you know you are going to "x" to meet a train, then the conductor could drop off a mile beforehand, and let the train roll by. Then he could walk to the head end.
Doesn't allow for options for the dispatcher to change his/her plans, though.
That clears it up for me...thanks..
Your going to X to meet 192 - should be a headlight meet. ie. you don't have time to inspect!
Your going to Y to meet 460 - 462 & 464 - 464 is still working at Z. ie inspect to your hearts content.
Todays single track operations do not have the closely spaced, short sidings that existed a generation or two ago. Depending up the carrier and the territory, sidings are nominally 8000 to 10000 feet in length and spaced every 15 to 30 miles. It is not unusual for 'inferior' trains to be stopped for a hour or more in making train meets. Many train meets are dictated more by train length than they are by train priority - at least one of the trains must be able to fit in siding. Not all sidings have the same length and many sidings have road crossings which further limit they effectiveness to the Train Dispatcher.
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