As a current CP employee I along with the other people who work for CP have felt the change being brought by HH but its nothing we should've been surprised by. The man has an idea of how things should be run and so forth. Some people dont like him others like his bold goals being set. With running longer trains then normal he's saving dwell on cars and also saving crews/loco's. It's been a big change from when i hired out, personally welcome the change and am excited what may come about down the road before he steps down as CEO
My obsservation about the beer is from dealing with certain customers who do not want to go with bracing their product inside a shipping container for rail shipment. Schneider bought a fleet of short trailers that can be loaded to full cubic space capacity to eliminate the need for bracing beer loads.
Works for trucking, but I don't see very many 43ft rail containers. And hauling beer from eastern micro-breweries out to the west coast was certainly a nice break from the usual routine of running southeast US into the northeast.
Jeff2006 It's been a big change from when i hired out, personally welcome the change and am excited what may come about down the road before he steps down as CEO
It's been a big change from when i hired out, personally welcome the change and am excited what may come about down the road before he steps down as CEO
That's the spirit, Jeff. When everybody in the industry has your positive, can-do attitude, the transition from the bad old days -- when the rails were going down, with no help in sight -- will be complete.
Who would have dared say 20 years ago -- even 10+ years after Staggers, and 20 years after Amtrak had taken passengers off their hands -- that the rails would be where they are today? Contrarily, who today would bet AGAINST the rails still being vital in 50 or 100 years?
It's taken a lot of bold industry leaders -- as well as faithful operating people -- to get the rails where they are today, and H.H. is one of them. There is simply no reason in the historical record to think he will do less with CP than he did with IC and CN.
beaulieu Where did WCL have an Intermodal terminal in New Brighton?
Where did WCL have an Intermodal terminal in New Brighton?
Space was rented from the Minnesota Commerical- as I recall it was about as successful as the Chippewa Falls ramp.
Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire.
Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them.
Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see.
All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today.
Your headline, "I Hate Hunter Harrison", really detracts from your post. i'm surprised that the forum moderators let it stand.
Ulrich Your headline, "I Hate Hunter Harrison", really detracts from your post. i'm surprised that the forum moderators let it stand.
What rule does the title violate? It seems to have gotten people's attention and evoked quite a bit of substantive comment overall in the thread.
The rule of commonsense ... I haven't stated that there hasn't been substantive comment...just saying that the thread's inflammatory title hasn't helped that cause. Besides, it sounds silly..
cptrainman Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire. Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them. Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see. All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today.
Well now hold on a second. I think you need to clarify some things. You are talking about canadian GP38's I presume as every one I know loves the SOO GP38-2's. Pull hard, dont slip easily like the GP40's, and are in good shape.
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Any truth to the rumors about new rules, like making the conductor do a walking inspection of his train at meets? I'd hate to be the dispatcher there:
"changed my mind, I'm going to run you now."
"Hold on, my conductor is 80 cars back!"
They have no faith in their defect detectors?
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That doesn't sound plausible... more likely it's a visual inspection of the other train as it goes by. That would make more sense and would probably even be a good idea. The defect detectors can't pickup some things that a conductor can spot.. no need to tell you that I'm sure.
Ulrich That doesn't sound plausible... more likely it's a visual inspection of the other train as it goes by. That would make more sense and would probably even be a good idea. The defect detectors can't pickup some things that a conductor can spot.. no need to tell you that I'm sure.
No, not a roll-by. As I recall talking to a CN employee, they had the same walking rule (under EHH leadership).
Well that's interesting.. .would really be hell in the winter on some remote stretch of track..on one of those 12000 ft. long distributed power trains.
Just what I heard from a reliable source... just curious if it is true or not.
Yes its true. Reality might be slightly different..
Canadian Pacific General Order A-17 (US East and West Regions) August 17, 2012:
"GCOR Rule 6.29.2 added to as follows:
When a train stops enroute, a walking and/or roll by inspection of as much of the train as is possible must be made as time and conditions permit. This does not apply to passenger trains.
Note: The objective, to ensure their train is in good order, with no obvious evidence of hazardous conditions. Inspections are not to be performed between adjacent main tracks or sidings. Information provided by the Train Dispatcher relating to the expected delay is to be used to determine how much may be inspected without delaying the train. If such information is not provided, crews should request same from the Train Dispatcher."
Seems a little vague to me...it would be hard to do a roll by when the train is stopped... and who determines "as much of the train as is possible"? If the weather is really bad can the conductor say "no..I'm not going to walk the train today". I don't know...this might not be such a great rule...although the net result might be alot of skinny conductors.
If you know you are going to "x" to meet a train, then the conductor could drop off a mile beforehand, and let the train roll by. Then he could walk to the head end.
Doesn't allow for options for the dispatcher to change his/her plans, though.
zugmann If you know you are going to "x" to meet a train, then the conductor could drop off a mile beforehand, and let the train roll by. Then he could walk to the head end. Doesn't allow for options for the dispatcher to change his/her plans, though.
Your going to X to meet 192 - should be a headlight meet. ie. you don't have time to inspect!
Your going to Y to meet 460 - 462 & 464 - 464 is still working at Z. ie inspect to your hearts content.
Todays single track operations do not have the closely spaced, short sidings that existed a generation or two ago. Depending up the carrier and the territory, sidings are nominally 8000 to 10000 feet in length and spaced every 15 to 30 miles. It is not unusual for 'inferior' trains to be stopped for a hour or more in making train meets. Many train meets are dictated more by train length than they are by train priority - at least one of the trains must be able to fit in siding. Not all sidings have the same length and many sidings have road crossings which further limit they effectiveness to the Train Dispatcher.
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That clears it up for me...thanks..
coborn35 cptrainman Well, of course there are going to be people mad at EHH because of the changes he is making at CP. People get comfortable and resist change. Myself, I welcome a stronger RR that will continue to provide me with employment until I retire. Regarding those old SD 40s. Get rid of them. Having run CP's old SD 40s, I can personally state that they are a maintenance headache. They are too old and the parts are harder and harder to come by. Most parts are refurbished. I have never run a SD40 or GP38 that is all in working condition. There is always something wrong them. Aside from that, the question whether EHH is cutting too far was also the question at CN. Unhappy customers may become normal but I believe they can live with a little less service if the price is right. I can atest that CN is doing it right. I see daily how much traffic CN has taken from CP over the years and the quarterly reports prove what I see. All these reports of dissatisfied customers maybe true, but the RR and their customers all have one thing in common. It's all about the money. If CNs marketing people can bid on a contract that is 10% to 20% less in cost than CP, which way will the customer go? Of course they will go to CN and put up with a little less service. The proof is there for all to see today. Well now hold on a second. I think you need to clarify some things. You are talking about canadian GP38's I presume as every one I know loves the SOO GP38-2's. Pull hard, dont slip easily like the GP40's, and are in good shape.
Yes I clarify. Canadian GP 38's. Traction motors cut out, db inoperative, constant wheel slip. All normal. However, today I had a couple of good ones.
That system doesn't let a DS change his mind, does it?
On one hand, the rules allow dismounting moving equipment to speed up operations, and on this other hand, you are taking the conductor far away, making it impossible if conditions change and warrant giving a train an early light. Maybe they should put cabooses (vans in Canadienspeak?) back on the road trains?
Walk your train one way, hop on the caboose. Next stop, hop off and walk the train back to the engines.
WC#3000 Yes its true. Reality might be slightly different.. Canadian Pacific General Order A-17 (US East and West Regions) August 17, 2012: "GCOR Rule 6.29.2 added to as follows: When a train stops enroute, a walking and/or roll by inspection of as much of the train as is possible must be made as time and conditions permit. This does not apply to passenger trains. Note: The objective, to ensure their train is in good order, with no obvious evidence of hazardous conditions. Inspections are not to be performed between adjacent main tracks or sidings. Information provided by the Train Dispatcher relating to the expected delay is to be used to determine how much may be inspected without delaying the train. If such information is not provided, crews should request same from the Train Dispatcher."
We've got the same rule change here, nearly word for word. If the dispatcher says the delay is 30 minutes, then you walk for 15 minutes, turn and come back. Also, the crew knows what is happening if the train(s) they are meeting are within radio range.
Well I think it's safe to say that the Holiday trains will run this year. The local organizations have been notified of the dates and approximate times of their stops.
CNSF - thank you for the informative and knowledgeable posting.
These decisions are made based on facts, reason, experience, knowledge, projections, etc. They're not whimsical.
I can only wish people would realize that before they fly off the handle. Are the decisions ever wrong? Of course some are wrong. No one has pefect knowledge. But such decisions are based on the best judgement of the available facts at the time.
It has become wearisom reading emotional postings from people who attack without understanding or knowledge.
Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it.
Ulrich Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it.
Or what if it's about hating someone who hates someone who hates hobos?
Or...
zardoz Ulrich Just to be clear..its okay to post that you hate someone...but anything about hobos or graffiti is off limits... Got it. But what if the post is about hating hobos or graffiti? Or what if it's about hating someone who hates someone who hates hobos? Or...
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