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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:00 AM

I spent some time AGAIN studying the images of Galesburg, Illinois and FINALLY found where I was sure a roundhouse existed.

IL Galesburg  40°56'22.89"N  90°21'59.81"W

And entering the whole address from Paul's post (just did a copy and paste of everything in the last line after the words "Go to") took me right to the roundhouse and turntable.  That makes it EASY! Thanks.

LA New Orleans  29°54'58.16"N  90° 6'19.80"W

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:08 AM

The next batch:

OH Akron  41° 03' 47" N  81° 27' 26" W
OH Ashtabula  41°52'15.99"N  80°48'1.23"W
OH Bellevue  41°16'37.09"N  82°49'57.46"W
OH Brewster  40°42'57.16"N  81°36'19.76"W
OH Canton  40°46'10.92"N  81°24'51.94"W
OH Cleveland  41°26'40.16"N  81°38'22.73"W
OH Cleveland  41°28'29.48"N  81°40'32.86"W
OH Columbus  39° 54' 35" N  82° 59' 02" W
OH Crestline  40°47'2.06"N  82°45'13.94"W
OH Dayton  39°46'1.99"N  84°10'0.82"W
OH Hamilton  39°23'15.47"N  84°33'19.43"W
OH Lima  40°43'23.72"N  84° 6'21.82"W
OH Lima  40°44'48.17"N  84° 6'5.67"W
OH Lorain  41°26'11.64"N  82° 8'44.49"W
OH Marion  40° 35' 25" N  83° 09' 03" W
OH Mingo Jct  40°18'15.66"N  80°36'59.37"W
OH Portsmouth  38°44'30.64"N  82°57'2.44"W
OH Riverside  39° 5'3.65"N  84°34'49.14"W
OH Sharonville  39° 16' 04" N  84° 25' 06" W
OH Toledo  41°36'42.10"N  83°31'4.20"W
OH Willard  41° 3'42.08"N  82°43'50.61"W
OH Youngstown  41° 7'55.35"N  80°41'7.80"W

OK El Reno  35°32'21.85"N  97°56'55.53"W
OK Muskogee  35°45'41.87"N  95°21'29.40"W
OK Oklahoma City  35° 27' 22" N  97° 29' 48" W

ON, Canada Capriol  46°42'48.19"N  80°55'52.94"W
ON, Canada Ft. Erie  42°55'34.06"N  78°55'26.42"W
ON, Canada Rideau Junction, Ottawa  45°20'21.12"N  75°42'34.57"W
ON, Canada Sarnia  42°57'23.16"N  82°23'41.22"W
ON, Canada Toronto  43° 48' 09" N  79° 14' 45" W
ON, Canada Toronto  43° 38' 27" N  79° 23' 09" W

OR Ashland  42° 11' 55" N 122° 42' 19" W
OR Eugene  44° 03' 60" N 123° 07' 40" W
OR Klamath Falls  42°13'7.75"N 121°46'11.58"W
OR Portland  45° 29' 28" N 122° 38' 45" W
OR Portland  45° 38' 58" N 122° 41' 10" W

Oxfordshire, UK Didcot  51°36'53.63"N   1°14'43.40"W

PA Altoona  40°32'11.79"N  78°22'52.17"W
PA Altoona  40°33'1.22"N  78°22'6.14"W
PA Altoona  40°30'50.00"N  78°24'2.09"W
PA Bethlehem  40° 37' 10" N  75° 24' 39" W
PA Carbondale  41°34'39.87"N  75°30'3.45"W
PA Clifton Forge  37°48'36.21"N  79°50'9.34"W
PA Connellsville  40° 0'23.49"N  79°35'39.66"W
PA Conway  40° 30' 04" N  80° 14' 31" W
PA Dickerson Run  40° 2'53.02"N  79°39'58.09"W
PA Enola  40° 17' 43" N  76° 55' 37" W
PA Erie  42° 7'36.98"N  80° 3'36.58"W
PA Lackawanna  42°48'50.72"N  78°50'10.57"W
PA Lewistown  40°35'13.62"N  77°35'12.32"W
PA Monroeville  40° 26' 05" N  79° 48' 12" W
PA New Castle  40°58'6.32"N  80°22'8.15"W
PA Orbisonia  40°14'25.27"N  77°54'0.21"W
PA Philadelphia  39° 55' 43" N  75° 12' 29" W
PA Port Clinton  40°34'53.72"N  76° 1'36.74"W
PA Scranton  41° 24' 26" N  75° 40' 16" W
PA Sharpsville  41°15'57.96"N  80°28'14.64"W
PA West Pittston Jct  41°21'9.30"N  75°48'1.89"W
PA Wilkes-Barre/Kingston  41°15'48.75"N  75°54'12.32"W

Panama Colon   9°20'56.01"N  79°53'59.29"W
Panama Panama   8°59'30.10"N  79°35'12.64"W

Peru Chosica  11°56'3.61"S  76°41'29.04"W
Peru Lima  12° 2'23.97"S  77° 2'19.84"W
Peru San Bartolome  11°54'14.66"S  76°30'57.71"W

Poland Brzezinka  50° 2'43.55"N  19°12'8.91"E
Poland Warsaw  52°17'10.43"N  21° 1'5.43"E

PRC Datong,  40° 6'49.25"N 113°16'39.30"E

QC, Canada Charny  46° 42' 25" N  71° 16' 19" W
QC, Canada Montreal  45° 28' 59" N  73° 32' 56" W
QC, Canada Montreal  45° 28' 02" N  73° 40' 25" W

Romania Alexandru cel Bun  47° 9'59.42"N  27°33'50.34"E
Romania Azaclau  45°26'29.56"N  28° 3'55.06"E
Romania Bucuresti  44°27'38.70"N  26° 3'25.13"E
Romania Bucuresti  44°26'59.00"N  26° 3'53.18"E
Romania Buzau  45° 8'34.25"N  26°50'27.10"E
Romania Constanta  44° 9'57.72"N  28°34'36.20"E
Romania Mangalia   43°49'34.70"N  28°34'50.58"E
Romania Medgidia  44°15'12.18"N  28°16'23.65"E
Romania PaÅŸcani  47°15'8.62"N  26°43'45.57"E

Russia Moscow  55°46'29.20"N  37°34'22.98"E
Russia Moscow  55°46'51.26"N  37°39'10.80"E

There, that'll keep ya busy!

 

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Posted by beaulieu on Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:49 PM

A few to add to your list;

Vitznau, Switzerland - Rigibahn  turntable only, rack for cogwheel equipped, 2 tracks - cross pattern

47° 00' 33.69" North   8° 28' 57.75" East

 

Bellinzona, Switzerland  - Swiss Federal Railway (SBB) San Paolo Yard  turntable only

46° 12' 11.84"  North   9° 2' 12.17"  East

 

Landquart, Switzerland - Rhätische Bahn (RhB) Roundhouse with turntable

46° 57' 50.60" North   9° 33' 20.39" East

 

Geneva, Switzerland  -  Swiss Federal Railways (SBB)  Cornavin station turntable only

46° 12' 53.84"  North   6° 08'  31.93"  East

 

Erstfeld, Switzerland - Swiss Federal Railways (SBB) Traverser

46° 49' 06.91"  North  8° 39' 01.99"  East

 

Olten, Switzerland - Swiss Federal Railways (SBB)  Main Car Shops

Traverser  47° 21' 39.14" North  7° 54' 56.16" East

Turntable  47° 21' 42.80"  North  7° 55' 03.04" East

 

Realp, Switzerland - Dampf Furka Bahn (historic Steam railway) Turntable former roundhouse.

46° 35' 36.62" North   8° 30' 01.04" East

 

Spiez, Switzerland - Bern -Lötschberg - Simplon Railway (BLS) main shops  traverser only

46° 40' 51.98"  North  7° 41' 10.92"  East

 

There are probably many more in Switzerland if you are interested.

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:28 PM

beaulieu

A few to add to your list;

Vitznau, Switzerland - Rigibahn  turntable only, rack for cogwheel equipped, 2 tracks - cross pattern

47° 00' 33.69" North   8° 28' 57.75" East

 

Bellinzona, Switzerland  - Swiss Federal Railway (SBB) San Paolo Yard  turntable only

46° 12' 11.84"  North   9° 2' 12.17"  East

 

Landquart, Switzerland - Rhätische Bahn (RhB) Roundhouse with turntable

46° 57' 50.60" North   9° 33' 20.39" East

 

Thanks...

But I have some questions to get the city names right...  I name my findings by the nearest city name that Google Earth puts screen and I have found that I am wrong often because the place is really associated with some other city that may not be the closest.  I realize that city boundaries are often intertwined and confused and  that Google Earth may label some suburbs that may not be truely associated with the site I am looking at. (And sometimes Google Earth is just plain wrong!)

The 1st one you have listed as being Vitznau and I can find that name on Google Earth, but it is associated with the station adjacent to the turntable and a metropolitan area to the north.  The city names that appear nearest the station are: Seemli and Hinterbach.

The 2nd one is closer to Pedemonte and Bollette.

I would have associated the 3rd one with Igis.

Can you shed any light on how you came up with the names.

 

BTW: if anyone wants to use the coordinates as they appear in the posting, you may have to shorten the compass direction names to just the first letter ("N" for North, etc.).  Google Earth works for me that way, but did not like the full compass direction name.

 

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Posted by beaulieu on Monday, August 29, 2011 12:20 AM

Semper Vaporo

 

 

 

 

Thanks...

But I have some questions to get the city names right...  I name my findings by the nearest city name that Google Earth puts screen and I have found that I am wrong often because the place is really associated with some other city that may not be the closest.  I realize that city boundaries are often intertwined and confused and  that Google Earth may label some suburbs that may not be truely associated with the site I am looking at. (And sometimes Google Earth is just plain wrong!)

Depends on how you want to list them, based on how they are really named in Switzerland or upon a system generated by Google Earth, which appears to be based on Hamlets which are not officially recognized as a political subdivision in Switzerland. In Switzerland it goes down like this Canton (State), Bezirk or depending on language (District), Commune, Gemeinde, Kreis, Stadt (Municipality or City).

The 1st one you have listed as being Vitznau and I can find that name on Google Earth, but it is associated with the station adjacent to the turntable and a metropolitan area to the north.  The city names that appear nearest the station are: Seemli and Hinterbach.

Vitznau is the Gemeinde (Municipality) governing all of the Canton of Luzern east of Weggis. Seemli and Hinterbach are hamlets that would be known to locals, but do not have any legal existence.

Gemeinde Vitznau

The 2nd one is closer to Pedemonte and Bollette.

Similar problem here. Bellinzona exists and is the capital of the Canton of Ticino. I don't find any official reference to the other two.

I would have associated the 3rd one with Igis.

Here the situation is different. Igis is the correct Gemeinde (Municipality). Landquart comes from the hamlet (unofficial), Bezirk (District -official), and railroad name for the location. Remember the District is the intermediate level of government, above the Gemeinde. I believe the railroad name predates the area being annexed into Igis.

It might be best to label this one as RhB Landquart Shops, Igis, Switzerland.

Can you shed any light on how you came up with the names.

 

BTW: if anyone wants to use the coordinates as they appear in the posting, you may have to shorten the compass direction names to just the first letter ("N" for North, etc.).  Google Earth works for me that way, but did not like the full compass direction name.

 

Notice that I added more locations to my original posting. There are likely many more in Switzerland that I can look up.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, August 29, 2011 8:42 AM

Thanks again!  I hunted all over Switzerland and only found 2 (neither of which you listed!)

I think I have found another one, adjacent to another one (only a few car lengths away).  It appears to have been built to turn longer cars and to not have to shut down the roundhouse to rebuild that one.  Do you know if this is true?

The Roundhouse is at:

Switzerland Delemont  47°21'47.47"N   7°21'33.33"E

The 2nd (larger) one is just a couple of carlengths West Southwest of it.

 EDIT:

Switzerland Delemont  47°21'46.69"N   7°21'30.93"E

That makes TWELVE in Switzerland!  Maybe it is just because the images of Switzerland on Google Earth are particularly clear, but all the RR properties (the roundhouses in particular) are very clean and well maintained.

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Posted by beaulieu on Monday, August 29, 2011 12:54 PM

Semper Vaporo

That makes TWELVE in Switzerland!  Maybe it is just because the images of Switzerland on Google Earth are particularly clear, but all the RR properties (the roundhouses in particular) are very clean and well maintained.

Cleanliness is SOP for Switzerland. There are still many separate railway companies in Switzerland each of which has its own maintenance facility all of which need to be checked.

Here is another one

Meiringen, Switzerland - Zentralbahn

Turntable 46° 43' 36.85" N    8° 11' 10.36" E

Transfer Table   46° 43' 37.98 N  8° 10' 54.46" E

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, August 29, 2011 2:05 PM

Too few left to break it into two lists... So here are the rest of them:

SA, Australia Mount Gambeir  37°49'42.33"S 140°45'58.73"E

SC Florence  34°12'5.20"N  79°45'38.13"W

SD Aberdeen  45° 27' 52" N  98° 29' 47" W
SD Edgemont  43°18'12.62"N 103°49'16.07"W
SD Huron  44° 21' 57" N  98° 12' 21" W
SD Mitchell  43° 42' 27" N  98° 01' 35" W
SD Rapid City  44° 4'37.87"N 103°12'25.28"W

SK, Canada Moose Jaw  50° 23' 16" N 105° 32' 15" W
SK, Canada Sutherland  52° 8'17.16"N 106°35'48.52"W

Slovakia Bratislava  48°10'0.07"N  17° 7'6.81"E

South Hampshire, UK Exbury  50°48'12.66"N   1°23'59.24"W

Spain Nueva Segovia  40°55'50.14"N   4° 6'54.19"W

Switzerland Belinzona  46°12'11.90"N   9° 2'12.09"E
Switzerland Berne  46°57'0.78"N   7°25'38.23"E
Switzerland Delemont  47°21'46.69"N   7°21'30.93"E
Switzerland Delemont  47°21'47.47"N   7°21'33.33"E
Switzerland Erstfeld  46°49'6.91"N   8°39'1.99"E
Switzerland Geneva 46°12'53.84"N 6°08'31.93"E
Switzerland Landquart  46°57'50.63"N   9°33'20.38"E
Switzerland Meiringen  46°43'38.00"N   8°10'54.49"E
Switzerland Meiringen  46°43'36.85"N   8°11'10.37"E
Switzerland Naters  46°19'12.80"N   7°59'50.74"E
Switzerland Olten  47°21'39.14"N   7°54'56.16"E
Switzerland Olten  47°21'42.80"N   7°55'3.04"E
Switzerland Realp  46°35'36.62"N   8°30'1.04"E
Switzerland Renen  46°32'1.37"N   6°35'19.21"E
Switzerland Spiez  46°40'51.98"N   7°41'10.92"E
Switzerland Vitznau  47° 0'33.70"N   8°28'57.77"E

TN Bruceton  36° 2'45.55"N  88°14'30.77"W
TN Chattanooga  35° 03' 37" N  85° 15' 01" W
TN Chattanooga  35° 2'58.75"N  85°16'55.83"W
TN Knoxville  36° 2'12.87"N  83°49'2.46"W
TN Memphis  35° 04' 13" N  90° 04' 15" W
TN Nashville  36° 05' 31" N  86° 45' 09" W

TX Amarillo  35° 11' 43" N 101° 49' 44" W
TX Amarillo  35°12'33.61"N 101°48'33.78"W
TX Dalhart  36° 4'16.17"N 102°30'53.53"W
TX Denison  33°46'9.15"N  96°34'22.53"W
TX El Paso  31° 45' 23" N 106° 29' 45" W
TX El Paso  31°46'25.02"N 106°28'7.67"W
TX Fort Worth  32°45'4.61"N  97°19'22.50"W
TX Fort Worth  32°47'22.16"N  97°20'43.96"W
TX Fort Worth  32°43'41.20"N  97°22'2.23"W
TX Grapevine  32°55'59.24"N  97° 4'47.75"W
TX Houston  29° 44' 41" N  95° 20' 25" W
TX Marshall  32°33'4.60"N  94°21'33.32"W
TX Maydelle  31°48'5.55"N  95°18'4.86"W
TX San Antonio  29°26'8.70"N  98°28'25.93"W
TX Temple  31° 5'45.35"N  97°20'58.17"W
TX Waco  31°34'30.19"N  97° 6'7.68"W
TX Wichita Falls  33°54'49.84"N  98°29'12.18"W

UT Midvale  40°37'11.37"N 111°54'24.02"W
UT Ogden  41° 13' 35" N 111° 58' 59" W
UT Ogden  41° 12' 47" N 111° 59' 07" W
UT Salt Lake City  40° 47' 22" N 111° 54' 29" W
UT West Jordan  40°35'34.55"N 111°59'40.39"W

VA Montrose  37°30'38.85"N  77°24'48.51"W
VA Norfolk  36° 52' 26" N  76° 18' 59" W
VA Roanoke  37°16'28.13"N  79°55'50.46"W
VA Roanoke  37°16'23.57"N  79°56'6.91"W
VA Roanoke  37°16'49.28"N  79°58'15.24"W
VA Roanoke  37°16'48.29"N  79°58'35.42"W

VT Burlington  44°28'14.25"N  73°13'9.83"W

WA Auburn  47° 18' 06" N 122° 13' 48" W
WA Pasco  46° 13' 41" N 119° 05' 03" W
WA Seattle  47° 39' 12" N 122° 22' 55" W
WA Spokane  47° 40' 24" N 117° 19' 35" W
WA Tacoma  47°14'32.06"N 122°25'44.02"W
WA Yakima  46° 34' 22" N 120° 30' 10" W

WI Altoona  44°48'32.13"N  91°25'57.46"W
WI Fond du Lac  43°49'3.68"N  88°28'32.05"W
WI Fond du Lac  43°48'40.72"N  88°28'41.12"W
WI Green Bay  44°31'59.11"N  88° 1'3.99"W
WI Green Bay  44°30'50.44"N  88° 1'51.46"W
WI Janesville  42°38'54.79"N  89° 0'29.54"W
WI Janesville  42°40'40.53"N  89° 2'4.73"W
WI La Crosse  43°49'51.23"N  91°15'8.82"W
WI Madison  43° 06' 22" N  89° 21' 41" W
WI Stevens Point  44° 30' 47" N  89° 34' 04" W
WI Superior  46° 43' 16" N  92° 06' 56" W

WV Elkins  38°55'29.23"N  79°51'7.95"W
WV Fairmont  39°29'45.46"N  80° 7'37.71"W
WV Grafton  39°20'24.18"N  80° 1'19.85"W
WV Hinton  37°40'39.42"N  80°53'11.25"W
WV Martinsburg  39°27'30.31"N  77°57'35.85"W
WV Martinsburg  39°27'33.40"N  77°57'36.44"W
WV McMechan  39°59'46.15"N  80°44'1.72"W
WV Williamson  37°39'50.59"N  82°16'7.93"W

WY Caspar  42°51'20.18"N 106°19'23.85"W
WY Cheyenne  41° 7'47.49"N 104°48'54.81"W
WY Cheyenne  41° 8'12.52"N 104°50'3.86"W
WY Evanston  41° 16' 20" N 110° 58' 16" W
WY Sheridan  44°48'38.32"N 106°57'4.39"W

YT, Canada Whitehorse  60°43'29.16"N 135° 3'12.40"W

 

 

A-the-a, a-the-a, -a-the-a... That's all Folk's!

 

After a few days for more additions and/or corrections, I'll consolidate it all and make both a Google Earth KMZ file and an Excel spreadsheet available (links to files on the web).

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, August 29, 2011 3:54 PM

Here, courtesy of the C&O Historical Society, is a list of turntables that existed on the C&O.  I hope it helps (and that people will assist you with similar listings from other railroads).

Indiana:

Peru, Muncie

Kentucky:

Ashland, Allen, Pikeville, Wayland, Mt. Sterling, Netherland, Louisville, Russell (2), Maysville, Stevens, Covington.

Ohio:

Cincinnati, Cheviot, Columbus (Parsons, SE of town), Marion, Walbridge (SE of Toledo), Toledo, Logan, Nelsonville, Pomeroy.

Virginia:

Phoebus, Richmond (both at Fulton and 17th Street), Dillwyn, Charlottesville, Waynesboro, Clifton Forge (2), Lynchburg, New Castle, Hot Springs, Covington, Alleghany.

West Virginia:

Ronceverte, Marlinton, Hinton, Stone Cliff, Meadow Creek, Nallen, Gauley Bridge, Handley, Pratt, Charleston, Huntington, Kingston, Danville, Madison, Sproul, Whitesville, Peach Creek (Logan), Taplin.

This list was dated 1935; I suspect that most, if not all, of these would have lasted into the 1950s.

As for Ohio, I'd be surprised if you couldn't find something around Bellefontaine.

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Posted by AndrewDickey on Monday, August 29, 2011 4:05 PM

In NY -

At 41 16 07.47 N 73 46 51.04 W in Yorktown Heights.  There was a turntable on the Putnam Division of the New York Central.  There was also a small rail yard.  This is where most of the commuter trains for the division turned.  It's now a historical display, but if you go back in time you can see the old turntable pit.

At approximately 41 11 35.64 N 3 53 18.02 W in Croton-on-Hudson, NY.  There were two turntables for the New York Central's Harmon yard where steam was removed and replaced with electric for the ride into Manhattan.  The land where the turntables and roundhouses were was sold to a developer a while back and townhouses built over the area.  There is no trace of the turntables.

There was also a turntable in Poughkeepsie, NY - but I don't know the location.

Nice project you have going.

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Posted by pepper378 on Monday, August 29, 2011 7:46 PM

OR Portland  45° 29' 28" N 122° 38' 45" W
OR Portland  45° 38' 58" N

122° 41' 10" W

The first one is the current home of SP4449 and SPS700. They'll be moving shortly though, as UP needs the space they're in.

The second coordinate is actually in Vancouver, WA, just a bit north of Portland, OR.

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Posted by choo-choo-wayne on Monday, August 29, 2011 8:52 PM

43-33-12N  and 96-43-13W will bring up the 2-stall roundhouse of the IC in Sioux Falls,SD.  It's now an auto parts yard.  Turntable gone.

Milwaukee had a nice large roundhouse and turntable just across the river to the NW.  Unfortunately indigents managed to burn it to the ground one cold winter night  a few years ago.  The city was planning to save it.

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Posted by Jim in Fla on Monday, August 29, 2011 10:12 PM

Three turntables on the Long Island Rail Road:

NY   Greenport   41° 05' 57.26N   72° 21' 50'' W

NY   Jamaica   40° 41' 46.46N   73° 49' 23.90''W

 Turntable & roundhouse both still in service, transfer table missing

NY   Oyster Bay   40°52'29.04'' N   73° 31' 42.92''W

I think these were the only turntables on the post WW II LIRR, most places had a wye for turning.

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Posted by beaulieu on Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 PM

Nuremberg, Germany  - DB - 2 half roundhouses side by side with turntables, first one the leads are electrified for electric locomotives

49° 24'  50.26" N  11° 05'  17.16" E

The second is used for diesels

49° 24' 47.89" N  11° 05' 22.83" E

 

Hamburg-Wilhelmstadt - DB mostly abandoned

53° 30' 40.90" N  10° 00' 23.32" E

Hamburg-Eidelstedt Freight Yard Roundhouse with turntable, notice the long building for servicing ICE high-speed trainsets immediately to the south.

53° 36' 28.84" N  9° 52' 52.78" E

Meiningen, Germany - DB  Roundhouse with turntable

50° 34' 25.79" N  10° 25' 17.60" E

Meiningen, Germany - DB Steam locomotive works -home of DB's operating steam collection and one of the most capable steam workshops in the Western World. Roundhouse with turntable

50° 34' 54.21" N  10° 25' 09.79" E

Hanau, Germany - DB remains of two roundhouses each with a turntable one above the other

50° 06' 54.33" N  8° 56' 28.92" E

Neuenmarkt-Wirsberg, Germany - German National Steam Museum, Roundhouse with Turntable

50° 05' 37.50" N  11° 34' 54.93" E

Bremen, Germany - DB remains of two Roundhouses with Turntables

53° 05' 08.85" N  8° 48' 33.94" E

Lübeck, Germany - DB Roundhouse with Turntable filled in.

53° 51' 45.77" N  10° 39' 30.48" E

Rostock, Germany - DB Roundhouse with Turntable

54° 04' 52.00" N  12° 08' 46.39" E

Wismar, Germany - DB Remains of Roundhouse with Turntable

53° 53' 50.65" N  11° 28' 07.32" E

Kiel, Germany - DB Roundhouse with Turntable

54° 18' 25.32" N  10° 07' 40.02" E

Stralsund, Germany - DB THREE Roundhouses with Turntables

54° 17' 56.85" N  13° 05' 07.68" E

Szczecin, Poland - PKP Roundhouse with Turntable

53° 24' 58.93" N  14° 33' 45.22" E

Leipzig, Germany - DB Two side by side Roundhouses with Turntables

51° 21' 10.19" N  12° 23' 20.04" E

       Remains of third Roundhouse with Turntable here

51° 21' 04.13" N  12° 24' 01.35" E

Riesa, Germany - DB Remains of Complete circular Roundhouse with Turntable

51° 18' 28.04" N  13° 16' 47.04" E

Dresden, Germany - DB Roundhouse with Turntable

     1st one    51°02' 07.58" N  13° 42' 31.92" E

     2nd one  51° 02' 21.03" N  13° 42' 42.25" E

 

Ulm, Germany - DB Roundhouse with Turntable, remains of two more

48° 24' 16.74" N  9° 58' 14.65" E

 

Probably every German city of any significance that I didn't mention has at least one, except Stuttgart and Munich which have been extensively remodeled.

That's all for tonight!

 

 

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Posted by ogre427 on Monday, August 29, 2011 11:39 PM

I don't see the roundhouse and turntable in Chadron, NE. on the list. It has been purchased and it and the line to it has received a grant to make upgrades to put it back into service as a contract railroad equipment facility.

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Posted by SheldonLWfan on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:10 AM

There was once a turntable at the Louisville, GA end of the Louisville & Wadley Railroad, at approximately:

32 59 44.77N  82 24 33.60W

Based on research by Steve Flanigan and published in the Cental of Georgia Railway Historical Society's "The Right Way," the turntable existed into the late 1940s.  Flanigan wrote, "In 1948, a wye was built at a cost of around $900.00, and the deteriorated turntable, pit and spur were torn up."

The turntable is depicted on an undated Sanborn map copy segment I got from Steve some years ago. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by bigduke76 on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:45 AM

i note that you list only ONE turntable/roundhouse in mexico, presumably the one at the yard north of mexico city.. i live near guadalajara in the winter, and noted when they tore down the old NdeM roundhouse in guadalajara about 10 years ago - AND REPLACED IT WITH A BRAND-NEW 24 STALL ROUNDHOUSE AND A NEW, LONGER TURNTABLE AT THE EXACT SAME SPOT!    miracles will never cease!  it's southheast about a kilometer from the passenger station.  i'm pretty sure the one at san luis potosi is still in use, and i've visited several others in my searches for mexican steam locomotives.  (J.David Conrad lists 101 in his 'directory', but i can't find 12 of those.  however, i've found 16 that he doesn't mention!)    -arturo

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Posted by Trainrev on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:36 PM

There was one in Walla Walla. All that's visible are ash pits, etc. and a radial pattern. Try 46.070957,-118.354517

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Posted by Trainrev on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:44 PM

I should say concerning the Walla Walla, WA, remains that they are visible on the ground, but not so much by satellite.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:20 PM

Lots to catch up on!

CShaveRR: Thanks.   I not only found some more, but found a mistake in my list because of your list.  The mistake was that I had Clifton Falls as being in PA, not VA, so PA lost one and VA gained TWO (as I found a 2nd one not far from the one I already had).  As for the majority of the towns/cities in your list, I often found little or no evidence that a RR ever existed there!  Some places are so small and on the side of a hill/mountain and have no room that I can see, to have anything level enough and wide enough to hold a turntable!  (Unless maybe the engine was stood on one end, twisted 180-degrees and then layed back down to face the other way!  Big Smile )  A couple of the names would not resolve to a town or city on Google Earth, it would zoom out to a several hundred square mile area.

AndredDickey:  Thanks.  Found the one at Yorktown Heights, but at Croton-on-Hudson there is just absolutely nothing to be found.  The earliest historical image seems to be just after the majority of the housing was built.  But in the looking around due to your post, I found evidence of a Roundhouse is Salamaca.

Pepper378: Thanks.  Already had the Brooklyn RH in Portland, but have now added the TT in Vancouver.

choo-choo-wayne:  Thanks,  Added them both!

Jim_In_Fla: Thanks.  Added all 3.  I can see what I believe to be the transfer table and associated buildings in the historical views, So I have added that too.

Beaulieu: Thanks! WOW... lots to add.  Interesting sets of 3 roundhouses.

ogre427: Thanks, it is there now!  I actually had it in my Google Earth file, but apparently missed transferring it to my Excel file, which I am posting from.

SheldonLWfan: Thanks, but sorry, I cannot find any evidence of exactly where a Turntable or Roundhouse was.  I can't even find any evidence of RR right of way anywhere in the area.  The closest RR I can find is 7.5 miles to the southwest.

bigduke76: Thanks, that adds two more.  Are you saying that you have info on 101+ others?

Trainrev: Thanks.  How close do you think your coordinates are to the center of the turntable was?  If I strain my eyes a lot (and maybe let my immagination and hopes get the better of me) I think I can see a bit of a circular pattern a bit north-northeast of your coordinates.  Say, centered at: 46°04'17.04" N 118°21'15.46" W.  Do you live close to the area?  Can you verify either (or a new) set of coordinates for the center of the turntable?

 

I will post the updated info as soon as I get some formatting problems ironed out.

 

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:43 PM

The updated info:

Germany  Bremen   53° 5'10.88"N   8°48'28.24"E
Germany  Bremen   53° 5'8.82"N   8°48'33.86"E
Germany  Dresden   51° 2'21.03"N 13°42'42.26"E
Germany  Dresden   51° 2'7.65"N 13°42'31.84"E
Germany  Hamburg-Eidelstedt 53°36'28.89"N   9°52'52.74"E
Germany  Hamburg-Wilhelmstadt 53°30'40.90"N  10° 0'23.47"E
Germany  Hanau  50° 6'54.36"N   8°56'28.88"E
Germany  Hanau  50° 6'54.36"N   8°56'28.88"E
Germany  Kiel  54°18'25.33"N  10° 7'40.05"E
Germany  Leipzig   51°21'8.81"N 12°23'23.42"E
Germany  Leipzig  51°21'10.14"N 12°23'20.09"E
Germany  Lübeck 53°51'45.93"N 10°39'30.30"E
Germany  Meiningen 50°34'25.81"N 10°25'17.66"E
Germany  Meiningen 50°34'54.25"N  10°25'9.81"E
Germany  Neuenmarkt-Wirsberg  50° 5'37.50"N 11°34'54.89"E
Germany  Nuremberg 49°24'48.00"N  11° 5'22.70"E
Germany  Nuremberg 49°24'50.35"N  11° 5'17.01"E
Germany  Riesa  51°18'28.06"N 13°16'47.04"E
Germany  Rostock   54° 4'52.04"N  12° 8'46.40"E
Germany  Stralsund   54°18'0.50"N  13° 5'4.68"E
Germany  Stralsund  54°17'52.07"N  13° 5'10.58"E
Germany  Stralsund  54°17'56.83"N  13° 5'7.72"E
Germany  Ulm  48°24'15.88"N   9°58'10.25"E
Germany  Ulm  48°24'16.78"N   9°58'14.68"E
Germany  Ulm  48°24'17.67"N   9°58'19.35"E
Germany  Wismar  53°53'50.66"N  11°28'7.29"E

Mexico Guadalajara 20°38'53.57"N 103°20'36.56"W
Mexico San Luis Potosi  22° 9'42.62"N 100°58'12.53"W

NE Chadron 42°50'2.66"N 103° 0'9.10"W
NE Chadron 42°50'2.66"N 103° 0'9.10"W

NY Greenport 41° 5'57.28"N 72°21'50.16"W
NY Jamaica 40°41'46.45"N 73°49'23.90"W
NY Oyster Bay 40°52'29.88"N 73°31'42.94"W
NY Salamanca 42° 9'39.75"N 78°42'59.05"W
NY Yorktown Heights 41°16'7.41"N 73°46'50.92"W

OH Bellefontaine 40°22'11.98"N 83°45'59.79"W
OH Nelsonville 39°26'58.28"N 82°13'23.85"W
OH Toledo 41°37'39.57"N 83°32'47.27"W

Poland Szczecin 53°24'59.00"N 14°33'45.21"E

SD Sioux Falls 43°33'10.99"N 96°43'14.09"W
SD Sioux Falls 43°33'20.90"N 96°43'32.51"W

VA Clifton Forge 37°48'36.21"N 79°50'9.34"W
VA Clifton Forge 37°48'47.14"N 79°49'50.51"W

WA Vancouver 45°38'57.68"N 122°41'9.53"W

WV Handley 38°11'9.28"N 81°21'28.39"W
WV Peach Creek 37°52'28.70"N 81°59'9.01"W

 

That is 46 more for a total of 577 in my list (but I bet there are lots more!)

 EDIT:  I will have to rework that list to see if I can fix some of the formatting errors... dunno what happened, but I can't seem to get a couple of them fixed.  I will repost later.

 EDIT again (about 12 times) THERE!  The formatting is fixedl

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:47 PM

Glad I could help.  By the way, it's Clifton Forge, Virginia, not Clifton Falls.

If you'd like, list the West Virginia locations that are troublesome to you, and I'll see what I can do for them.  I am not familiar with the location system you're using, but should be able to bring you a little closer.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:03 PM

CShaveRR

Glad I could help.  By the way, it's Clifton Forge, Virginia, not Clifton Falls.

If you'd like, list the West Virginia locations that are troublesome to you, and I'll see what I can do for them.  I am not familiar with the location system you're using, but should be able to bring you a little closer.

WHY did I type "FALLS"???  Embarrassed  I got it right on the list... (even if I am having trouble with the formating of the data for several of the German and Mexican cities.)

I am using Degrees, Minutes, Seconds E/W or N/S.  But Google Earth can accept Degrees and fractions of a degree (the displayed coordinates are shown in a user selected format... See the Google Earth Tools|Options menu.)

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:46 PM

CShaveRR

Glad I could help.  By the way, it's Clifton Forge, Virginia, not Clifton Falls.

If you'd like, list the West Virginia locations that are troublesome to you, and I'll see what I can do for them.  I am not familiar with the location system you're using, but should be able to bring you a little closer.

Okay... West Virginia locations:

Ronceverte: I see a RR  and small yard, but my best guess is if there was a roundhouse it is now a baseball diamond.

Marlinton: No evidence of a rail yard.

Stone Cliff: Google Earth zooms out to include Ohio, Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania.  There is a Stone Cliff Bridge over a river that has a RR under it that follows the river, but no communities near that area.

Meadow Creek: Yard to the south and a Wye junction to the north but no evidence of a turntable or roundhouse.

Nallen: no evidence of a yard at all.

Gauley Bridge: No evidene of a yard at all.

Pratt: Google Earth zooms out to about a 21 mile altitude centered northeast of Marmet. I do find a Pratt Police department.  Zooming in on that I find Pratt, but following RR tracks on both sides of the river produces no rail yard all the way to the next named towns in either direction.

Charleston: Looks like major Highway (Interstates 77 & 64) construction ate any rail yards in Charleston.  I do see a railyard in South Charleston, but it is associated with an industry and has no turntable.

Huntington: I see several large RR Yards, and one Softball field where I would expect a Roundhouse, but no other evidence of such.

Kingston: a couple of large buildings and some smaller outbuildings and a RR track to a coal loading point to the south... no flat space big enough to hold a Turntable.

Madison: No indication of any Rail Yard.

Sproul: Nothng but a Wye... unless I look REAL HARD... then I see a circle on the ground that MIGHT be a turntable.  If you can verify, I'll add it.  38°15'04.11" N  81°47'45.98" W

Taplin: couple dozen houses and the track goes from single to double.

Whitesville: RR tracks are on the opposite side of the river, clinging to the side of the hill.  No room for a yard or turntable.

 

What I do is enter the city name and ",WV" in the Search box of Google Earth and then click the Search Icon.  From there I can zoom in or out and pan around,  I also click the Clock icon to display the Historical Images slider bar which i drag to the left to see the oldest images.  I also move the slider to the right one marker at a time to see intermediate images... Sometimes a different season of the year will reveal things that the others do not.

If I zoom in far enough the view will change to show the elevation topography and I can see that the tracks are either on a relatively flat area or clinging to the side of a hill.

To mark a Turntable/Roundhouse location i click on the PushPin Icon and then drag the pin to the center of the turntable (or at least where the turntable would have been), enter the name of the location to identify the marker and then save the data.  I manually drag the info in the "Locations" section (on the left) to get them in alphabetical order by State/Country and City. 

If I just want to know the geographic coordinates (to paste it in this forum), I center the place of interest and then click the Edit menu and select "Copy View Location" - This puts the coordinates in the clipboard to be pasted wherever I want. 

To follow a railroad more easily, I select the "Layers" list on the left side and then click the "+" next to "More" and then click the "Transportation" checkbox so all transportation items will be shown... RR tracks show as a very thin black line, when the zoom level is not too far away and not too close (It used to show the black line when zoomed much farther away and the line used to be thicker and was easier to follow, but that was changed a few months ago making it much harder to just follow the black lines from town to town.) 

For those tracks that were abandoned so long ago that Google Earth does not show them, I have to zoom in close enough to try to follow tree lines, bridge pilings in rivers and other telltales on the ground (and  try not to be deceived by creeks and power lines).

 

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Posted by beaulieu on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:05 PM

Additions

Rummelsburg (Berlin), Germany - DB Complete circular Roundhouse

52° 29' 43.83" N  13° 29' 29.19" E

Augsburg, Germany - DB - two Roundhouses with Turntables

48° 20' 51.99" N  10° 53' 35.15" E

Hof, Germany  - DB - Roundhouse, Turntable filled in

50° 18' 37.10" N  11° 55' 00.38" E

Regensburg, Germany - DB - Roundhouse with Turntable

49° 00' 38.77" N  12° 04' 53.85" E

Chemnitz, Germany - DB - Roundhouse with Turntable, remains of 2nd Roundhouse with Turntable

50° 51' 33.36" N  12° 56' 05.04" E

Saalfeld (Saale), Germany - DB - Roundhouse with Turntable

50° 39' 12.87" N  11° 22' 32.58" E

Gera, Germany  Roundhouse with Turntable

50° 53' 23.91"  N  12° 04' 43.16" E

Stendal, Germany - Roundhouse with Turntable, Remains of second.

52° 35' 39.84" N  11° 50' 51.32" E

Schwerin, Germany - R&TT

53° 38' 16.29" N  11° 24' 24.16" E

Halle an der Saale, Germany - 3 R&TT

51° 29' 22.18" N  11° 59' 38.48" E

 

Merseburg, Germany - R&TT

51° 20' 42.38" N  11° 59' 32.65" E

Celle, Germany  - R&TT

52° 37' 50.44" N  10° 03' 59.17" E

Cottbus, Germany - R&TT

51° 44' 59.09" N  14° 18' 06.83" E

Bitterfeld, Germany - R&TT

51° 38' 18.54" N  12° 18' 24.40" E

Wittenberge, Germany - R&TT, remains of 2nd R&TT

52° 59' 53.58" N  11° 45' 50.84" E

Neubrandenburg, Germany - 2 R&TT

53° 33' 44.61" N  13° 15' 43.71" E

Darmstadt, Germany - R&TT, remains of 2nd R&TT

49° 52' 46.47" N  8° 37' 34.24" E

Bebra, Germany - 2 R&TT

50° 58' 07.81" N  9° 47' 57.54" E

Fulda, Germany - R&TT

50° 32' 25.01" N  9° 41' 26.55" E

Würzburg, Germany - 2 R&TT, remains of 3rd R&TT

49° 48' 11.93" N  9° 56' 10.83" E

That's enough for tonight, I quit listing turntable only locations, there are enough Roundhouses and Turntable locations.

 

 

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Posted by Dragoman on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:36 PM

Sr. Semper Vaporo --

Do I understand correctly, that the only listings you wish to include on your list, are those turntables and roundhouses that you can find on Google Earth (current or historical)?  For example, I can document (using various historical records) that there was an SP turntable in Pacific Grove, California (on the Monterey Peninsula).  But that entire end of the line was abandoned in 1978-79 or so, and has been fully developed with no trace of the facilities on Google Earth today (or any historical view).

Interested or no?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, September 2, 2011 12:27 AM

Dragoman

Sr. Semper Vaporo --

Do I understand correctly, that the only listings you wish to include on your list, are those turntables and roundhouses that you can find on Google Earth (current or historical)?  For example, I can document (using various historical records) that there was an SP turntable in Pacific Grove, California (on the Monterey Peninsula).  But that entire end of the line was abandoned in 1978-79 or so, and has been fully developed with no trace of the facilities on Google Earth today (or any historical view).

Interested or no?

Good question...

My original intent seems to have been lost with the addition of Historical Imagery. Google Earth seems to be adding more Historical Imagery that goes back farther in time, so maybe knowledge of locations prior to the present limit in Google Earth can be verified someday in the future when older images become available (I have seen some as far back as the 1950's!).

So to answer your question... yes, I guess as long as you have good documentation that can resolve to an (at least somewhat) accurate geographic location for the center of the turntable.  So, if you have (or anyone has) some concrete evidence of the location then by all means see if you can resolve it to the geographic coordinates of the center.

I want to stay away from vague recollections of "a roundhouse somewhere near the north end of Podunk Street in Hickville."

But if those recollections can be resolved to the coordinates then it would be okay... something like... "If you drove too far north on Podunk street and the turntable was turned to the N/S position you could drive right onto it, and when the turntable was turned to the east stall you were looking directly at the Hickville water tower that was in the center of what is now City Park, just a block to the east."

If your recollection is vague, but I can find the evidence on Google Earth, then I will add it.  But just a vague reference with no evidence is no good.

 

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Posted by Dragoman on Friday, September 2, 2011 4:34 PM

Thank you for the clarification.  It is not my recollection (it was a bit before my time!), but I have read much about it in the histories of Southern Pacific's Monterey (Calif.) branch and the Del Monte.  (Apparently, it was pretty short, so at one time they could only use certain specific short-tender locomotives on the branch.)

I'll try to do a little work to see if I can pinpoint the coordinates.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, September 2, 2011 7:11 PM

Thanks for the response, S.V.!  I'll be taking a little while, but I should be able to pull out some track diagrams and perhaps locate some of those turntables for you.  They could have been anything from 80 feet to 115 feet.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, September 2, 2011 10:10 PM

Okay, here are a couple of new ones in Germany:

 

Germany Augsburg 48°20'51.91"N 10°53'35.19"E
Germany Augsburg 48°20'56.39"N 10°53'37.33"E
Germany Bebra  50°58'12.58"N   9°47'53.10"E
Germany Bebra  50°58'7.81"N   9°47'57.49"E
Germany Bitterfeld  51°38'18.60"N  12°18'24.37"E
Germany Celle  52°37'50.49"N  10° 3'59.22"E
Germany Chemnitz  50°51'33.36"N  12°56'5.08"E
Germany Chemnitz  50°51'36.48"N  12°56'10.24"E
Germany Cottbus  51°44'59.17"N  14°18'6.80"E
Germany Darmstadt  49°52'46.49"N   8°37'34.23"E
Germany Darmstadt  49°52'50.86"N   8°37'34.44"E
Germany Fulda  50°32'25.04"N   9°41'26.67"E
Germany Gera  50°53'23.93"N  12° 4'43.17"E
Germany Halle an der Saale  51°29'21.22"N  11°59'10.94"E
Germany Halle an der Saale  51°29'21.36"N  11°59'18.97"E
Germany Halle an der Saale  51°29'22.36"N  11°59'38.38"E
Germany Halle an der Saale  51°29'26.35"N  11°59'44.10"E
Germany Hof  50°18'36.99"N  11°55'0.30"E
Germany Merseburg  51°20'42.42"N  11°59'32.59"E
Germany Neubrandenburg  53°33'44.54"N  13°15'43.74"E
Germany Neubrandenburg  53°33'44.24"N  13°15'38.09"E
Germany Regensburg  49° 0'38.80"N  12° 4'53.92"E
Germany Rummelsburg (Berlin)  52°29'43.83"N  13°29'29.20"E
Germany Saalfeld (Saale)  50°39'12.88"N  11°22'32.60"E
Germany Schwerin  53°38'16.34"N  11°24'24.19"E
Germany Stendal  52°35'39.84"N  11°50'51.25"E
Germany Stendal  52°35'40.29"N  11°50'59.17"E
Germany Wittenberge  52°59'50.95"N  11°45'53.50"E
Germany Wittenberge  52°59'53.63"N  11°45'50.83"E
Germany Würzburg  49°48'11.20"N   9°56'16.50"E
Germany Würzburg  49°48'11.97"N   9°56'10.85"E
Germany Würzburg  49°48'12.75"N   9°56'5.21"E

 

If ANYBODY had said that there were at least 58 Roundhouses in Germany I probably would not have believed them... If they had also said that there were that many twins and triplets in a row I would have thought them nuts.  But looking through the full lists I have is proof of it.  And it appears that most are still in use for their original purpose of RR locomotive maintenance.

Semper Vaporo

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