Murphy SidingJust a note......Let's not let this turn into a political thread, or GASP! A serious thread !!!
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Sorry! Eleanor is buried at Hyde Park, NY in the prototype Boeing 747, per her request. Visit, sometime, and bring your metal detector and a tape measure. Look for small trees in the outline of an airplane. I won't touch the 'reincarnation' thingie....
Hays
I have a question I've been nursing for years but it doesn't fit the definition of "Classic" for the ongoing quizzes at the "Classic Trains" forum:
When did GN's EMPIRE BUILDER go from its post-WWII livery to the distinctive "Blue Sky" coloration? And did that precisely coincide with the train's switch from EMD-type "carbody" HEP to the more modern (and at that time, in the public's eye, "freightlike") locomotives I've seen in their publicity?
The end of that time frame would be the imposition of Amtrak on May 1, 1971, or shortly thereafter, when the train kept its name but the cars went "rainbow" with a vengeance. But I'm wondering how long the Blue Sky color-scheme was in effect prior to that. Also, was it part and parcel of the same color-scheme applied to GN's freight cars, or were they implemented at different times?? If you have anything to say about whether the coaches and other cars were repainted, refurbished or renewed in significant ways, I'd enjoy hearing about that too. And does anybody know who the designer was? I personally think it's a very good color.
With her legendary attention to detail, I'm sure that Eleanor Roosevelt, had she lived longer, by not less than five but not more than ten years, would have known.
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I wish I could help you, but dunno, me! I was brought up "out east", in the land of the majestic New York Central "Lightning Stripes" and the sedate New Haven green-and-gold. I even liked the McGinnes flamboyant colors the New Haven adopted! I moved to Montana 'bout 15-years ago and never saw the "Big Sky Blue", except on freight cars. Never liked it, I must say, and the Burlington Northern "Cascade Green" was plain ugly. When BNSF had the Dash 9-44CWs delivered in the old Great Northern orange-and-green replica, I was ecstatic! Loved them "Pumpkins", and still do, even though a lot of SD40-2s and GP38s, and their progeny, wear the colors, too. The "Heritage II" and "III" schemes leave a lot to be desired, methinks. I hope someone comes up with a "standard reference" cite for all the color changes up here. I'm a buyer of books, so don't get into the video stuff at all. BTW, check out the www.izaakwaltoninn.com website. They have a replica SDP-45 (?) for rent in their Essex, MT motel complex. Beware the b'ars! Them critters bite!!!
Hays -- Shelby, MT
al-in-chgoWhen did GN's EMPIRE BUILDER go from its post-WWII livery to the distinctive "Blue Sky" coloration?
Johnny
Deggesty al-in-chgoWhen did GN's EMPIRE BUILDER go from its post-WWII livery to the distinctive "Blue Sky" coloration? Al, 1967 http://www.gngoat.org/1968_builder.htm.
Al, 1967 http://www.gngoat.org/1968_builder.htm.
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"LANSING, Mich., Tuesday—We had a very pleasant trip yesterday afternoon. Much to our surprise, we were met in St. Louis by Mr. T. M. Hayes of the Wabash Railroad. It turned out that he had been with Mr. Frederic Delano for ten years, that the latter was president of the Wabash and for several years thereafter. We were his guests on the trip to Decatur, Illinois, where he was born and raised, and then back to Chicago. He made it a very pleasant journey. It is always interesting to travel with some one who is very enthusiastic about his job, and the Wabash Railroad is quite evidently one of the main interests in Mr. Hayes' life. His father was with the railroad for 57 years, and he has already 37 years of service behind him." Eleanor Roosevelt, March 13, 1940
Eleanor has revealed through a love letter, her heart belongs to Decatur. The Wabash is her true love. Others vying for travelers' affection in the Chicago to St. Louis market are jilted.
There is an uproar. Franklin grins amused clinching his cigarette holder at an even higher angle.
The Alton, The Illinois Central, the C. E. & I. oh how they cry. Who among the rejected suitors takes it hardest?
Update: forget the metal detector and tape measure. My nephew, who lives nearby, told me that the vertical stabilzer of the empennage sticks up, about 4'-0" out of the ground. It is engraved "Boeing XP-747" and "Anna Eleanor Roosevelt, 18??-1962" on both sides. No USAF tail number....
BNSFwatcher Update: forget the metal detector and tape measure. My nephew, who lives nearby, told me that the vertical stabilzer of the empennage sticks up, about 4'-0" out of the ground. It is engraved "Boeing XP-747" and "Anna Eleanor Roosevelt, 18??-1962" on both sides. No USAF tail number.... Hays
The first flight of the Boeing 747 was February 9, 1969. Mrs. Roosevelt had been dead for 7 years at that time. Your fable would work better if you made it a Boeing 707. That's what they were using for Air Force One at the time.
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And a very happy Eleanor Roosevelt Saturday morning to you all.......
Nope. It was the XP-747. They must have outfitted it at the "Skunk Works". I flew home, on Xmas leave, SFO-IDL-SFO in 1959-'60, "AA" Boeing 707s both ways. Anna Eleanor wouldn't have fit in a 707. Like I said, it had no USAF markings....
Concerning the GN color scheme change, what color is goat's milk? If Guernsey cows give a milk yellow with butter fat, what about goats? As the passenger business lost money, did the blueish white hue of skim milk become symbolic of fat cut out and lean leaving?
If riding the Empire Builder, did Eleanor eat her Oreos with goats' milk?
That's probably it. The Boeing 747 was probably designed by the Lockheed Skunk Works.
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Phoebe Vet That's probably it. The Boeing 747 was probably designed by the Lockheed Skunk Works. ROFL
Wait a sec, Phoebes. Wasn't the Lockheed plant covered up with an enormous tarpaulin that looked from the air like ordinary suburbia? Or am I confusing it with some dear departed aircraft firm like Martin?? Dueling myths! (Bearing in mind sometimes myths are right on. Not that often, though.)
I really don't know what E.Roosevelt would have thought of all this. - al s.
But she had a distinct preference in margarine! - al
Al:
Martin isn't gone. It's now Lockheed Martin.
I never heard the tarp story, but it would take a really big one to hide an airport.
I think that tarp thing was a Cheech and Chong movie.
Phoebe Vet I never heard the tarp story, but it would take a really big one to hide an airport. I think that tarp thing was a Cheech and Chong movie.
Murphy SidingNot an airport, an aircraft factory. It was, I think either Consolidated, or Lockheed, that had a camoflauged factory in the LA/Long Beach area.
I don't think they included Eleanor's house, though.
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I have never seen an airplane factory that is not on an airport. How do they fly the finished product away?
I suppose it could have been an aircraft PARTS factory. It would make sense if we were being bombed during the war, but our military did a pretty good job of keeping the fighting off shore.
I am not saying it's not true, just that I never heard it.
Murray And a very happy Eleanor Roosevelt Sunday morning to you all.......
And a very happy Eleanor Roosevelt Sunday morning to you all.......
Sorry. I could not resist changing it to Sunday Morning
Phoebe Vet I have never seen an airplane factory that is not on an airport. How do they fly the finished product away? I suppose it could have been an aircraft PARTS factory. It would make sense if we were being bombed during the war, but our military did a pretty good job of keeping the fighting off shore. I am not saying it's not true, just that I never heard it.
Here you go: http://thinkorthwim.com/2007/08/19/1034/
Very interesting. I see it WAS on an airport. Did they cover the airport, too? I wonder how they dealt with ventilation.
We will never know how effective it was since the Japanese never came to the mainland.
I wonder if those guys are available to work on my layout.
I don't think they covered the runways. The camo netting would have fouled the props, no? Hey! This is southern California: "Any shade is good shade!". Of course, that was before Californians got hooked on frijoles, and before the invention of "Beano". My next-to-last ride on a commercial airliner was in a L-1011 "Death Tube". The rear engine caught on fire in DFW. That was in 1979, and I have been an "Amtrak-totaler" ever since. Of course, I flew a lot as a UH-1 ("Huey") crewchief, and even on some "Gooney Birds" (C-130s) after that, but NO commercial! They still miss Minneapolis! As far as the Imperial JAF goes, they did start some forest fires in OR or WA, methinks. Maybe this is where Anna Eleanor's XP-747 was built, mostly out of plywood. Howard Hughes would have extracted an exorbitant number of pieces-of-silver for that, but FDR ran the mint! Anyone up for stealing a backhoe and doing some excavating in Hyde Park?
When was the "Oreo" invented/branded? I'll have to 'Google' that. 'Wiki' must have an extensive data-base. Here, in Montana, we have Bighorn sheep (that look like goats) and Rocky Mountain goats (that look like sheep). I have never heard of anyone milking them. They tend to stay in the really high country. Other than that, I'm not a big fan of Feta cheese....
I did Google "Oreo". Invented in 1912. There will be a centennial celebration in Hyde Park the summer of 2012. Anna Eleanor will be the hostess. Moose milk will be featured.
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tree68 Phoebe Vet I have never seen an airplane factory that is not on an airport. How do they fly the finished product away? I suppose it could have been an aircraft PARTS factory. It would make sense if we were being bombed during the war, but our military did a pretty good job of keeping the fighting off shore. I am not saying it's not true, just that I never heard it. Here you go: http://thinkorthwim.com/2007/08/19/1034/
tree68 Like the plywood tanks used a decoys in Britain before D-Day, it certainly wouldn't have stood up to close scrutiny, but would have done a decent job throwing off someone looking to bomb an aircraft factory from on high.
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