Plastic Ties?!?

[mudchicken]

(1) If it holds gage and holds a spike, why not?.......The earlier composite ties, called CEDRITE ties, worked - But failed under tensile stress. You could not drop them, put them under switch assemblies or in main track curves over 3 degrees or curvature.

(2) Big Boy: Joe Trackman would LHAO if you said "rail joiner".....I see a Portec 6-hole insulated joint with a crushed endpost. On either side of it, I see an insulated gage plate. Appears to be an installation at a crossing frog (diamond)....

(3) Puckdropper: Switch panels are becoming more common every year. Here on Pueblo, CO's south side where I am today...switch panels are made for BNSF and UP on the grounds of the CF&I/Rocky Mountain Steel Mill at Meridian/ABC's plant on a jig and plainly visible from I-25. They are loaded into high-side gons in sections due to weight and length restrictions. One turnout (switch) may travel in up to 4 large pieces with all the switch ties (9 Ft. to 17 Ft.) anchored in place....

Roasted Dusty Feathers
(90 Degrees in Pueblo today)

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

Let's see - flex track and sectional (panel) track are here. Snap switches can't be far behind. Getting the switch machine under the "layout" will be a challenge in most spots... I want to see the slip on rail joiners, too.....

Of course the railroads don't mess with undertable mounting, and perfer to go with more of the Atlas style machine, only scaled down.

Rail joiners don't slide on, they come in two parts and are bolted on, and yes there are even insulated ones. Here's a photo of of an insulated joiner.[;)]

Model railroading is more prototypical than you realize.

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[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Puckdropper

Just ask a model railroader!

The trick to soldering rails is to keep the iron tip clean. Use a damP sponge and wipe it off.

I want to know when they'll start using "Snap switches."

Actually the railroads do use ready made swithces. They pre fab them and haul them in gondolas, then lift and drop them in place. Here's a photo of one waiting to be installed:



This photo is a few years old, but this year there are a pair of switches end to end sitting in the exact same place waiting to be installed. This is a very cool and busy section of track. It consists of 5 parallel tracks with crossovers connecting all 5 tracks, in both directions. From above it looks like a big X. This year's pair will be placed right in the heart of the plant, so they will want to move quickly when the time comes to install them, so as not to tie up traffic too much.[:D]

[tree68]

Let's see - flex track and sectional (panel) track are here. Snap switches can't be far behind. Getting the switch machine under the "layout" will be a challenge in most spots... I want to see the slip on rail joiners, too.....

[Puckdropper]

Just ask a model railroader!

The trick to soldering rails is to keep the iron tip clean. Use a damP sponge and wipe it off.

I want to know when they'll start using "Snap switches."

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tomtrain

Is this truth being stranger than fiction? Atlas 1:1 "nickel silver" flex track! [:D]

Yeah, but they are having problems soldering the rails together!

[jeffhergert]

I read a while back that the UP was going to try composite ties in swampy areas in Arkansas and Louisiana. I think the idea is they won't rot as fast as wooden ties and are cheaper than concrete.

[Big_Boy_4005]

The new light rail line here is all concrete ties. I'm not sure when it is supposed to open, but it should be soon.

Last Wednesday night when my son and I came out of the dome after the Twins game we got a chance to see one of the new cars sets up close. Pretty cool!!! Then we walked a block down the sidewalk next to the tracks. We were talking about how it worked, and he asked me about the "antenna" (he's 11years old). I got a pretty good chuckle out of that once I figured out what he meant.[swg]

[Anonymous]

But I live close to the NJT Mountclair Booton Line and NS HO-2 shares the track with them and they use concrete ties a lot on that line[^]

[vsmith]

The light rail lines and the commuter lines here use concrete sleepers and the commuter trains only run on older wooden ties where they have to share the line with freight traffic.

[Anonymous]

Why dont they just stick with the old way with wooden ties? But I guess it is better because with wooden ties they break a lot and they cause problems. So I guess its just for safety :)

[Big_Boy_4005]

Yeah Vic, I was thinking about that too just after I hit the submit button. Maybe they use something similar to the system used on concrete ties, or perhaps have some kind of large bolt with a large head and washer sticking up from the bottom. Someone here knows.[8D]

By the way, is the Red Line referred to here the CTA? That would be considered light rail. Does heavy rail use plastic?

[vsmith]

How are the spikes inserted? Do they use screws instead? wouldnt vibration eventually lead to spikes or screws working there way out or tearing up the resin composite?

inquiring minds want to know?

[Big_Boy_4005]

Interesting, I wonder how they'll hold up. My guess is pretty well. I'll bet they have a lot less vibration transfer than concrete.

[Anonymous]

Yes. They are often called composite ties, but they are basically recycled plastic.

LC

[Anonymous]

I have heard of concrete and creosote soaked wood, but recent Red Line upgrades in Chicago have included what looks like plastic ties. Is this what I am seeing?