When I go railfanning, nature hikes, or just out and about taking pictures, this is what I do. I mind my own business. If somebody questions me, I ask them show me some credentials saying that you can question me on what I am doing. 90% don't but the 10% that do, I listen and respect what they say, and do what they tell me to do. As for the confrontational ones (I get that a lot cause of my size, 6'6" 265 lbs), bring it on. If they don't show me credentials, then I clam up. I don't tell them anything. Some will call the cops. So be it. I'll wait for them. I'll wait for them to ask me questions. I tell them exactly what I am doing there and I ask them if they want me to leave. I don't give out more information than need be. I don't show them pictures. They are my pictures for my pleasure. I am never on RR property, illegally. Only with permission that I am on RR property. Getting harder and harder to do so. I've been jailed twice and tazed once because I wouldn't tell the cops more than I wanted them to know as in: where am I going next, where do I plan to stay, where did I come from (I usually say my Mom), just a bunch of useless questions, to me. I've had an officer repremended because of his actions. I don't lose sleep over that. If you confront me, make sure that it is in your best interest to do so. Remember, I am on public property. Don't give me crap saying "it's their railroad, it's their property". BS. If they don't want you to photograph it, put up a fence. Whats the difference if I am right there, or far away with a telephoto lens or even on google earth? The one thing I don't photograph are the employees. They mean nothing to me.
On nature walks, people that have trails in their backyards have fences so people can not see their house, backyard, activites that are going on...ect. They were smart enough to do so.
Time to step off my and get change for my
Paul
PS. If your in a public place, you have no privacy
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Gentlemen,
Can we please stop the sparring and the personal whacks at one another? This thread is getting dangerously close to the "property lines"...
Tom
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Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
(Carmen) Sandiego's post casts major aspersions on the claim that he was a rail.
Nice try. Real convincing.
sandiego wrote:2. After reading the illiterate rants from railroad employees I am ashamed to say that I was a railroader also, with 25 years of total service and 16 years in TYE. I never had a problem with anyone taking photos if they were off the property, I was photographed many times but so what? If you are doing your job properly you have nothing to worry about. As for ops testing I have probably have a dozen letters stating "on (date), checked on (rule), result (passed, good job)" and I had no idea at the time I that was being tested; same thing do your job properly and you have no problems. Finally, to you RR jerks writing here, if I see something wrong on your train do you think that I will report it? After this, NOT LIKELY!!Kurt Hayek(Not afraid to sign my name)
Aren't you special. You forgot Arrogant.
sandiego wrote:After reading 120 messages on this I have two things to say:1. Kevin, I know what you are saying, I am ready to give up trainwatching and photography because of the hassles from ignorant clods like the one you ran into. This Hopeless Insecurity BS just gets worse every year, both from LEO and RR, and what's so stupid is that the bad guys can get the photos and information if they want to without anyone ever knowing. Think cell phone cameras for example, everyone has cell phones and no one notices them. How about videocams, two people in a vehicle driving down the street with one videoing, would anyone notice?2. After reading the illiterate rants from railroad employees I am ashamed to say that I was a railroader also, with 25 years of total service and 16 years in TYE. I never had a problem with anyone taking photos if they were off the property, I was photographed many times but so what? If you are doing your job properly you have nothing to worry about. As for ops testing I have probably have a dozen letters stating "on (date), checked on (rule), result (passed, good job)" and I had no idea at the time I that was being tested; same thing do your job properly and you have no problems. As for being photographed at work, I now work for a company locating underground utilities, and I'm out on the street with my reflectorized vest including being near RR tracks at crossings so photo away!Finally, to you RR jerks writing here, if I see something wrong on your train do you think that I will report it? After this, NOT LIKELY!!Kurt Hayek(Not afraid to sign my name)
Must have had a stellar railroad career that you are no longer in the industry.
So don't report the problems. THen when the train derails and kills someone you know that was sitting at the crossing... have fun washing that blood off your hands. Ashamed to say you were a railroader? Well I'm ashamed that you were one.
sandiego wrote:After reading 120 messages on this I have two things to say: 2. After reading the illiterate rants from railroad employees I am ashamed to say that I was a railroader also, with 25 years of total service and 16 years in TYE. I never had a problem with anyone taking photos if they were off the property, I was photographed many times but so what? If you are doing your job properly you have nothing to worry about. As for ops testing I have probably have a dozen letters stating "on (date), checked on (rule), result (passed, good job)" and I had no idea at the time I that was being tested; same thing do your job properly and you have no problems. As for being photographed at work, I now work for a company locating underground utilities, and I'm out on the street with my reflectorized vest including being near RR tracks at crossings so photo away!Finally, to you RR jerks writing here, if I see something wrong on your train do you think that I will report it? After this, NOT LIKELY!!Kurt Hayek(Not afraid to sign my name)
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
zugmann wrote:Did it once.. still have a limp in that leg...
I found out the hard way too. I worked second shift, there was never any left overs.
One question I have to ask, are scanners legal in Ohio? I know they are legal here in Illinois but it is illegal to use portable scanners in Indiana.
zugmann wrote:RRers are the finest in the practice of freeloading...
What ever you do, never get near a line of railroaders when someone says free food!
Murray wrote: Hmmm...Seems the original poster is placing this on all the popular rail sites:http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?2,1739347Coincidence?...YOU make the call
Hmmm...Seems the original poster is placing this on all the popular rail sites:
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?2,1739347
Coincidence?...YOU make the call
Your point is?
There is only 1 other popular rail site? If so, then it would be on "all the popular rail sites"
zugmann wrote: Trainorders is popular??Popularity must cost pennies a day then...
Trainorders is popular??
Popularity must cost pennies a day then...
That is why he had to get rid of the freeloaders.
.....And of course you have the right to disagree Murray.
Quentin
looks kinds suspicious to me.
and for the reason why i was the first to get "hot" over this thread was that a fellow sister in service could get in some kind of trouble with the company due to the actions of one hurt feelings train buff...i cant stand people that have to make issue out of not being told they couldnt do something..there are alot of things i have been told i couldnt do..some in polite ways and others in ways that make what this woman said sound respectfull.. yet i didnt go off and have to write a letter..i sucked it up and moved on with my life..
csx engineer
Goober wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: Poppa_Zit wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: this is a case study in railroad/railfan relations.. insted of being respectfull when you come into "our house" (on public proporty or not you are watching the actions of our place of work..and the actions of us doing our jobs) and should be respectfull of US the EMPLOLYEES!!! that means if we ask you not to take pics then dont do it.. just move on to another location or something.. im sure that if we where to come to your place of work and take pics of you or your company doing what it dose and you didnt want your pic or the actions of the company photograghed you would say something to the person takeing the pics too... but this isnt about taking pics or the right to take pics from public proporty of trains..this is all becouse someone got there feelings hurt by a brash employee...bottom line!!!!csx engineer If you can stand on public property and take photos of me at work, have at it. if i knew what you did and where you worked out of..maybe i would in my time off.. but that isnt the point here.. this isnt about photos or the rights to do it from where.. its about someone being confronted granted in a less that profecinal mannor..and having his feelings hurt becouse the person used the word terrorist... re-read the letter dude.. it is all about that word and how his feelings where hurt and feeling insulted becouse the employee used it.. that is what this is all about.. some of you want to make this an issue of it was public proporty crap..that isnt what this is about at all..reread the first posting and the letter.. you will see the tone of his posting turn when that word was used.. not becouse he was asked not to take pics.. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE..DEAL WITH IT!!!! Well, DUDE, I did go back and read the 1st post, I also re-read the 2nd reply, and if I were to get excited over anyone, it would be that person. Do you recognise that person?? His mention of THE word was a secondary point, his main issue was that of the person and yelling inaccurate information and doing so in a unprofessional manner. I happen to agree with the original post, and also with all of what was said by Poppa_zit. AND, it really does come down to the issue of being on public property and being on private property. When on public property, one is allowed to take photo's of (in this instance) trains. It is not illegal!! Like another poster said, "when they are used commercially" that is a different issue. I also believe that he did the proper thing in not confronting, however, if I were him, I would have completely ignored the person on the "porch BEHIND the engine" and went about my business. I would rather deal with the local law enforcement than with a wannabe security person who has absolutely no authority beyond property lines. So, DUDE. chill and deal with it goes both ways. You were the 1st one to go hyper over this post.thanks,Jared
csxengineer98 wrote: Poppa_Zit wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: this is a case study in railroad/railfan relations.. insted of being respectfull when you come into "our house" (on public proporty or not you are watching the actions of our place of work..and the actions of us doing our jobs) and should be respectfull of US the EMPLOLYEES!!! that means if we ask you not to take pics then dont do it.. just move on to another location or something.. im sure that if we where to come to your place of work and take pics of you or your company doing what it dose and you didnt want your pic or the actions of the company photograghed you would say something to the person takeing the pics too... but this isnt about taking pics or the right to take pics from public proporty of trains..this is all becouse someone got there feelings hurt by a brash employee...bottom line!!!!csx engineer If you can stand on public property and take photos of me at work, have at it. if i knew what you did and where you worked out of..maybe i would in my time off.. but that isnt the point here.. this isnt about photos or the rights to do it from where.. its about someone being confronted granted in a less that profecinal mannor..and having his feelings hurt becouse the person used the word terrorist... re-read the letter dude.. it is all about that word and how his feelings where hurt and feeling insulted becouse the employee used it.. that is what this is all about.. some of you want to make this an issue of it was public proporty crap..that isnt what this is about at all..reread the first posting and the letter.. you will see the tone of his posting turn when that word was used.. not becouse he was asked not to take pics.. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE..DEAL WITH IT!!!!
Poppa_Zit wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: this is a case study in railroad/railfan relations.. insted of being respectfull when you come into "our house" (on public proporty or not you are watching the actions of our place of work..and the actions of us doing our jobs) and should be respectfull of US the EMPLOLYEES!!! that means if we ask you not to take pics then dont do it.. just move on to another location or something.. im sure that if we where to come to your place of work and take pics of you or your company doing what it dose and you didnt want your pic or the actions of the company photograghed you would say something to the person takeing the pics too... but this isnt about taking pics or the right to take pics from public proporty of trains..this is all becouse someone got there feelings hurt by a brash employee...bottom line!!!!csx engineer If you can stand on public property and take photos of me at work, have at it.
csxengineer98 wrote: this is a case study in railroad/railfan relations.. insted of being respectfull when you come into "our house" (on public proporty or not you are watching the actions of our place of work..and the actions of us doing our jobs) and should be respectfull of US the EMPLOLYEES!!! that means if we ask you not to take pics then dont do it.. just move on to another location or something.. im sure that if we where to come to your place of work and take pics of you or your company doing what it dose and you didnt want your pic or the actions of the company photograghed you would say something to the person takeing the pics too... but this isnt about taking pics or the right to take pics from public proporty of trains..this is all becouse someone got there feelings hurt by a brash employee...bottom line!!!!csx engineer
this is a case study in railroad/railfan relations.. insted of being respectfull when you come into "our house" (on public proporty or not you are watching the actions of our place of work..and the actions of us doing our jobs) and should be respectfull of US the EMPLOLYEES!!! that means if we ask you not to take pics then dont do it.. just move on to another location or something.. im sure that if we where to come to your place of work and take pics of you or your company doing what it dose and you didnt want your pic or the actions of the company photograghed you would say something to the person takeing the pics too... but this isnt about taking pics or the right to take pics from public proporty of trains..this is all becouse someone got there feelings hurt by a brash employee...bottom line!!!!
If you can stand on public property and take photos of me at work, have at it.
Well, DUDE, I did go back and read the 1st post, I also re-read the 2nd reply, and if I were to get excited over anyone, it would be that person. Do you recognise that person?? His mention of THE word was a secondary point, his main issue was that of the person and yelling inaccurate information and doing so in a unprofessional manner.
I happen to agree with the original post, and also with all of what was said by Poppa_zit. AND, it really does come down to the issue of being on public property and being on private property. When on public property, one is allowed to take photo's of (in this instance) trains. It is not illegal!! Like another poster said, "when they are used commercially" that is a different issue. I also believe that he did the proper thing in not confronting, however, if I were him, I would have completely ignored the person on the "porch BEHIND the engine" and went about my business. I would rather deal with the local law enforcement than with a wannabe security person who has absolutely no authority beyond property lines. So, DUDE. chill and deal with it goes both ways. You were the 1st one to go hyper over this post.
thanks,
Jared
Modelcar wrote: ....My feelings on the whole situation: Judging from what we all read in the initial post....Employee over reacted and seemingly was arrogant and possibly out of line dictating to fan who was not on RR property.
....My feelings on the whole situation: Judging from what we all read in the initial post....Employee over reacted and seemingly was arrogant and possibly out of line dictating to fan who was not on RR property.
I respectfully disagree Sir.
We can't say with certainty that this individual was too close to the tracks or not. All we have is his word. To the employees eye, it may have appeared that he was in an unsafe position.
I see nothing wrong with a railroad employee looking out for one's safety.
I think its time everyone goes to the fridge, grab an ice cold beer and enjoy it. I love all the info I get from this site. I learn something new and generally useful everytime I login. I dont care who is a railfan or a real railroader since we all obviously have a common interest.
Modelcar wrote:....This issue seems to bring out the bad side of people. I suppose all of what the employee called out to the fan was not pleasant for him and surprising. After a while when he had a chance to reflect on just what happened, it really didn't set well with him.
....This issue seems to bring out the bad side of people. I suppose all of what the employee called out to the fan was not pleasant for him and surprising. After a while when he had a chance to reflect on just what happened, it really didn't set well with him.
Ted M.
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Maybe some of the RR employees on this site get tired of being treated like we don't know crap by a select few railfans???
It is not like we live and breath this industry every day of our life... oh wait, we do!
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