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Posted by MikeF90 on Monday, September 19, 2016 3:26 AM

The view west from Del Mar Ave. shows the most completed part of the trench.

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The view west from San Gabriel Blvd also shows substantial completion. An eastbound 'repo' train train passes on the shoofly.

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The eastward view from San Gabriel Blvd shows that the retaining walls and base seem to be complete just short of Rubio Wash. Note that the ROW base climbs from here to the wash. Despite multiple attempts no closer photo access to the wash was found.

to be continued .....

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Posted by MikeF90 on Monday, September 19, 2016 3:34 AM

The most mysterious part of the construction was seen east of Rubio Wash.  This view looks west from Walnut Grove Ave.

Note that no concrete base or retaining walls have been poured, nor is there any sign of an imminent start. The grade looks about right, so perhaps they will put down some ballast, a little fencing and call it good. 

For comparison, an older Google Maps street view pic is shown. Note the position of the concrete base with the orange marker on the right side, also below.

Not shown on my pics, but the two poles are still there!  The new track will probably be placed to the south (left) of that concrete base but what remains to be done is a puzzlement.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 19, 2016 2:07 PM

Memo to BRUCE ELLEFRITZ (9-18):

Hi, Bruce!

Might you know if the target signals between Yuma and Estrella (AZ) have begun to be converted to color light ones yet?  If I could take I-10 instead of I-8 on my next adventure a few hours could be saved.

Ah, you are a DDA40X fan!

I’ve been in both UP 6915 (in Pomona) and UP 6946 (at Portola), both here in California.  Some March 12, 2016 Pomona “Rail Giants” views:

It is unknown if you had been born and were alive in the DDA40X’s heydays, but I was, and all 47 of them were seen one time or another.  They were great machines to watch!

While UP 6936 (as part of the Heritage fleet) has been out on the Sunset Route, most if not all the others have not, as their demise was way before the UP-SP merger.  They all saw Cajon Pass on the Santa Fe, on trips via the LA&SL.

I think it was April 7, 1974 that a few of us visited Cajon Pass, and arrived before dawn.  Low and behold, from I-15 between Sullivan’s Curve and Highway 138, we could see a double diesel had been involved in a wreck of some sort.  We parked and hiked in.  The partially upside down unit was seen to be UP 6903, and its entire cab had been sheared off!  We learned later the engineer late the night before rounded the blind curve at 25 M.P.H. (on a red intermediate signal) and saw the writing on the wall (the caboose stopped a few hundred feet  just ahead), and big hold it and lied down on the floor.  The head brakeman ran out the fireman’s door (unlike with most engines).  In emergency braking, impact was made, and AT&SF caboose, I think it was 999217, climbed over the frame and sheared the cab of the DDA40X off and in the process went right over the laying down engineer’s head by inches!  The caboose that had been run into soon caught up with the running down the long walkway head brakeman and decapitated him.  What a sight it was that next morning for us!  A Santa Fe big hook from Barstow, and one from San Bernardino (or Los Angeles) were dispatched to the site, and we saw UP 6903 being lifted up and put back on the tracks, minus of course, its cab.  Some things are so vivid in the mind one never forgets them.  The aftermath of the accident of UP 6903 is one of them.

And, since you are a fan of the DDA40X, Bruce, I thought you would find that story and the Pomona Fairplex photos quite attention getting.

In the past, when the Los Angeles County Fair was on, I’ve seen brass O-gauge models of DDA40X’s running on the club layout at the fairgrounds.  It is unknown if any DDA40X models have run on that layout of late, but the real UP 6915 is on display, and if you can get out that way during an open house, etc., you most certainly would enjoy the experience, if you haven’t already done so.

MikeF90 (9-19):

Great set of photos, Mike!  Super, really!

Was that new bridging over Alhambra Wash towards the west end of the San Gabriel Trench for one track or two?  And, that east end cement-work just ending is indeed baffling.

As I understand it, though the trench cement floor on each end kind of looks as though it rises as it comes out of the trench, in actuality the shoofly track is what changes elevation, as did the original track.  The situation is like an optical illusion …

The Victorville (CA) material…

… about biases (tendencies) and the Amtrak stop thereat is coming along better than expected, so hopefully will be posted late tonight or sometime Tuesday.  Currently, the writeup making a final application to the Sunset Route is in the works.

Best,

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Posted by Super Hunky on Monday, September 19, 2016 2:58 PM

Excellent Post MikeF90..We may have to call you KP Jr..Curious as to the drainage system for the trench..I would assume there is a big sump pit or two pumping somewhere. Probably have to have some sort of water treatment apparatus to comply with state stormwater regs..Any Idea what they bulit?

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Posted by MikeF90 on Monday, September 19, 2016 3:11 PM

K. P. Harrier
Was that new bridging over Alhambra Wash towards the west end of the San Gabriel Trench for one track or two?

It is definitely just wide enough for one track. IMO the height of the older bridge above the new trench floor suggests that it will be demolished if another track is needed.

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As I understand it, though the trench cement floor on each end kind of looks as though it rises as it comes out of the trench, in actuality the shoofly track is what changes elevation, as did the original track. The situation is like an optical illusion …

I agree that there are multiple elements of illusion going on, but my previous look at the USGS data shows what must be built. Alhambra/East Ranch wash is about 396 feet ASL (maybe lower) and San Gabriel Blvd is about 400. Therefore the new ROW must descend east of the wash into a 30 foot or so deep trench. Also note that the top of the south wall in picture 6 (adjacent to the high school) is level.

The concrete contractor(s) are working seven days a week and so I think the central part of the trench will be complete in about one month. However, work at the west end looks a little behind that schedule. Other than zillions of truckloads, anyone know what options UP might have to drop a lot of ballast in there? Question

Super Hunky
Curious as to the drainage system for the trench..I would assume there is a big sump pit or two pumping somewhere. Probably have to have some sort of water treatment apparatus to comply with state stormwater regs..Any Idea what they bulit?

Old enough to have CRS, but I think some photos might reveal a drainage system. Perhaps a 'french drain' type system will be installed under the ballast. There is a new gov't facility built just south of the former Huy Fong plant next to Rubio Wash, perhaps this is a storm water treatment plant ??

PHIMF update

Need to mention, I drove by accessible parts of the project. The siding is still incomplete; it is ballasted west of Workman Mill Road but rails and ties aren't even down to the east. Still no connections at the future CP Workman. Track has been laid west of CP Avocado Heights but has not been ballasted.

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Posted by SP657E44 on Monday, September 19, 2016 11:10 PM

Super Hunky

Excellent Post MikeF90..We may have to call you KP Jr..Curious as to the drainage system for the trench..I would assume there is a big sump pit or two pumping somewhere. Probably have to have some sort of water treatment apparatus to comply with state stormwater regs..Any Idea what they bulit?

 

I see the two drain channels on either side but yes, there has to be some way to remove storm water and treat it before discharge into storm channels. The r-o-w width west of Ramona currently used for storgage appears wide enough for a pump station, no other sites appear to have room for one.

 

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Posted by BRUCE ELLEFRITZ on Monday, September 19, 2016 11:11 PM
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Might you know if the target signals between Yuma and Estrella (AZ) have begun to be converted to color light ones yet?  If I could take I-10 instead of I-8 on my next adventure a few hours could be saved.”  I don’t know, I could try to run out there in a couple weeks if that helps.  I do want to explore out there more.  I also want to look at the line from Buckeye AZ down toward Yuma.  Looked at the satellite last night and I’m seeing some cars on the tracks.  They might have parked a lot of flat cars or well cars out there.  I also want to go back to Raton Pass area in New Mexico and get pictures of all the semaphore signals still there.  Unk if they are functional.
 
Thanks K.P. for all the insight.  I was around when the DDA40X was in its heyday.  Born in 1953, I lived mostly on Air Force bases until 1969 so I didn’t see a lot of railroad activity then.  My Dad built me a HO table in the very early 1960’s in the basement at Minot AFB, N.D.  Then we moved to Phoenix, and living in north Phoenix, I was always away from the railroads.  I got back into HO about three years ago.
 
I look forward to visiting all those locomotives you mentioned.  I really want to hook up with 6936.  Especially if it’s on the rails.  I’ve seen several YouTube videos of 6936 and it sounds awesome.  Now that I’m retired, it will be a lot easier to get to these types of activities.  I currently have in HO about 15 Bachmann DDA40X and about 8 Athearn Genesis DDA40X, including one 6936.  I also have several Athearn SD40’s in the Fast Forty series.  Speaking of cabooses, another reason I want to model the era from 1969 to 1985 is because cabooses were being used.  And little or no graffiti, I hate graffiti.
 
6944 after it was repainted at Norfolk Southern's Altoona Shops in 2015.  Gorgeous. 
UP 6944

About month ago I went down State Route 85 and saw a new Fertizona plant in Buckeye with rail service and some LNG tank cars parked there.  Want to try and catch switching ops there.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:08 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part I (of I-VII)

Before we get started, a word about the BNSF east slope of Cajon Pass and Victorville (CA).  Located at milepost 39.1 is the “natural crossover” where biases or tendencies reverse, and generally follow the historic ways of Automatic Block Signal (ABS) days of “double track” even with today’s CTC “Two Tracks.”

The old downtown Victorville is railroad east a bit from that natural crossover, and towards the above photo’s background top left.

A similar natural crossover just happens to be on the Sunset Route in the Cienega Creek area of Arizona, east of Tucson and Vail.  File photo from Kevin Gray:

Continued in Part II

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:18 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part II (of I-VII)

K.P. arrived at the Amtrak station in Victorville, not much more than a parking lot and ramps now, and as usual arrival was seconds after an eastbound’s power passed!  It was on Main 2, the old eastbound track in ABS days.  Note the Amtrak walkways.

A westbound BNSF shortly thereafter shows up, on Main 1, the old westbound track in ABS days.

Continued in Part III

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:23 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part III (of I-VII)

The Amtrak “station” is little more than a sign, sidewalks, and a lot of rocks.

An eastbound BNSF soon shows up.

Again, that train is on the typical eastbound biased track, Main 2, a common tendency.

A railroad westbound review of the Main 1 Amtrak platform:

Continued in Part IV

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:52 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part IV (of I-VII)

Incidentally, railroad east of that Amtrak stop is some parked BNSF local power.

Ah, a westbound UP shows up, off the LA&SL.  It will cross or get onto the Sunset Route in a few hours down in the Colton area.

Above, note that UP is a slower, heavy freight.  And, it conforms to the traditional bias, right running east of that natural crossover for that westbound train.

It passes and stops!  Shadows are becoming more pronounced in this setting sun environment.

Above, a good look at the cement Amtrak platforms are had.

Since the UP had stopped, something must be brewing!  Likely, a runaround is in the works.  Sure enough, a BNSF comes, on Track 2 this time, traveling against the normal bias.

  

Continued in Part V

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:56 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part V (of I-VII)

More …

Continued in Part VI

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:00 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part VI (of I-VII)

While we are waiting for something else to happen, it is noted that truck trailers are across that track, by ballast and ties.

Another Main 2 westbound BNSF shows up, running around that UP:

Above, on that last view, look how close those GE wheel truck parts are to the platform!

Continued in Part VII

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:10 PM

Pondering Dispatching, Biases (Think Tendency) …

…  and Amtrak Stops

Part VII (of I-VII)

Now, another BNSF eastbound shows up, as eastbounds normally do, on Track 2.

But, wait, something is happening.  The UP train starts moving west.  Those runaround westbounds had crossed back over (after the runaround) and had gotten sufficiently ahead for the signal at FROST to clear.

So, as was seen in this short series and photos, biases are very real and with CTC are commonly more pronounced as a line has more and more traffic.  The Sunset Route and the BNSF San Bernardino, CA to Belen, NM section can hardly be compared, as two-tracking on the Sunset Route is relatively new and still incomplete, whereas the BNSF (formerly AT&SF) western section of the Transcon has long been “double track” and now totally “two-tracks” by timetable and General Code of Operating Rules (GCOR) definition.

It is hoped this settles any controversy about biases or tendencies.  The relatively new Tucson-Estrella (AZ) section of the Sunset Route two-tracks is controlled by a DS with a bunch of single-track, so it is not surprising that observers often see trains running sometimes without a discernable bias or tendency.  But, as the full DS territory becomes two-tracked, dispatchers will find they just don’t have the time to run trains against the biases for the sake of doing so.  The DS territory east of Tucson proves that, and that territory has been completely two-tracked for some time now.  If there are any doubting Thomas types left among us, they will just have to wait until Yuma to Estrella actually has two-tracks.  Surely they will become bias / tendency believers then …

Another angle to the bias matter is traffic volume.  The two-track portion of the Sunset Route between Los Angeles and El Paso is far from reaching capacity, and it has been said that UP has deliberately kept it that way UNTIL the remaining portion is two-tracked.  Thereafter, as more and more traffic is routed on the Sunset Route, the biases will become more pronounced.  The DS whim factor will become less and less likely.  And, the only way K.P. knows of getting faster trains around a slower one in a fleet meeting a fleet situation is to do it way in advance, then set all the signals to fleeting and let the territory run itself thereafter.

As far as platforms are concerned, like the presently super short one at Maricopa, AZ, those platforms probably come about by how much money cities or towns want to (or can politically) donate.  Amtrak can hardly expect private industry railroads to donate money to the passenger carriage cause.  Interesting situation …

It has been said in this thread that UP track layouts don’t mess well with Amtrak.  Again, private industry can hardly be expected to donate money to the Amtrak cause.  If Amtrak reconciled the fact that IF it contributed more for the railroads’ infrastructure, it might find the railroads easier to work with.  But, only a whopping amount of money would have to be Amtrak-contributed on the Sunset Route for that to happen.

This will end the series.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:26 PM

BRUCE ELLEFRITZ (9-19):

About those Sunset Route target signals along I-8 in Arizona, ‘a couple of weeks before you get out there’ might be too late.  Things are still up in the air, especially if New Mexico will be visited too.  And, Buckeye!  I’ve resolved to check that area too on this trip.  Aerials show new color light ABS signals out that way …

So, you are an old semaphore fan!  And, you want to photograph them in New Mexico on the old Raton Pass line.  Hey, if (“if”) you are a nostalgia buff, you might like to drop by the M.P. 705 marker on your way north to Raton.  When I was a teenager, I knew an old towermen in San Bernardino, CA.  He told me about two warbonneted passenger trains that head-on crunched; one was going about 60 M.P.H. and went into an occupied siding.  I think it was a 1999 TRAINS Magazine that profiled that wreck.  It so inspired me I soon drove out there and saw the site for myself.  And, I’ve been out there a few other times too.  It looks almost as it did in 1956, except the siding is gone, and switch involved in the head-on is obviously gone too.  I had brought the magazine with me, and one photo showed a full length dome car being re-railed right by mile marker 705.  I said, this happen right here!  What a visit to the site that was!

That was a cool photo of DDA40X UP 6944.  What especially caught my attention was its display location.  My daughter lives not too far from there.  I’ll have to make it a point to visit UP 6944 next time I’m out there.

If you go out west of Arizona Highway 85, be careful.  If you go too far you get into a no man’s land.  When I was out by Hyder a number of years back auto-racks were parked on the Phoenix line.  Aerials show those auto-racks are gone now.  The desolate, spooky area between civilization and civilization was where that 1995 saboteur derailed Amtrak No. 1.  So, in your travels, don’t go too far, unless you’re the super adventurous type and are well equipped.

Take care,

K.P.

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Posted by diningcar on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:02 AM

KP, thanks for the excellent analysis of the operations at Victorville - Frost, and of course this applies further down the Cajon grade toward San 'Berdo'.

This very unique operation has a long history that is best sumarized by just acknowleging that Santa Fe needed a second main track to lesson the gradient for heavy trains accending toward Victorville and Barstow. It is further acknowleged by the construction of a third main track in very recent history. Under these unique circumstances there had to be a "bias' created to allow the eastward trains to accend Cajon Pass using the lessor grade and it will always be that way on Cajon Pass. 

Yes, the creation of a second main track between Alb-Belen and Barstow also allowed the 2nd main to be on a lessor grade, but not a significantly lessor one and only for short distances. Prior to the installation of CTC Santa Fe ran with a left bias for westward trains over this lengthy route but not any more. The much less severe grades between Barstow and Belen allow the DS's to use either track in either direction and they do so using CTC  to expedite priority trains (3&4) and the "Z" freights. 

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Posted by SP657E44 on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:37 PM

San Gabriel Trench Drainage:

Water flows in the trench will drain to the channels visible in the pictures then following the flow line descending eastward to a pipe leading into Rubio Wash.

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Posted by mvs on Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:47 PM

K.P. #1 -- that would be something!  I would be happy with a third track over Beaumont and curve realignment...

 

K.P. #2 -- you are brave to scout the Victorville platform!  I wonder if ridership would improve if they moved the station somewhere in the grand expanse of land between Victorville and Hesperia.  Would that serve the Victor Valley better?

 

Mike -- thanks for sharing those San Gabriel Trench pictures.  Wow, progress is certainly being made.

 

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mvs (9-16):  What the Heck is Going On?

Great ears to pick out that RADIO announcement about the Fullerton Road (LA&SL) underpass groundbreaking in the City of Industry (CA) area!  It must be too new, as I could not find anything on the Internet about it.  But, you are saying the project is for four tracks, which is most fascinating!  An aerial:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9969242,-117.9049813,100m/data=!3m1!1e3

An aerial also of the LA&SL underpass construction to the east, at Nogales Street, shows the new two-track bridge with another bridge addition under construction for two more tracks!

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9977136,-117.8882872,100m/data=!3m1!1e3

One has to wonder what is going on.   And, then too, mvs, we remember the Sunset Ave. underpass in Banning that you first alert us to some months back, which construction is now finished.  That was for four-tracks.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9236444,-116.9117666,199m/data=!3m1!1e3

Maybe (“maybe”) the great master plan is for four tracks from Indio to Los Angeles, two-tracks going via Riverside and two via Fontana (West Colton Yard), with the Alhambra Sub Pomona to Los Angeles being sold to Metrolink but UP would retain trackage rights!  There has to be some reason for all these four-track bridges over underpasses that are springing up now!

Can you imagine, mvs, a FOUR-track line snaking through San Timoteo Canyon between Redlands and Beaumont (CA)?  Constructing something like THAT would add a whole new dimension to this thread!

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Posted by ANDY117 on Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:51 PM

As of about 2 weeks ago, the searchlight signals are still intact from at least Gila Bend to Shawmut. The roads had taken a beating from the monsoons, so beware if you want to head down the trail towards the 867 signals by Shawmut.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Friday, September 23, 2016 6:48 PM

mvs
K.P. #2 -- you are brave to scout the Victorville platform! I wonder if ridership would improve if they moved the station somewhere in the grand expanse of land between Victorville and Hesperia. Would that serve the Victor Valley better?

I've not had issues with the Victorville platform since they purposely removed the adjacent park (a popular homeless encampment). I'm not sure that a new station would attract significant customers for the Southwest Chief to offset the cost of a platform and suburbanite friendly secure parking. AFAIK SANBAG isn't surveying V.V. commuter patterns in order to justify a Metrolink extension that could share that cost; they're too busy with the Redlands extension boondoggle. Clown Snail Zzz Dots - Sign

Back to Pomona area news. The latest ACE agenda states: "The storm culvert had to be completed by October 15 as construction on this culvert could not be done during the County’s wet season (Oct 15 through March 15). To construct the culvert UPRR needed to temporarily relocate some existing tracks. Unfortunately, Union Pacific’s work on-site was delayed, which pushed our contractor’s project schedule beyond October into the wet season. Based on this, the culvert work will have to wait until next summer." 

This seems to mean that the Al sub diversion won't happen until then, but the LA sub track shifts and possibly CP Hamilton reconfiguration may proceed. More wait and see ....

 

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, September 23, 2016 7:37 PM
VVille was always an experience after dark in the early 90’s. Between the urban outdoorsmen, “Jesus and Friends” missionaries, the patrons and dancers from “Snookies”, the occasional person recently discharged from the hospital and several sets of UP and ATSF helpers, there was plenty to watch.

 

We could tell when the SW from SBD was close as they would hold a train near I-15 to allow for a crossing at Frost.  I think the Desert Wind usually mad its appearance around noon.
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Posted by Pete-M3 on Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:17 AM

K.P. and FOTSRDTT (Friends of the Sunset Route Double Tracking Thread) ;-),

There was an interesting interview in Railway Age (www.railwayage.com) recently with UP Chief Financial Officer Rob Knight.  He was quoted as saying that of UP’s $3.75 billion capex budget, about $2 billion is allocated for replacement projects. He stated that “Our large projects (double-tracking the Sunset Route, for example) are mostly complete". He also added that rumors of a track speed reduction on UP’s triple-track line through Nebraska (North Platte to Omaha) were untrue.

So, it's good to hear that there are no speed reductions contemplated in Nebraska, but to say that the Sunset Route double-tracking is nearly completed? Wow. As I ball-park it, there are well over 100 miles to go, mostly in Arizona. 

The PTC deadline is December 31, 2018, about 27 months from now. That brings us to the question that K.P. has pondered: will they get cracking and double track the remainder and do PTC or just do PTC and say "close enough"?

Finally, I don't know or remember if it's been covered here on not, but there were also a few paragraphs about U.P.'s Long Rail program that involves importing high-strength, head-hardened rail from Japan in a purpose-built ship ( the Pacific Spike) in 480 foot lengths (only 2 welds need to make a 1/4 mile ribbonrail). Yes, I know that it's a little more that 1/4 mile, but that's what they said.

Pete

 

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Saturday, September 24, 2016 11:56 AM

Hey MikeF90 … A whole Street, Businesses …

… and Vehicles have Landed by the …

… San Gabriel Trench Site!

In your last fine photo-post series you, MikeF90, mentioned there was no street for better views in the area of the southeast quadrant of the San Gabriel Trench construction.  That sure sounded right, because the numerous times K.P. has been to the Trench area he never saw a street in the southeast quadrant either.  One must have landed overnight as aerials now show there is one!  On an unexpected opportunity to visit the site, I took and have a photo of that street to prove the street is real!  I wasn’t dreaming …

And what views can be had from that street’s end that is just about 30-50 feet from the shoofly track!

MikeF90 … A supervisor said they will …

… Start Laying Track in the Trench Next Month!

That is what the gentleman said!  Next month!  Another person nearby said Phase II will be started next month too, and all THIS work I was seeing has to be done by then!!

SP657E44, I Saw what You Meant

The drainage ‘channels’ you mentioned gives the trench a very different look!  While the below photo lacks a cement flooring yet (assumedly), the areas that do have the cement floor look so different now with the channeling!

The above photo was shot from that seemingly ‘landed overnight’ street …

Extremes!

On this visit there seemed to be more construction activity than K.P. has ever seen at both ends of the under construction trench!  Kind of in the middle, at Del Mar Ave., things were very quiet, but new, decorative fencing formwork was being added for the first time!

Coming Post Series

Total photos taken for the day were 224, 174 of which were for this thread.  MikeF90’s posting inspired K.P. to see the project for himself, but more activity was happening and noise heard than he had ever encountered there before at the trench!  As soon as K.P. can get everything ready (a few days) he will post the material for the forum to see for itself.
 
Andy117 (9-22):

It was great to read your onsite report from Gila Bend to Shawmut, that NO signal conversions and upgrades are taking place in that stretch.

From that report, I was going to take I-10 instead of I-8.  But, I reviewed the mileages, and the differences in the routes is not significant, so I’ll check out Glamis, CA. and the situation parallel to the Sunset Route I-8 much of the way.  Either on the way or when returning, checking out the Buckeye, AZ area is planned, and all the new color light signals out that way on the Phoenix Line.

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Stay safe everyone,

K.P.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Saturday, September 24, 2016 5:26 PM

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UP Chief Financial Officer Rob Knight .... stated that “Our large projects (double-tracking the Sunset Route, for example) are mostly complete".

Statements coming from a CFO purposely may be weasel worded, that's part of their job description for Wall Street facing communication. As it stands the Sunset Corridor 2MT is ~83% (mostly) complete. I took that quote to mean that they'll be following their current conservative philosophy, which is to skip over 15-20 miles of single track and then add 20+ miles of new 2MT.  When the PTC spending bulge winds down, we'll see what happens on the Gila sub. Keep an eye out for grading! 

As for the pics from the 'mysterious' Earle Street in San Gabriel, I noted the track elevation and distance from the 'tape fence' and declined to investigate further. Looking forward to seeing the photons that made it through K.P.'s high power telephoto ....

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:10 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Schedule:

Monday, September 26, 2016, Parts A-I (9 posts)

Wednesday, September 28, 2016:  Parts J-P (7 posts)

Above Parts to be posted by 9:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time on the scheduled date, but could be posted up to 12 hours early.

Part “A” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

First stop is Walnut Grove Ave.  Looking eastbound, the new high and wide detector is seen.  Orange cones are by the tracks.  Unseen, some type of digging machine is out of view on the left.

A broad westbound overview:

The shoofly, looking westbound:  Note the San Gabriel Blvd. new bridge left of center.

Below, note the cleared right-of-way on the left of the I-beams and the uneven ballast roadway on the far left just ahead of a business building.  That is where Earle Ave. is located, and an access route is located for construction crews.

Continued in Part B

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:13 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Part “B” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

A more centered view of that future right-of-way:

Above, underneath the San Gabriel Blvd bride, the ‘trench” walls curving in the background is seen.

We now head over to that Earle Ave., which is actually in the City of Rosemead.

Continued in Part C

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:17 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Part “C” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

At Earle Ave. by the trench and Sunset Route, the new waterway is seen.

Looking the other way, westbound, a surveyor’s very modern but very lopsided theodolite and yellow tripod is present.  I guess the Walsh (the contractor for the trench) surveyor did the best he could under the circumstances and uneven ground.

Continued in Part D

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:23 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Part “D” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

The railroad shoofly bridge over Rubio Wash is seen.  Earle Ave. is halfway between Walnut Grove Ave. and that Rubio Wash.

Another westward telephoto of that partially install waterway and the San Gabriel Blvd. Bridge in the background:

We get ready to leave Earle Ave. and head over to San Gabriel Blvd. to the west, but before we do, a last look east is taken, of the Walnut Grove grade crossing and crossing gates.  Look at all those vertical I-beams on the left!

Just one more Earle Ave. look from Grand Ave., northward:

Continued in Part E

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:26 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Part “E” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

A street half a block south of the San Gabriel Blvd grade crossing is parked on, and a short walk is made.

What an eastward view is had!  And, of all the activity going on!

Above, note the building by Earle Ave. on the upper right, and the water channel just left of it.  And, a train is coming on the upper left!

Continued in Part F

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Monday, September 26, 2016 10:29 AM

Update as of Friday, September 23, 2016

The San Gabriel Trench

San Gabriel Area, CA

Part “F” (of A-I, Overall A-P)

The train is getter closer.  K.P. has no idea what the ramp-like dirt on the photo bottom is all about.

The train goes zipping by.

Continued in Part G

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