nanaimo73 wrote:The Utah and Northern (?), built from Utah (Ogden?) to Silver Bow (Butte), which was absorbed by, and still operated by, Union Pacific.
Close enough. Utah & Northern Railroad incorporated 1871 to build Ogden-Butte, reorganized 1878 as Utah & Northern Railway, consolidated with Oregon Short Line in 1889 as Oregon Short Line & Utah Northern Railway, reorganized 1897 as Oregon Short Line Railroad, leased to Union Pacific Railroad in 1936, merged into Union Pacific Railroad in 1987. Standard-gauged in 1887 (all on one day).
The first train arrived Butte December 21, 1881. UP interests subsequently built the Montana Union Railroad from Butte to the NP main line at Garrison. The Montana Union, including the Silver Bow-Butte line, was leased to NP for 999 years.
RWM
I forgot the line extended to Garrison. Oops.
Next question,
During 1967, there were 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. From north to south, these were Chicago Great Western; Illinois Central; Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific; Chicago and North Western; Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific; Chicago, Burlington and Quincy; and the Norfolk and Western. Ten years later (1977) there were still 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. What were they ?
1. CNW
2. CRIP
3. MLWK
4. BN
5. NW
6. ICG
7. MP? (via trackage rights from KC)
nanaimo73 wrote: Next question,During 1967, there were 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. From north to south, these were Chicago Great Western; Illinois Central; Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific; Chicago and North Western; Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific; Chicago, Burlington and Quincy; and the Norfolk and Western. Ten years later (1977) there were still 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. What were they ?
I'm not sure if these were all in operation in 1977 but will swag it and say:
Chicago Central
Iowa Interstate
ICE
Norfolk Southern
Burlington Northern
Union Pacific
Soo
Mark
Railway Man wrote: Close enough. Utah & Northern Railroad incorporated 1871 to build Ogden-Butte, reorganized 1878 as Utah & Northern Railway, consolidated with Oregon Short Line in 1889 as Oregon Short Line & Utah Northern Railway, reorganized 1897 as Oregon Short Line Railroad, leased to Union Pacific Railroad in 1936, merged into Union Pacific Railroad in 1987. Standard-gauged in 1887 (all on one day). The first train arrived Butte December 21, 1881. UP interests subsequently built the Montana Union Railroad from Butte to the NP main line at Garrison. The Montana Union, including the Silver Bow-Butte line, was leased to NP for 999 years.RWM
RWM.
It might be stretching it a bit to call it a western railroad but the old Houston East & West Texas also qualifies. It was originally built as a narrow gauge road between Houston and Shreveport. The old "Rabbit" was later abosorbed by the SP (T&NO) and was a secondary line of that road until the UP acquired the SP. Today it is an integral part of the main UP route for southbound traffic from Chicago and St. Louis to Houston and points in south Texas.
Re: Railroad History Quiz Game (Come on in and play)
Dale, you are one stern taskmaster! A correct answer calls not only for comprehensive historical knowledge but also the complicated logic I recall from the Grad Record Exam! " border="0" width="25" height="20" />
I hope I won't be any wronger than the norm . . . not sure, but here's a guesstimate, and no attempt to order them geographically:
2. Burlington Northern
3. Soo
4. CRI&P, but only if the "suitors" hadn't struck yet. (I do recall the co. had to run a Rocket post-1971 because, like Sou.Rwy. and D&RGW, they hadn't joined Amtrak, not that the arrangement necessarily lasted after CRI&P entered receivership.) Note that you asked for seven roads that "stretched" Chgo to Council Bluffs; so even if the line was in receivership and not operating, it would still "stretch", no? (assuming the track was extant in 1977, and I believe it was).
5. IC (if 1977 was pre-Whitman Corp. severance of branch lines fr mainlines)
6. CN
7. [old] Wisconsin Central
<<alternate substitute answer for nos. 4 and 5 above: ATSF; Iowa Interstate; Milwaukee Road>>
(Note to contestants: Readers, IIRC from the book MAIN LINES, at some point the Chgo Gt Western lines were ripped up; remember Saunders relating that the N-S, E-W axis of company lines X'ing at Oelwein, IA, were ripped up and no trace remaining. Track may have been ripped up post-Staggers act in the early eighties but as far as I know no one ever took over CGW and tried to run it; according to Saunders, their lines were hilly, and they didn't upgrade to heavier rail when they should have, lack of $$$. That's why I scratched CGW entirely.)
Dale, aren't we due something of a hint at this point? Or at least indicate where any of us has erred? - a. s.
al-in-chgo
PS: Sorry for the redundant and awkward formatting. I kept getting 404's when I tried to post so cut-and-pasted the whole durn thing. -- hope it worked!
snagletooth wrote: 1. CNW 2. CRIP 3. MLWK 4. BN 5. NW 6. ICG 7. MP
1. CNW 2. CRIP 3. MLWK 4. BN 5. NW 6. ICG 7. MP
Well done. These are the seven I was looking for. MP joined the club in 1976.
al-in-chgo wrote: Dale, aren't we due something of a hint at this point? Or at least indicate where any of us has erred? - a. s.
Sorry about that Al, something came up and I've been dealing with it for the last 8 hours.
nanaimo73 wrote: I forgot the line extended to Garrison. Oops.Next question,During 1967, there were 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. From north to south, these were Chicago Great Western; Illinois Central; Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific; Chicago and North Western; Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific; Chicago, Burlington and Quincy; and the Norfolk and Western. Ten years later (1977) there were still 7 different freight railroads connecting Chicago with Omaha/Council Bluffs. What were they ?
I'm pretty good at anything involving maps. Railroad maps from all time periods are burned into my brain. It's interesting how we all have our areas of specialty. (For example, I know nothing about diesel locomotives - they mostly look the same to me.)
Let's see....
The CGW was aquired by C&NW in 1968. Most of the Illinois portion of this line was abandoned by 1972.
1977:
1. ICG
2. CMStP&P (Just a few years before this line was discontinued. I remember those trains blasting by at 10 MPH. Smoke would be everywhere.)
3. C&NW
4. CRI&P (Rock Island shut down in 1980; IAIS didn't come around until 1984. The interim Iowa Railroad Co. never reached Chicago, stopping at Bureau, IL.)
5. BN
6. N&W (NS in 1982. They later discontinued their track to Council Bluffs.)
7. Mo-Pac (via aquired C&EI trackage into Chicago.)
Is it now time for someone to post a new question? - al
Well, it looks like I finally got one.
OK, my hometown of Aurora, IL. is well known for the CB&Q, now BNSF. At one time, Aurora had 6 railroads serving it (not including the local streetcar operations). Name those 6 six railroads.
I certainly could be wrong but I don't think the Milw Road ever ran to or thru Aurora.
Off the top of my head I can think of only four.
CB&Q, C&NW, EJ&E, CA&E
I seem to remember that at one time Aurora was served by at least one other interurban road that possibly ran between Aurora and Joliet but I'm at a loss to come up with its name. I vaguely recall that there may have been a road with Fox River as part of its name but I can't remember any more than that.
Unless it was the CRI&P (and I don't actually believe it ever did) I can't think of any other major road that might at one time have served Aurora.
KCSfan wrote: I certainly could be wrong but I don't think the Milw Road ever ran to or thru Aurora.
nanaimo73 wrote: KCSfan wrote: I certainly could be wrong but I don't think the Milw Road ever ran to or thru Aurora. The Milwaukee reached Aurora from De Kalb with a line that was abandoned in 1943. From there, they had trackage rights on the EJ&E to Joliet, and then another line to Momence.
Thanks nanaimo for enabling me to meet my objective of learning something new each day. I remember the Milw road operation from Joliet southeast to around Momence where it met their former CT&SE line from Chicago to southern Indiana but was not aware of the Joliet - Aurora -Dekalb line.
snagletooth wrote:There was one road to Joliet and another to Dekalb. They later came under control of a class 1 road, and that's what I'm looking for. But extra points for anyone who can name those two lines original roads
Snaggletooth, in light of the info nananimo posted I'll add the Milw Road to my original four, the CB&Q, C&NW, EJ&E and CA&E. I still can't name the sixth road.
KCSfan wrote: snagletooth wrote:There was one road to Joliet and another to Dekalb. They later came under control of a class 1 road, and that's what I'm looking for. But extra points for anyone who can name those two lines original roadsSnaggletooth, in light of the info nananimo posted I'll add the Milw Road to my original four, the CB&Q, C&NW, EJ&E and CA&E. I still can't name the sixth road.Mark
Those five, plus the Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric? The person who suggested that the interurban line along the Fox River should probably get credit.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
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Snaggletooth,
My curiosity got the best of me so I searched the net and found the names of two interurbans that served Aurora in addition to the CA&E. Since that's considered "cheating" I'll hold off posting them and let someone else see if they can name them.
Since this particular game is over and I've been declared the winner I'll name the two interurabans that I found by searching google. First was the Joliet Plainfield and Aurora. Following a bankruptcy it was reorganized into two distinct roads, the Joliet and Eastern and the Aurora Plainfield and Joliet.
I'll think of a new question and post it in bit.
Marl
OK here's the next question. Where are the railroad bridges across the Mississippi River downstream from St. Louis located and what railroads currently use each of them? As a bonus name the railroads that formerly ran over each of them.
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
And my favorite, the Vicksburg bridge, which I last crossed on a back platform of an office car on an early spring evening, listening to the croak of bullfrogs and the creak of the intermodal cars. A fog bank was laying down on the river as if the black steel trestle bents were floating on a cloud. Looking down we could see the lights of the barge tows glimmering through the fog, and a searchlight from a tugboat briefly flick on, glance across our train, then go dark. One of those moments when the railroad is truly wonderful (unlike looking glumly at my email at 0500 7 days a week).
Twp more bridges to go but I also asked you to name the railroads that use each of them. The UP for the Thebes bridge is correct but the CN does not use the bridge across the Mighty Miss at Memphis. The only place the its predecessor, IC, ever operated in Arkansas was at Helena which it reached by means of a car ferry. The UP is also a user of the H P Long bridge at NO but other roads use it as well.
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