Poppa_Zit wrote: Murphy Siding wrote: joseph2 wrote:I wonder if names confuse potential shippers ? Because NS doesn't go South from Norfolk,BNSF doesn't go North of Burlington nor to Sante Fe,CSX sounds like a chemical and biological warfare device.Canadian Pacific sounds great. Mainly in jest,JoeI'm fairly certain, that BNSF goes north of Burlington, Iowa.Maybe he meant Burlington, Vermont.
Murphy Siding wrote: joseph2 wrote:I wonder if names confuse potential shippers ? Because NS doesn't go South from Norfolk,BNSF doesn't go North of Burlington nor to Sante Fe,CSX sounds like a chemical and biological warfare device.Canadian Pacific sounds great. Mainly in jest,JoeI'm fairly certain, that BNSF goes north of Burlington, Iowa.
joseph2 wrote:I wonder if names confuse potential shippers ? Because NS doesn't go South from Norfolk,BNSF doesn't go North of Burlington nor to Sante Fe,CSX sounds like a chemical and biological warfare device.Canadian Pacific sounds great. Mainly in jest,Joe
Maybe he meant Burlington, Vermont.
Or Burlington, Wisconsin.
TimChgo9 wrote: Poppa_Zit wrote: This thread is much like those where railroads are chided by phoamers for patching locomotives or failing to keep with current paint schemes or running them dirty, which "spoils" photos. Since when does a dirty loco "spoil" a photo? Not in my book. A dirty loco? Man, that's ART! Trains are working machines, I expect them, nay, want them to be dirty, and streaked, and showing the scars of working... If I want a shiny train to take a photo of, I'll go down to the Museum of Science and Industry and shoot a photo of the Zephyr. I like photos of new locomotives, but, the "worked in" ones make a better photo. (Just my .02 )
Poppa_Zit wrote: This thread is much like those where railroads are chided by phoamers for patching locomotives or failing to keep with current paint schemes or running them dirty, which "spoils" photos.
This thread is much like those where railroads are chided by phoamers for patching locomotives or failing to keep with current paint schemes or running them dirty, which "spoils" photos.
Since when does a dirty loco "spoil" a photo? Not in my book. A dirty loco? Man, that's ART! Trains are working machines, I expect them, nay, want them to be dirty, and streaked, and showing the scars of working... If I want a shiny train to take a photo of, I'll go down to the Museum of Science and Industry and shoot a photo of the Zephyr. I like photos of new locomotives, but, the "worked in" ones make a better photo. (Just my .02 )
Exactly. Just like a model railroad: the buildings that have been 'weathered' look far more realistic and natural than a new one (unless one is modelling the ultramodern).
Well of course BNSF does go north from Burlington IA, up the Mississippi to the Twin Cities. I see the line every day going to/from work. BNSF serves Duluth/Superior and the Mesabi Range, they might even still have the old NP "M&I" line to the Canadian border country by Lake of the Woods??
BTW since Canadian Pacific came up...they're now "Canadian Pacific", their employees have been instructed not to refer to it as "Canadian Pacific Railway" (or "Railroad") anymore, and Railway is being removed from all CP equipment. Not sure why??
choochoobuff wrote:I would actually like to see the old Chessie cat on a CSX loco.
csx engineer
Wal-Rail....
Walmart posted revenues of 93 billion dollars last quarter...they probably could and maybe someday will buy a railroad.
Ulrich wrote: Walmart posted revenues of 93 billion dollars last quarter...they probably could and maybe someday will buy a railroad.
The only railroad that they would buy would have to be a non-union operation.
non-union with mexicans operating chineese-built engines....
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
Union Pacific moreso today than ever before is an approptiate name since it is a union of so many other roads and certainly reaches the Pacific at many locations, likewise is Kansas City Southern since it runs from that city to so many southern points. Canadian Pacific is appropriately named but Canadian National is not, particularly since its acquisition of the ICG. Norfolk Southern is not at all descriptive of a road that encompasses so much of the former Conrail. As far as CSX is concerned I give up on that name as many others of you have.
With regards to BNSF Railway I can go along with the name but miss the old familiar Santa Fe. In reality the Santa Fe name was just a derivative of the road's full name, Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe which was never remotely appropriate for a railroad that reached from Chicago to California and the southwest. The city of Santa Fe was reached only by a minor branch line and neither Atchison or Topeka were points of major importance. The same could be said for the cities of Burlington and Quincy in the old CB&Q name. IMHO a really appropriate name for the BNSF would be The Great Western Railway since it primarly serves the mid, north and Pacific west (though admitedly not quite appropriate for the former Frisco line to Birmingham).
I've come to like the name, BNSF, and certainly don't expect to see it changed any time in the foreseeable future.
Mark
Ulrich wrote: Although they're great railroads, BNSF and CSX would probably benefit by renaming themselves...even borrowing from their past would be a vast improvment. Santa Fe sounds alot better than BNSF...likewise Chessie or even Clinchfield beats CSX. What do others think?
Although they're great railroads, BNSF and CSX would probably benefit by renaming themselves...even borrowing from their past would be a vast improvment. Santa Fe sounds alot better than BNSF...likewise Chessie or even Clinchfield beats CSX. What do others think?
Be carefull what you ask for..
While Deutsche Bahn (DB) recently suffered a set back when the German parliament would not consider a law to partly privatise it, it goes on buying companies in the transportation sector.
And it still wants to go the the stockmarket to get capital for more investments!
I can understand buying English Welsh and Scottish in the UK, particularly because it has a rapidly expanding French subsidiary. I can understand buying, selling and buying again of motorcarriers.
Difficult to understand is a UPS like company in Australia or renaming the freigth branch for one of those trucking subsidiaries: since 2003 it was Railion DB Logistics now it is DB Schenker (and they recently finished putting big stickers with the Railion DB Logistics on their Dutch locos).
So, before you know it, BNSF may be DB Schenker USA or something like it. Then, when you got used to the name they change it, again and again. Usually the locomotives stay red though...
greetings,
Marc Immeker
zugmann wrote: I think I hear the Waaahmbulance coming...Go buy your own railroad, then you can give it some long name that only a bunch of people on some internet forum really care about.
I think I hear the Waaahmbulance coming...
Go buy your own railroad, then you can give it some long name that only a bunch of people on some internet forum really care about.
Exactly. So long as the freight gets there on time businesses don't care if it's called BNSF, CSX, or abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz. The 1950s are over deal with it.
I can't help it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr5er4ueWBQ
(Starts about 1:00 in...)
dirtyd79 wrote:Exactly. So long as the freight gets there on time businesses don't care if it's called BNSF, CSX, or abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz. The 1950s are over deal with it.
Ulrich wrote:Dirty...take a pill already...this post wasn't meant as "serious discussion"...I really don't care if they keep or change their names...so YOU deal with it...
So, in the spirt of your "non-seriousness", if Canadian Pacific merges with Union Pacific, then the newly formed company will be know as "Pacific Pacifc".........
Wdlgln005 wrote:We may be lucky we don't have a WalMart railroad, covered with Advertising, wrapped with more ads, or covered by sponsors. Everywhere else, the ads are in your face.
Not to mention blue and white engines with a big smiley face on the nose. Or the slogan on the side, "Always lower freight rates...Always."
Jeff
Except for the C&NW merger, the UP at least used part of the other companies' names. The Pacific part.
Harry_Runyon wrote:I'm still partial to "Fred's Railroad & Tackle Shop"
Is that the line that uses those little 4 wheel "bobber" cabooses?
jeffhergert wrote: Harry_Runyon wrote:I'm still partial to "Fred's Railroad & Tackle Shop"Is that the line that uses those little 4 wheel "bobber" cabooses?Jeff
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Instead of BNSF, how about C.M. & W. (Chicago, Mississippi and Western)?
Note that the reference to the Mississippi covers the Twin Cities as well as southern connections.
Just a thought. - al
al-in-chgo wrote: Ulrich wrote: I have the gold...a little bit of it anyway...nobody has all the gold or even a big chunk of it unless you're Warren Buffett. These companies invest in new paint schemes yet do nothing about their bland names... I agree with you. Look at CSX, just initials with no real hint about heritage. But if you look at their latest annual report (and for two years prior, IMO) they seem almost bashful about their preliminary identification -- railroading -- so maybe their effort was trying to get us to think about anything other than rail? Perverse as that is, it seems to be working . . . And BNSF may even be worse -- a passel of abbreviations and an orange "wedge." Anyone who didn't know RR'ing could be excused for thinking BNSF is a banking chain (WaMu, BoA), or an advertising firm (BBDO), some high-tech outfit (TRW); maybe even an airline (KLM). Ouch! Besides, even though I admire the company tremendously I can't help thinking "Buy Norfolk Southern Fast!"
Ulrich wrote: I have the gold...a little bit of it anyway...nobody has all the gold or even a big chunk of it unless you're Warren Buffett. These companies invest in new paint schemes yet do nothing about their bland names...
I have the gold...a little bit of it anyway...nobody has all the gold or even a big chunk of it unless you're Warren Buffett.
These companies invest in new paint schemes yet do nothing about their bland names...
And BNSF may even be worse -- a passel of abbreviations and an orange "wedge." Anyone who didn't know RR'ing could be excused for thinking BNSF is a banking chain (WaMu, BoA), or an advertising firm (BBDO), some high-tech outfit (TRW); maybe even an airline (KLM). Ouch!
Besides, even though I admire the company tremendously I can't help thinking "Buy Norfolk Southern Fast!"
the KEY word there is BUY;.... not merge. I don't want to have to repaint the fleet AGAIN... I'm still not done with the first job!
Well.....I work at a plant next to the "Indiana RR".........in Illinois!
I am also partial to "WAL-RAIL". Could I be the greeter in the boxcars? "Hi welcome to WAL-RAIL where we have 15000 boxcars, but only open the doors on 3 of them AT ANY TIME!
Heh
Chuck
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