It seems to me that most folks don't actually HATE CSX, just have had some bad experiences with them directly or indirectly, and dislike or have a negative opinion CSX management and some of its employees.
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schlimm It seems to me that most folks don't actually HATE CSX, just have had some bad experiences with them directly or indirectly, and dislike or have a negative opinion CSX management and some of its employees.
I wonder, too, if the presence of anti-CSX Web sites (one in particular with a name I don't know if we're supposed to post on a family-friendly forum) might be a significant 'influencer'. History has many examples where people with no particular 'dog in a fight' one way or another decided it was 'cool' to start hating something when a critical mass of enthusiasm for hating it got established. (Or, noticed all the 'evidence' for hating CSX selectively once that point of view was established for them... an effect that I think has been observed in many other contexts, and that schlimm may have the 'right' name for.)
In my opinion, much the same thing happens with E. Hunter when that name comes up.
Wizlish schlimm It seems to me that most folks don't actually HATE CSX, just have had some bad experiences with them directly or indirectly, and dislike or have a negative opinion CSX management and some of its employees. I wonder, too, if the presence of anti-CSX Web sites (one in particular with a name I don't know if we're supposed to post on a family-friendly forum) might be a significant 'influencer'. History has many examples where people with no particular 'dog in a fight' one way or another decided it was 'cool' to start hating something when a critical mass of enthusiasm for hating it got established. (Or, noticed all the 'evidence' for hating CSX selectively once that point of view was established for them... an effect that I think has been observed in many other contexts, and that schlimm may have the 'right' name for.) In my opinion, much the same thing happens with E. Hunter when that name comes up.
Not too surpringly, the term "Bandwagon Effect" has been used to describe one of the common cognitive errors seen in the concept of "groupthink" in social psychology. The concept (not the term) seems to go back to Asch's experiments in conformity. That would seem to explain CSX and Hunter, et al..
And the anonymity of the web.
We've certainly seen here the phenomenon of someone posting mostly to stir things up.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
tree68 Wizlish I pronounce the Latin "v" about halfway between the English 'v' and 'w' sounds, and the general sound when I say it is closest to 'way-nee' for the first syllable. Having taken Latin in HS, I remember that. I'll have to dig out the Latin-English dictionary for Mook's phrase, though... Reminds me of the "g" in Samoan - which is pronounced as "ng," but not as hard as in English. The prime example is the capital of American Samoa, Pago Pago, which the uninitiated usually say as "Paygo Paygo" or pronouncing the first syllables as in hunger pangs. In reality, it's "Pahn go Pahn go, with the g kinda held on the back of your tongue. Hard to describe...
Wizlish I pronounce the Latin "v" about halfway between the English 'v' and 'w' sounds, and the general sound when I say it is closest to 'way-nee' for the first syllable.
Having taken Latin in HS, I remember that. I'll have to dig out the Latin-English dictionary for Mook's phrase, though...
Reminds me of the "g" in Samoan - which is pronounced as "ng," but not as hard as in English. The prime example is the capital of American Samoa, Pago Pago, which the uninitiated usually say as "Paygo Paygo" or pronouncing the first syllables as in hunger pangs. In reality, it's "Pahn go Pahn go, with the g kinda held on the back of your tongue. Hard to describe...
Larry (tree68) you had said to be a Conductor on the ASR ( a while back
you were going to learn to call "New Station Name at Remsen)
"Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch"
How's that coming?? [
samfp1943Larry (tree68) you had said to be a Conductor on the ASR ( a while back you were going to learn to call "New Station Name at Remsen) "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" How's that coming?? [
There are several people I know who know how to pronounce it. I'm not one of them...
samfp1943Larry (tree68) you had said to be a Conductor on the ASR ( a while back ... you were going to learn to call "New Station Name at Remsen -- "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" How's that coming??
How's that coming??
OK, everyone, let's practice!
And I encourage each of you to enter the contest when you get the pronunciation down pat...
schlimm I stand corrected, but you might try getting a funny bone transplant.
OK
So what if it isn't really the locative, it's the accusative of place, and Brian would have actually written 'EVNT' at the time...* :-)
*Yes, this is self-mocking humor.
My two cents worth...
In the "civilian" community, CSX's plant rationalizions of the 80's and 90's was VERY unpopular in the railfan community. This poisoned the perception well (not that it matters).
Moreover BNSF and NS have generally kept a steady, straightforward management style over the years. UP, with the singular exception of the post SP melt-down, has also kept a up a consistent method of running their property.
CSX, however, seems to be constantly in the headlines over turmoil in top management. Some appointments have been very questionable and contradictory, and corporate policy has been all over the road. I won't guess if this is what led to or resulted from the takeover attempt from The Children's Fund (and the current storm on the horizon), but the attempt have and will consume much management time.
I can understand Eric's feelings for his employer. I have a friend who is an engineer for CSX and he too likes his employer. My only problem with CSX happened over 20 years ago when I ran afoul of a couple of their Special Agents while taking photos near the Wayne Junction with Conrail. I was around 46 years old and had been taking pictures in the same area for over 25 years and never had a problem. These two wanted to act like the Sheriff in Rambo I and gave me a very hard time. It was a lazy summer Sunday afternoon so they probably were restless to give someone a hard time. I have never forgot it and so I am not overly sympathetic to the CSX.
Electroliner 1935 I remember riding Amtrack out of Chicago #50 and talking with the crew enroute to Cincinnati and they were talking about the NatziSouthern Dispatchers so I am not so sure that CSX was the only road distained.
I remember riding Amtrack out of Chicago #50 and talking with the crew enroute to Cincinnati and they were talking about the NatziSouthern Dispatchers so I am not so sure that CSX was the only road distained.
I am puzzled by the reference to "NatziSouthern Dispatchers." Are they dispatchers working for the former Southern Railroad? If so, they would be encountered only between Orange and Alexandria--a long way from Chicago. Were these operating crew or on-board service crew?
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"Nazi Southern" is the perjorative name for Norfolk Southern-used by both railroaders and fans alike. However, the use of this term seems to have died down since Wick (Moorman) has been at the throttle. Funny how perceptions (and reality ) changes...
Although I do not proclaim to be a railroad expert, I have spent my life studying U.S. industry leaders and their successes and / or shortcomings. I have had little respect for a corporation that hired John Snow. Several accounts I have read indicate that CSX celebrated when Snow became U.S. Treasury Secretary. Yes, Michael Ward and his team have righted the ship, but the damage Snow inflicted on CSX is why it has taken so long to come back. Then too, Snow later became chairman of Cerebus, which bought Chrysler from Daimler-Benz and helped sink it under the day-to-day "leadership" of Bob Nardelli, whom already had left a legacy of mismanagement at The Home Depot. Leadership matters. I respect CSX today. Mr. Hendrickson, I am glad that from your perspective, things are going well. Living in Indiana, we need a healthy and vibrant CSX.
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