Soo 6604 wrote: " border="0" /> Last Chance wrote:Once in a while... you have a work of art that uses something that everyone understands well. We had a two bay covered hopper with a Smurf Village replicated nearly perfectly matched to the TV series long ago roll by once. Very well done I must say.They even redid the reporting marks
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Last Chance wrote:Once in a while... you have a work of art that uses something that everyone understands well. We had a two bay covered hopper with a Smurf Village replicated nearly perfectly matched to the TV series long ago roll by once. Very well done I must say.
They even redid the reporting marks
"They even redid the reporting marks."
I guess that makes it okay then.
It looks good yes, and it would look good on the wall of a day care center, but the persons who did this did not own this rail car and they did not have permission to do this. Using that logic then I guess it would be okay to do this to someones house or car as long as the vandal repainted the house address number or the word Chevrolet back on when they were done.
SW 1200 wrote: "They even redid the reporting marks." I guess that makes it okay then. It looks good yes, and it would look good on the wall of a day care center, but the persons who did this did not own this rail car and they did not have permission to do this. Using that logic then I guess it would be okay to do this to someones house or car as long as the vandal repainted the house address number or the word Chevrolet back on when they were done.
He was making an observation not condoning graffiti. They left the reporting marks because that preserves their piece. It was stated earlier that if numbers are painted over the car would get stamped. In case you dont know what that is Ill show you a photo of a stamped car. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26333492@N07/2549055478/
Since stamping is happening quickly these days more artists are painting around numbers. Like so.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/thecurseofbrian/2348920473/in/pool-wholecars
I want someone to show me a pic of a house or vehicle with graffiti on it, it generally doesnt happen unless its a cop car. Since everyone talks about how they would feel if their house was painted over Id like to see an example of this "house".
joegreen wrote: I want someone to show me a pic of a house or vehicle with graffiti on it, it generally doesnt happen unless its a cop car. Since everyone talks about how they would feel if their house was painted over Id like to see an example of this "house".
Google Images "graffiti house." Plenty of examples, some intentional, some not.
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SW 1200 wrote: Soo 6604 wrote: " border="0" /> Last Chance wrote:Once in a while... you have a work of art that uses something that everyone understands well. We had a two bay covered hopper with a Smurf Village replicated nearly perfectly matched to the TV series long ago roll by once. Very well done I must say.They even redid the reporting marks "They even redid the reporting marks." I guess that makes it okay then. It looks good yes, and it would look good on the wall of a day care center, but the persons who did this did not own this rail car and they did not have permission to do this. Using that logic then I guess it would be okay to do this to someones house or car as long as the vandal repainted the house address number or the word Chevrolet back on when they were done.
I was just pointing out that they "redid the reporting marks"
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Nothing against you Soo6604. I am trying to make a rhetorical point that seems to escape some on this forum. That point is this: Graffiti is illegal and wrong.
And joegreen, it is not the fact that a graffitied house or car exists, it is the idea that the graffiti apoligists' argument can be extended to other objects. It doesn't take a huge a leap of imagination for a reasonable person to guess what you are going to do in the railyard tonight. Just tell me your tagger name so I can look for your "work" while I am railfanning in Illinois.
Yep, it is telling us something. It's telling us that its perfectly acceptable to vandalize private property............as long as its in the name of <cough> art.
Well, at least thats the vandal apologists spiel
tnchpsk8 wrote: To play Devil's Advocate here for a minute, why not look at this problem from a different angle. As a railroad, why not paint the car in primer, hunt down the graffiti artist and turn him loose on the car, free paint job! Establish parameters for him to work in, such as, car ID markings necessary for the railroad to conduct their business are off-limits and the artwork must in some part of it contain the artists rendtion of the owner's name/logo.
The Smurf car, Care bears and the third car all tastefully done are what I was referring to when when I made my original statement, see above. The rairoad hunts down the graffiti artist and PERMITS him to paint the car. That is not defacing private property that is artwork CONDONED by the owner. The owner is simply getting a FREE paint job.
.....I would imagine the RR would do all that's necessary to refrain to even acknowledge of any "artist's"......Let alone set up the condition that the "painters" would have a place to do their "work".
They would like to get on with railroading's business....Commerce transportation. Certainly to not be inundated with such nuisance to their rolling stock and potential liability of people tresspassing on their property.
Quentin
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You missed the whole point Pig Farmer...it's not the graffiti..it's more about how easy it is to access rolling stock. I appreciate that you aren't concerned about it...hey...if you were making the payments on that equipment you'd be concerned I'll bet...
We railfans really are not all that anal...just bringing up the point for discussion. Personally I don't care about graffiti...it simply underscores the modern "I don't give a **** about you and yours" mentality that seems to prevail in today's self centered society...this time in the name of "art". Back in the day "art" was a nice painting or sculpture. Today art can be two day old dog crap or a dress made of skin...or some spray paint abomination on a freight car..
I do remember one time when a railroad allowed the public to put graffiti on a freight car. I even took part in it.
Santa Fe brought that rail-o-gram boxcar supporting the SP/SF merger to either the 1986 or 1987 topeka railroad days. And me and my family signed it.
Ulrich wrote: You missed the whole point Pig Farmer...it's not the graffiti..it's more about how easy it is to access rolling stock. I appreciate that you aren't concerned about it...hey...if you were making the payments on that equipment you'd be concerned I'll bet...We railfans really are not all that anal...just bringing up the point for discussion. Personally I don't care about graffiti...it simply underscores the modern "I don't give a **** about you and yours" mentality that seems to prevail in today's self centered society...this time in the name of "art". Back in the day "art" was a nice painting or sculpture. Today art can be two day old dog crap or a dress made of skin...or some spray paint abomination on a freight car..
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This thread has run down the same path as previous such threads. It doesn't seem to net us much in the way of advancement one way or another. It has ended with the same polarity. So, let's move on to other topics.
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