Add me to the UP dislikers club

[TimChgo9]

In fairness & accuracy, it does not indict the entire company of 50,000+ employees, if you read the original text.  The company can't possibly be composed solely of management personnel and still be as successful as they have been.

When someone says "I hate UP" how else can that be interpreted?

"I hate how one UP employee allegedly mistreated me" would be more accurate.

what PZ said... 

[zugmann]

And there is your recruiter for the Omahaha h8trz club.... perhaps he has an application handy? 

fixed

Please don't ever change my posts like that.  To me, a man's words are one of the few things he can call his own.  So please don't alter mine.

It is a company - a business. they own CNW - so why wouldn't the slap their logo on those engines?

But they did do the CNW SD70ACE...more than other roads would do.

[Anonymous]

Guys, let's not get out-of-hand here, and even if it doesn't make any difference, I do apologize to the UP employees who are obviously on the forum (or at least some very ardent supporters).  I should indeed have titled my rant in a more appropriate way.  While I still am annoyed by the reply I received, it certainly didn't rise to the level of my complaining in a formal manner to UP management, president, etc.  I was myself in a bad mood when I got the reply from a manager who may very well have been in a bad mood too, and possibly for better reasons.  Right now, I don't bear the guy any grudge - I was blowin' off steam and I didn't word things the way I should have.  I didn't want nor expect my gripe to ignite a forum fight and have things between participants get to the point of exchanging insults, and that goes for me too with the buncha jerks comment.  Let's all simmer down.

[eolafan]

Guys, let's not get out-of-hand here, and even if it doesn't make any difference, I do apologize to the UP employees who are obviously on the forum (or at least some very ardent supporters).  I should indeed have titled my rant in a more appropriate way.  While I still am annoyed by the reply I received, it certainly didn't rise to the level of my complaining in a formal manner to UP management, president, etc.  I was myself in a bad mood when I got the reply from a manager who may very well have been in a bad mood too, and possibly for better reasons.  Right now, I don't bear the guy any grudge - I was blowin' off steam and I didn't word things the way I should have.  I didn't want nor expect my gripe to ignite a forum fight and have things between participants get to the point of exchanging insults, and that goes for me too with the buncha jerks comment.  Let's all simmer down.

Too little...too late, but I agree with the sentiment that everybody settle down and move on to another (more worthy) subject.

[zugmann]

But the most important question of all:

 

did anyone wave????? 

[CNW 6000]

Oh crap....

I bet he would've gotten a wave had he put a penny on the tracks!

[Lord Atmo]

if UP wants to slap their logos on CNWs, they should have the decency to repaint them. nothing is more insulting than going to altoona and seeing that horrid 3042 leading a train. it's the biggest insult UP can throw at me. a CNW with a UP shield on the nose. that's just sick. the day it finally gets repainted will be so relieving for me

 sure they did 1995, but i heard from a proviso employee that they dont like sending ACEs up the adams sub. so i'll never see it again anyway!

i'm sorry, but i cant sympathize for the older guys with the steam era in their past. every last museum has steam on display. green bay has a BIG BOY for crying out loud! there's plenty of places you can go to see steam in action. but nowhere to go if it's CNW you want

[zugmann]

I'll defer this to someone else...

 I have no response.  None. 

[CNW 6000]

Living near the CN mainline all I get to see are zebras.  I'd be glad even to see a patched CNW unit.  I had to drive 2 hours and use up most of a day on short notice to even see 1 unit.  At least you get something up there Max.  I'll trade that something for CN...anyday.  I don't even really mind watching the CN because I'm lucky enough to be able to watch a fairly active mainline.  There are railfans who don't even have access to tracks!

[Lord Atmo]

i know, but the track near you sees more action than mine. daytime trains for one thing. and the WC odd power (anything that isnt an SD45). i mean i'm glad i have SD40-2s instead of    SD60Fatasses sure, but it'd be nice to see them when the sun's still out.

but that's not UP's fault.

i mean i've considered patched units to still be CNWs, but that didnt fly with rrpicturearchives.net at all. if i have to call them "UP", then they're dead to me. but 3042 is just insulting any way you look at it. same with 9087.

look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha

[Anonymous]

Makes me glad I snapped what photos I did of the CNW & FRV when I lived in Oshkosh & Fond du Lac.  I remember seeing a lot of the WC SD45 green-beanies rolling across High St. downtown, and pacing a 5-engine FRV freight led by one of their few FRV-livery SD24s creeping north along old Hwy. 45 on that decrepit ex-CNW trackage.   The old low-nose ex-CNW Geep the FRV had parked in their yard down by the marina in Oshkosh always looked to me like it would up & die on the next run - seemed like the FRV was so strapped for cash they couldn't even re-stencil the reporting marks under the cab window; they just affixed a laminated card to the metal with 'FOX RIVER VALLEY RAILROAD" in black & white.

[Lord Atmo]

yeah see? you have photos. you can live with CNW's loss. how pathetic is it that i grew up with one road. the veru road that hooked me on trains. and i dont have a single photo of any one of those locomotives??!

[CopCarSS]

look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha

It's simple, really. I don't know about anyone else, but I get tired about reading posts that make reference to "Omahaha," "Crash 9's," "SD60Fat***es," "Patching America" and every other stupid thing you reference on here.

If you really enjoy being a railfan, POST SOMETHING POSITIVE for once in your life. You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again, so if that's what railfanning is to you, I suggest taking up collecting stamps, cooking exotic cuisine, crocheting or some other hobby that isn't going to cause you grief every day of your existence.

I dread the thought of any UP thread ever coming up. No matter how intelligent the discussion is, it's bound to wind up in a deluge of anti-UP hatred that is simply amazing to me.

[Anonymous]

Don't feel too bad - I'm the exact same way with the Erie Lackawanna.  I pined-away every year for the next trip to Decatur, IN to see my grandparents, just so I could watch EL freights roar through town and parallel to Hwy. 224 between Markle and Decatur, as well as the occasional PC on the former PRR Ft. Wayne-Blufton line, and the very rarily seen NW on the former NKP south of the EL main.  I never got a photo, and my dad took me out to the crossing once and we watched an F7-led EL freight whiz by headed east.  I'd almost consider hypnosis as a way to recall that engine number.

[TimChgo9]

look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha

Because it's like you are taking the merger as a personal affront, like UP singled you out personally.

[Lord Atmo]

 You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again

you can't prove that!

and stamp collecting is boring. i have several other hobbies FYI. and most of them are in big slumps too

[magicman710]

But the most important question of all:

 

did anyone wave????? 

Do we always have to bring up my thread again and again? I think what Bergie told me was right, that post had a mind of its own and nobody was at fault.

 

I do credit UP for having the heritage schemes. At least they did something..... I would however prefer they had left a real CNW or WP engine in real paint schemes. The Rio Grande scheme looks totally different that the actual one.

 

[Poppa_Zit]

Guys, let's not get out-of-hand here, and even if it doesn't make any difference, I do apologize to the UP employees who are obviously on the forum (or at least some very ardent supporters).  I should indeed have titled my rant in a more appropriate way.  While I still am annoyed by the reply I received, it certainly didn't rise to the level of my complaining in a formal manner to UP management, president, etc.  I was myself in a bad mood when I got the reply from a manager who may very well have been in a bad mood too, and possibly for better reasons.  Right now, I don't bear the guy any grudge - I was blowin' off steam and I didn't word things the way I should have.  I didn't want nor expect my gripe to ignite a forum fight and have things between participants get to the point of exchanging insults, and that goes for me too with the buncha jerks comment.  Let's all simmer down.

Eola Jim is right. Too late. You wouldn't need to backpeddle like this if you had thought about the possible ramifications before hitting the "post" button to begin this thread.

There's a Alco S-1 in CNW paint at the museum in Green Bay for those of you still mourning the demise of that railroad 12 years ago. Illinois Railway Museum has a full double-deck commuter train with locomotives.

[Lord Atmo]

ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units

why do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem

oh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.

[CopCarSS]

ALCO isnt EMD, 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units, and 1518 is in an ancient scheme

Let's not forget the fact that none of them run through Altoona, either.

[Lord Atmo]

right. they dont. what's your point?

[Anonymous]

Eola Jim is right. Too late. You wouldn't need to backpeddle like this if you had thought about the possible ramifications before hitting the "post" button to begin this thread.

Whatever.

[Lord Atmo]

i understand you miss EL, WIAR, but i have heard that there's an EL SD45 preserved somewhere. i think Ohio. did you see those in your past at all?

[magicman710]

oh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.

I believe that SD40T was takin in to be patched, I read it in a railfan magazine. It was working in a town called Helper, Utah, right? If so, It was patched.

EDIT: Just checked on the internet, apperently 5371 will be saved. I credit UP with that too.

 

[Midnight Railroader]

I do credit UP for having the heritage schemes. At least they did something.....

You do realize UP is doing that to maintain in use the trademarks from railroads they've absorbed, so they won't expire, right?

[CopCarSS]

what's your point?

Shhhh...don't tell anyone, but it's all a big conspiracy, and they are all out to get you. There's a covert organization dedicated to the eradication of any and all CNW paint, especially on EMD spartan cab locomotives destined for Altoona...

[Willy2]

ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units

why do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem

Because there's no reason to hate Omaha, that's why people don't understand. I really don't know why you feel that Union Pacific "ruined the past of people like me". It's like you think the UP merged with CNW for the sole purpose of destroying your life. I guarantee you, they didn't.

You live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?

[TimChgo9]

look, guys. i dont see the problem here. why cant you just let me hate on UP until i somehow get a chance to see a CNW locomotive again? sure they're all gone, but museums still take stuff. they might get an SD40-2 or something and repaint it. but until that day, i have no other way to cope with this tragic loss than to hate on those reponsible for it. omaha

It's simple, really. I don't know about anyone else, but I get tired about reading posts that make reference to "Omahaha," "Crash 9's," "SD60Fat***es," "Patching America" and every other stupid thing you reference on here.

If you really enjoy being a railfan, POST SOMETHING POSITIVE for once in your life. You're not going to see a standard cab EMD painted in CNW colors ever again, so if that's what railfanning is to you, I suggest taking up collecting stamps, cooking exotic cuisine, crocheting or some other hobby that isn't going to cause you grief every day of your existence.

I dread the thought of any UP thread ever coming up. No matter how intelligent the discussion is, it's bound to wind up in a deluge of anti-UP hatred that is simply amazing to me.

I have to agree.  I don't know what UP ever did (and I am sure someone will tell me....please, let's not go there) to engender such a reaction.  I spent quite a few years of my youth hanging out along the ICG...... Chicago Central took them over, and then IC bought it back, and now it's CN. Am I supposed to hate CN now? I mean after all, because of "them" the orange and white no longer chuffs along through Hillside, and part of my past has been removed.....Oh geez...will you get over yourself, Atmo?   They didnt' ruin my past... you can't ruin a past, the past is the past, and it is what it is. You know what? I still have the great memories of summers as a young kid chasing trains. It was the best, I miss it, but then, time, and life, go on. So to blame the UP for "ruining your past" is about....well, I'll just leave it now.  Like CopCarSS said....find something positive about railfanning, or find another hobby. 

Hearing about how one railroad or the other is reviled around here, gets a little old. 

[Anonymous]

i understand you miss EL, WIAR, but i have heard that there's an EL SD45 preserved somewhere. i think Ohio. did you see those in your past at all?

Definitely - I distinctly remember the outline of the SD45s, especially one I saw on the lead running long-hood forward through Decatur.  It wasn't often I saw EL low-nose hoods running that way on the lead.  The preserved unit I think was in Missouri last I heard.

 

[Lord Atmo]

ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units

why do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem

You live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?

i dont have gas money. and what good would seeing those do for my problem?