Lord Atmo wrote:ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemoh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.
ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab units
why do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem
oh and magicman, there still is one DRGW locomotive left. and under UP's protection. DRGW 5371, a mighty rio grande SD40T-2, carries out service in Utah now.
They didn't ruin your past. One corporate entity bought another one. Of ocurse they painted or logo'd the engines... that's what you do when you buy a company. Are there sprint fans that whined when embarq put the new logos on the trucks? (wait, there probably are!)
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Lord Atmo wrote: Willy2 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemYou live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?i dont have gas money. and what good would seeing those do for my problem?
Willy2 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problemYou live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?
Lord Atmo wrote: ALCO isnt EMD and 411 and the commuter cars arent a freight train with spartan cab unitswhy do people still not understand why some of us hate omaha? simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? and i'm sure UP doesnt care how much some people hate them. so there's no problem
You live in Wisconsin. The CNW heritage unit and the two unpatched units travel between Chicago and Council Bluffs, Iowa on a regular basis. Why not make a little trip down to Illinois or Iowa and see them some weekend? That seems like the reasonable solution to your problem. Of course, why be reasonable when you can also raise a never ending fuss on this forum about how terrible Union Pacific is?
i dont have gas money. and what good would seeing those do for my problem?
Well, I know that you have a very specific type of locomotive that you want to see, but I would think that the heritage unit and the unpatched units would count as something. Be glad there are two unpatched CNW engines left in mainline service, whether they meet your specifications or not.
Willy
there's another problem. aside from me never seeing crash 9s in my past or me hating any safety cabs. but remember how CNW bought those things. UP assumed 51% of CNW at the time and FORCED them to buy the crash 9s and AC44s. technically they arent real CNWs. i've seen 8646 in altoona 4 times. recently even. it does nothing for me. i dont choose to be picky about what type of unit i want to see, i have to go by what will make me feel like i'm 4 again from seeing it.
if anything, i'm worried that the duo is slowing down chances to get stuff donated. fans arent trying to see to it that an SD40-2 gets to IRM when they can fan the crash 9s.
i do enjoy 1995 very much though. i see it as UP apologizing to me
Your friendly neighborhood CNW fan.
They aren't real CNW? If it has CNW reporting marks on it - then it is a real CNW.
Have to love those widecabs... A/C is great!
Lord Atmo:
Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for? Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s). I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard.
doesnt matter. UP forced CNW to buy them and they even paid for them. CNW simply ran them under their paint. but they're not CNWs by any means. not pure ones
safety cabs are only good for crews. and it's a good thing i want an SD40-2 as a static display at some museum. so that's not even a problem
i cant even accept CNW to be gone when UP wont let it die peacefully. sure they finally dropped royalties, but they're still using CNW power in their ugly paint. the only reason i can tolerate them is because i just pretend they were never CNW to begin with and it doesnt upset me. but i dont want to have to keep that up
It's true. Can't argue sense with the senseless.
Time to move on.
This whole "UP ruined my life" thing is sounding pretty childish.
As does the phrase "hating on," which is used by teenagers.
Time to grow up!
call it what you want. because of omaha, i can never railfan my favorite railroad.
but i AM a teenager. i'm 19!
Yikes!
I thought the waving thread was idiotic, but this must be the evil twin. UP is a great stock to own, in part because they are mighty good at railroading. By most standards that equates to a successful railroad. I think UP is great, and even more so because they did those heritage units.
P.S. UP crews wave all the time! One finger or five it still counts!
Lord Atmo wrote: call it what you want. because of omaha, i can never railfan my favorite railroad.but i AM a teenager. i'm 19!
WIAR wrote: Lord Atmo:Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for? Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s). I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard.
SD40-2, SD50, and SD60
Lord Atmo wrote: ... simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? ...
... simply put, they ruined the past of people like me (assuming there are others). yeah i know it's a business. but do you think i care? ...
Ruined, you say! Wow. Life goes on for most of us.
I know you don't. The problem for me is that your rationale, if it can be so characterized, offends my sensibilities. The merger, with all the ostensible benefits to both corporations, ought not to have been permitted because you don't like the paint jobs on what is left? I hope you have a better argument than that tucked away someplace.
Lord Atmo wrote:like i said. it's not UP i hate, it's omaha. THEY'RE the ones who made UP do what they did
The Union Pacific is just a puppet of the City of Omaha?
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Lord Atmo wrote:well what did you expect?
But, hey, someday, you'll grow up and stop being so personally affected by a business merger whose only effect on you is that trains painted in a certain color scheme are no longer operated.
CopCarSS wrote: Lord Atmo wrote:like i said. it's not UP i hate, it's omaha. THEY'RE the ones who made UP do what they didThe Union Pacific is just a puppet of the City of Omaha?
not the city, i refer to the UP corp's HQ in omaha. which is also referred to as omaha
selector wrote:Ruined, you say! Wow. Life goes on for most of us. I know you don't. The problem for me is that your rationale, if it can be so characterized, offends my sensibilities. The merger, with all the ostensible benefits to both corporations, ought not to have been permitted because you don't like the paint jobs on what is left? I hope you have a better argument than that tucked away someplace.
not ruined for those who took pictures
the merger was fine. but they didnt need to kill off all of CNW's locomotives. you dont see CN having problems with WC, GTW, DMIR, and IC power getting lost all the time. UP could've afforded to keep an SD40-2 around. heck, they seem to have no problems keeping those GE scrap heaps running
Lord Atmo wrote:not the city, i refer to the UP corp's HQ in omaha. which is also referred to as omaha
I realize that. Of course, I also realize that Corporate Management is also inseperably tied to Corporate Identity. So, despite your protestations otherwise, it is impossible to hate Union Pacific management in Omaha without hating at least a part of the entity that is the Union Pacific. Of course, we would have never guessed that you disliked any part of the UP......
Lord Atmo wrote:well i'll stop hating them when they stop running ex-CNWs. because then i can just forget all about CNW hopefully and just enjoy myself with the GEVOs, ACEs, SD70Ms, and AC44s.
Atmo,
Seriously...have you looked into joining the CNW Historical Society like I suggested every time you start on one of your Anti-UP tirades. If the CNW means that much to you, and you are that desperate to relive the halcyon days of your youth, a historical society is probably the closest you will ever get. Here's the link. Yearly dues are $28. If you can't afford that, I'll pay for your first year if you promise to quit whining about the UP and your lost childhood.
Okay, I'm done.
Everyone has tried talking sense here....but....well, it does not appear to be having an effect on a certain person. Bowing out before it gets more preposterous.
Zug said it best.....
zugmann wrote: It's true. Can't argue sense with the senseless. Time to move on.
i looked into it. one of my friends is a member of the HS. and he knows me very well and honestly said it wasnt gonna be something i would be into. i paged through a few NWL issues. didnt do it for me. though the 8575 article made me very sad.
$30.00 is steep for me anyway. my money is where my other hobbies come into play. i'm a collector of sorts. but of a few toylines. so i cant shell out that money
if the CNWHS was actually going to try and restore an SD40-2 or something, i'd be interested. but the CNWHS focuses on CNW as the company it was. and i only care about CNW locomotives. and only ones of the types i saw in my past. in a sense, i care only about my past moreso than CNW
Lord Atmo wrote: $30.00 is steep for me anyway. my money is where my other hobbies come into play. i'm a collector of sorts. but of a few toylines. so i cant shell out that money if the CNWHS was actually going to try and restore an SD40-2 or something, i'd be interested. but the CNWHS focuses on CNW as the company it was. and i only care about CNW locomotives. and only ones of the types i saw in my past. in a sense, i care only about my past moreso than CNW
I wasn't joking when I said I'd pay for you. It appears you'd rather keep whining, though.
actually i need to give this one some thought......
can i at least keep my avatar? that one's not supposed to be against UP, just why i dislike SD60Ms
i need to fan the ALS. oh lord do i never need to fan the ALS...
There is a man in Portland, Oregon who dreamed of seeing a Nickel Plate PA1 run again... something he remembered from his younger days.
For decades he held on to that dream.
Today, he is rebuilding a PA1 unit (actually a slightly modified PA4 rebuild, but who can tell?). The unit is being painted in full Nickel Plate colors.
My point?
You are 19. Set yourself a goal of saving and reviving a CNW SD40-2 by the time you are, say, 35? Too long? Take a closer age.
Doesn't matter if you don't know how you are going to do it yet, just know you are going to do it. Start looking into it and making plans.
I know, I'm sounding like a guidance counselor, but I honestly believe you can do it if you just decide right now that you are going to do it.
Lord Atmo wrote: WIAR wrote: Lord Atmo:Is there a specific EMD unit-type you're looking for? Maybe I can dig something up outta my archives, which, naturally, aren't digital images but I could borrow you the neg(s). I snapped a lot of CNW when I lived in Cedar Rapids for 6 years, most right after I heard about UP killing your dreams and I figured I'd better get 'em while I could out at Beverly Yard. SD40-2, SD50, and SD60
Oh I definitely have the -2's, and possibly some of the SD50s and SD60s, but certainly the SD40-2's. I can go through them and I'll e-mail you to see about lending them out. When Conrail grudgingly accepted the EL into their deal at the last minute and then ripped-up the "Friendly Service Route", I hated Conrail's guts to no end. It wasn't until after Conrail managed to divest itself of some of the old cronies and good old boy middle management who ran the PC into the toilet (which wasn't hard to do since the PC was half in the toilet to begin with when the PRR & NYC merged) that they managed to make a success out of the operation, but the ill-feelings still lingered a while.
Then, after all that, I decided to resurrect the EL. The Wisconsin & Iowa was the knight in shining armour that bought the EL from the jaws of Conrail for its wide ROWs and comparative lack of major urban areas to traverse between Port Jervis and Chicago (perfect for high-speed stackers and TOFC after we rehabilitated the route). The WIAR also merged-in the CGW to gain direct access to Chicago, and for the Des Moines - Oelwein - St. Paul line. At this moment two EL GP35s are idling in the WIAR East Iron Mountain Yard (yes we're in Michigan too), ready for the march to Dubuque. We never decided to drop the EL or CGW logos or liveries - the heritage of those employees that worked those lines are preserved through the colors and the insignias. The WIAR can afford the paint. Because after all, it's not the corporate emblem that carries the freight and keeps the customers happy - it's the people (even the management sometimes) that make it work.
oh i've been trying to devise a little plan to get one donated. i know who all to email about it and everything and i'm waiting for the right time to step forward and do this.
but for now, i have ALS to keep me happy. something i overlooked in my rantings. and i need to go see them some day. i dont know where they are though. just somewhere in chicago
Lord Atmo wrote: actually i need to give this one some thought......can i at least keep my avatar? that one's not supposed to be against UP, just why i dislike SD60Ms
I suggest that you do join the C&NW Historical Society. I was once a member, and I buy their magazine often. My interest focused on the M&StL, and they cover that line as much as they can. Maybe change your avatar to C&NW.
But I think there is no point in lamenting what has been lost in the world of railroading. The list is endless. It ought to be consoling that such a massive body of books, documents, illustrations, diagrams, photographs, and hardware (including locomotives and rolling stock) survive and are preserved to tell the story of what the railroad industry has lost. So at least what is lost is not easily forgotten.
And just because it is gone does not mean that it cannot live on in one's focus of interest. After all is said and done, the whole experience is in only in the mind. Some people model railroads that disappeared decades ago. Other people make paintings. These attempts to recreate a lost era are especially facilitated by the massive body of documentation that fortunately survives.
My interest began in the then-present era of 1960. I could sense the age of steam, but it was gone, and I deeply regretted being born too late. Then I was pulled back into the 1930-1950 era and lived it vicariously through books, photographs, and other forms of study. And then I was pulled way back into the 1880-1900 era, which I found to be impossibly rich. I looked at old newspapers on microfilm, bought historical books, researched company records, and ran ads in small town newspapers offering to buy old photographs. I found that lost world and made it a part of me.
TimChgo9 wrote: Okay, I'm done. Everyone has tried talking sense here....but....well, it does not appear to be having an effect on a certain person. Bowing out before it gets more preposterous. Zug said it best..... zugmann wrote: It's true. Can't argue sense with the senseless. Time to move on.
Yes. Me, too. From now on I'll try to carry on discussions only with railfans who are not living with their parents.
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