cudaken wrote: Chuck, GO TOO BED! I don't get home to 10:00 and I am off Thursday and Friday so that is why I am up late. But it time for me to go to the round house as well. M1a steamer is pulling up to the warehoues to be un loaded to night and the SD-7 is pulling to a passing spur for a crew change. Big Boy is waiting for the scrap heap to be made in to bumpers for 61 Chevys. Cuda Ken
Chuck, GO TOO BED! I don't get home to 10:00 and I am off Thursday and Friday so that is why I am up late. But it time for me to go to the round house as well. M1a steamer is pulling up to the warehoues to be un loaded to night and the SD-7 is pulling to a passing spur for a crew change. Big Boy is waiting for the scrap heap to be made in to bumpers for 61 Chevys.
Cuda Ken
Can is sit in my museum of transportaton waiting restoration? Go to bed i have nothing to do.
unionpacificchuck wrote:whoop soory i was avoiding childish questions. you guys are horrible at up questions you guys need to come up with sothing good before i respend to anything and lemme give a answer to that death vally cali..............LMAO
BUZZZZZZZZZZ!sorry, but that's wrong, I guess you googled some bad information. but thanks for playing anyway
The big boys were cleared to operate all the way to L.A.
I KNOW the UP Turbines were cleared to LA (but were found too noisy for residents) ... and the Big Boys were designed for the heavy Ogden UT - Evanston WY -(Echo Canyon) climb,
but did then really run west of Ogden, or east of Cheyenne except as FILL-INS?
Similarly ATSF's 2-10-10-2's were built for the long AZ divide climb, and then tried on Cajon pass before being scrapped.
The Big Boy's were well suited for Wyoming's 8000' high desert, where the steepest grade was into/out of the Laramie Plain (Sherman - Dale Creek).
We seem to keep wandering here. I may have missed some replies through the 4 pages.
Has anyone suggested to remove the spring from the pilot truck. The first loco had no track issues, this one does. Yes, there could be problems with the track, by pushing this beast to the limits, one( the 1st one) may have just squeaked by where as the loco in question is causing the problems. The first pic showing the truck tilted with the wheels totally off the inside rail tells me that the pivot, spring or stops are to blame. As the truck trys to swing radically into the turn it is binding and the only place to go is up off the rail. I like Erie's suggestion of laying it on a glass or equivalent top and check the movement. The first pic also shows the lead driver forced to the point of climbing the rails.
Selector's recommendation of removing the truck is also another step in the troubleshooting. Watch the swing of the articulated front set, it may not have the full movement or as much as the first loco.
Very perplexing problem, if we can stay on "track" pun intended we may get Ken's problem solved.
Modeling B&O- Chessie Bob K. www.ssmrc.org
KEN:
YOUR PROBLEMS - engines wheels not following the track - and probably a combination, rather than a single simple thing.
WHERE do you start? It's about tolerances: yours, mine, the engineer's, and the factory's. We are not all perfect, nor are our products.
MY apparaisal: TOLERNCES - or lack of same.
You have (a)one engine whose pivoting pilot track is off-center; (b)one engine whose tender axles are incorrect length; and (c)you are pushin the edge with a misappropriate layout design to run them on.
1. The engines: I would rather get the appropriate tender wheels from Athearn and swap them out, than fiddle with what is the necessary adjustment of the pilot trucks.
2. the track: you appear to be running a '36 wheeler' on a 'go-cart' track, where some of your smaller engines you say 'can handle it' - (according to you).
3. YOU are fighting the laws of Physics. I'm sure the Big Boy works fine - on a straight track (and was tested on same). Curves are a luxury in a factory.
A 6" board along a single wall will allow you to move forward & backward, and with a ton of cars.
EITHER the layout has to go - or the ENGINE. 4' corner sections will allow you up to 46"radius curves and ALL basements have 4 corners. (All you have to do is connect them).
4. Stop thinking in terms of a single board loop.
Atlas flextrack is too flexible to make a consistant curve - breaking up into multiple of smaller curves, for engines 'on the edge' to try to follow - KATO code 100 takes the guesswork out of track laying - but you keep buying what's cheap... and will CONTINUE to have problems. I made this suggestion over a year ago.
Will Kato code 100 solve yourproblems? Not if it is the engine -
BUT IT'S A START!
Don Gibson wrote: I KNOW the UP Turbines were cleared to LA (but were found too noisy for residents) ... and the Big Boys were designed for the heavy Ogden UT - Evanston WY -(Echo Canyon) climb, but did then really run west of Ogden, or east of Cheyenne except as FILL-INS? Similarly ATSF's 2-10-10-2's were built for the long AZ divide climb, and then tried on Cajon pass before being scrapped.The Big Boy's were well suited for Wyoming's 8000' high desert, where the steepest grade was into/out of the Laramie Plain (Sherman - Dale Creek).
and if want really go deep, they were built in Schenectady, New York , and worked in revenue service on the trip from the factory to the delivery point in omaha, so they technically operated from New York to Utah and could go to L.A.
Just curious legal eagle:
WHOSE tracks were used for the Schenectedy - Omaha run? NYC/CNW or CMStP?
The deliverER, not deliveree.
Don you may be right but my Genesis problem are over. I did not take it back today and gave it one last try on the DC line. I Did not resit the decoder with the 4009 when it's DCC stopped working it still ran great on DC. This one moved 2 feet again on DC and did the samething. Enigne stopped moving but sound worked great.
There is only 1 way this Big POS will be here Friday night. K-10 lets me keep the 4020 tender, give me back the 4009 engine and a driffrent decoder. Other wise it will be HO scale 61 Chevy bumper's.
By the way Don does this section more to your likeing?
When this section is done there will be no more 18" turns.
I hate Rust
Don Gibson wrote: Just curious legal eagle:WHOSE tracks were used for the Schenectedy - Omaha run? NYC/CNW or CMStP?The deliverER, not deliveree.
I'm guessing on this one, but probally the CNW, they probally had beefier rail to handle the occasional monster load of the big boys, and I believe they were still UP's runthru partner to Chicago at that time. the locos were worked along the way by the deliverer to the deliveree, as the fee for delivery, same as today. instead of deliveree paying a cash delivery fee, if the loco were just towed to the drop-off/delivery point.
boy thats a bunch of "deliveries" scattered thu there.