pcarrell wrote: R. T. POTEET wrote:I am sure I am going to get beaten to death on this one and I should stay out of it.UNIONPACIFIC4018, I have some bad news for you - the most à propos label which you can be apply to an N-Scale steamer is "dog".Unless you are prepared to run double-headers - rare for steamers - you ain't gonna lug 30-40 freight cars up any kind of a grade. Period, quote, and a report!!!!NOTE: I know!!! Somebody out there has an N-Scale steamer which will lug 538 cars up an 18% grade!!! PLEASE!!! SPARE ME!!!RT, why so negative all the time?Double heading was very common in some areas of the country.I model only steam in N scale and I'm quite happy with it. I don't think I can muster 538 cars up an 18% grade, but I'd like to see ANY model loco in ANY scale do that! My larger loco's do quite well hauling 20-25 cars up a 2% grade with little effort though, and that's good enough for me. They run very well at a dead crawl with no cogging (i.e. they're very smooth), don't stall out all the time, and they look good I think. They're very quiet too.Perhaps your experience with N steam has not been as positive as mine. I'm sorry that is the case because there are many excellent choices out there for steam in N. The old days of N scale are disappearing quickly, and thank goodness! Some of those older steamers WERE dogs!My bigger concern though is why you seem so antagonistic in a lot of your posts. Do you not mean to come off this way, and then you wonder why everyone is ganging up on you? Have you taken some vacation time lately? Both from the hobby and from work?Perhaps you might concider it.
R. T. POTEET wrote:I am sure I am going to get beaten to death on this one and I should stay out of it.UNIONPACIFIC4018, I have some bad news for you - the most à propos label which you can be apply to an N-Scale steamer is "dog".Unless you are prepared to run double-headers - rare for steamers - you ain't gonna lug 30-40 freight cars up any kind of a grade. Period, quote, and a report!!!!NOTE: I know!!! Somebody out there has an N-Scale steamer which will lug 538 cars up an 18% grade!!! PLEASE!!! SPARE ME!!!
RT, why so negative all the time?
Double heading was very common in some areas of the country.
I model only steam in N scale and I'm quite happy with it. I don't think I can muster 538 cars up an 18% grade, but I'd like to see ANY model loco in ANY scale do that! My larger loco's do quite well hauling 20-25 cars up a 2% grade with little effort though, and that's good enough for me. They run very well at a dead crawl with no cogging (i.e. they're very smooth), don't stall out all the time, and they look good I think. They're very quiet too.
Perhaps your experience with N steam has not been as positive as mine. I'm sorry that is the case because there are many excellent choices out there for steam in N. The old days of N scale are disappearing quickly, and thank goodness! Some of those older steamers WERE dogs!
My bigger concern though is why you seem so antagonistic in a lot of your posts. Do you not mean to come off this way, and then you wonder why everyone is ganging up on you?
Have you taken some vacation time lately? Both from the hobby and from work?
Perhaps you might concider it.
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
nscaler711 wrote: NOW R.T.POTEET I DONT MEAN TO BE RUDE SO BE QUIET AND STOP TICKING OF EVERY ONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WE WERE FINE UNTIL YOU STARTED TALKING!!! Also on another note thanks for the picture on railpictures.net but thats not what i needed i need the font or santa fe's lettering ex. comic sans MS
NOW R.T.POTEET I DONT MEAN TO BE RUDE SO BE QUIET AND STOP TICKING OF EVERY ONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WE WERE FINE UNTIL YOU STARTED TALKING!!!
Also on another note thanks for the picture on railpictures.net but thats not what i needed i need the font or santa fe's lettering ex. comic sans MS
DUDE I SWEAR IF YOU DO NOT SHUT THE UP WE'LL ALL HAVE PROBLEMS!!! I CAN BE AN NICE GUY BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO TICK ME OFF!!! I wish everone else happy holidays.
Army National Guard E3MOS 91BI have multiple scales nowZ, N, HO, O, and G.
R. T. POTEET wrote:Whatever!!!!Oh, and by the way. The proper spelling is c-o-n-S-i-d-e-r.
I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to upset you.
And you're right, I missed that one when I proof read my post.
Guess that goes to prove I'm not perfect, huh?
dont appologize pcarrell he's being a butthead
Again, please, I'm calling for restraint. We all lose if this thread gets locked out. So let's knock off the threats, the spelling corrections, and all the other petty things that have nothing to do with N scale trains.
We're better than this. If not, you should be in HO!
Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.
Thank you dave im tired all i want to do is n scale not yell at RT but he does need to stop provoking others
question does any one have an proto 1000 sw8? i need help with mine it doesnt get enough electrical power
nscaler711 wrote: DUDE I SWEAR IF YOU DO NOT SHUT THE UP WE'LL ALL HAVE PROBLEMS!!! I CAN BE AN NICE GUY BUT YOU DO NOT WANT TO TICK ME OFF!!! I wish everone else happy holidays.
My N scale Pennsy H10s 2-8-0 project is coming along, but not without lots of choice language, scrap styrene, and Squadron Red Putty! I also had to replace both the decoder and the LED board (waiting for both in the mail).
I told my wife that I'm going Penn Central and Conrail so I don't have to kitbash any more Pennsy steam. She suggested "Why don't you keep modeling 1956, but just when there were no steam engines around?" She hasn't looked in my books. The PRR of 1956, though dieselizing fast, was very much still a steam road.
The H10s will join the L1s as my PRR two steam bashes. I'm thinking maybe forgoing the PRR M1b 4-8-2 that PCM has been working on. For that money I could get 3 PC/CR diesels with DCC.
I'm liking this dual-era idea!
Dave Vollmer wrote: Again, please, I'm calling for restraint. We all lose if this thread gets locked out. So let's knock off the threats, the spelling corrections, and all the other petty things that have nothing to do with N scale trains.
Hey, I'm with you!
I harbor no ill feelings and meant no harm.
Now let's talk N scale!
WOW! You are one cold customer!
Curt,
Is there any way to rework those grades?
I personally don't like steep grades- They severely limit the lenght of your trains. Then add in the hidden trackage- your asking for lost trains. It's not much fun crawling under the layout to get to hidden trackage to help a train up a hill.
Craig
Looking for N Scale Assistance
I'm building a Kato N track layout 12*6 that will utilize Kato 6 turnouts and am thinking about installing decoders in the turnouts and double crossovers.
I just purchased a NCE DCC system and am in the process of building the layout and installing the wiring and switch decoders and wanted to hear other N scalers experiences and or tips.
CraigN wrote:Curt, Is there any way to rework those grades?I personally don't like steep grades- They severely limit the lenght of your trains. Then add in the hidden trackage- your asking for lost trains. It's not much fun crawling under the layout to get to hidden trackage to help a train up a hill.Craig
PhillyF wrote: Looking for N Scale Assistance I'm building a Kato N track layout 12*6 that will utilize Kato 6 turnouts and am thinking about installing decoders in the turnouts and double crossovers.I just purchased a NCE DCC system and am in the process of building the layout and installing the wiring and switch decoders and wanted to hear other N scalers experiences and or tips.
Hi! Welcome to N scale!
To answer your question, I thought about automation on my last layout but decided that I'd only automate those turnouts that were easily reached. I feel that somehow manually throwing a turnout helps me to connect with the train in my mind, like I'm on board sort of. The automation was a bit too "hands off" for me personally. I did use it in my hidden staging yard though.
Besides, manual operation is a whole lot cheaper!
Whoa! 22 pages and I feel like I know less about N scale than I did before I started.
So mostly I've ignored the itty bitty stuff, but all of a sudden I've aquired a masoquistic streak and I'm going to pretend I don't have any sense at all.
But I'm going to tear down my Rock Ridge and Train City and build an N-scale pike about 3 x 7 while I plan and comtemplate and remodel my basement. Now I read this stuff you guys are writing and you act like it all somehow makes sense.
So this is what I've got--stuff I got by mistake, lapse of judgement, and as throw-ins in eBay lots.
I have 10 pieces of flex and 4 turnouts.
I have a coal mine, 2 factories, a house, a freight station, a junk yard and a bridge.
I have a LL Conrail GP-20 and Bachman Spectrum CSX Dash-8
Atlas and Microtrains--6 coal cars and two NS box cars. I also have a bunch of Bachman junk cars that will hit the eBay.
So just a little work converting the Rapidos on the engines and I have the makings of a small scenic coal drag layout. Eventually, I'll find an Atlas B&P GP-38 and go DCC.
Then I'll watch trains run while I design and build the basement.
Anyway, I figure that by stealing the trees and rocks off the RR&TC, I can put up something prertiful in short order.
So seeing what I got--I was planning to use a Mach II for now, and you guys scared me a little. Eventually when I get decoderized I'll pull my Zephyr over. Uahem, Seeing what I have, do any of you seemingly intelligent guys have any advice?
Chip
Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos.
SpaceMouse wrote: Whoa! 22 pages and I feel like I know less about N scale than I did before I started.So mostly I've ignored the itty bitty stuff, but all of a sudden I've aquired a masoquistic streak and I'm going to pretend I don't have any sense at all. But I'm going to tear down my Rock Ridge and Train City and build an N-scale pike about 3 x 7 while I plan and comtemplate and remodel my basement. Now I read this stuff you guys are writing and you act like it all somehow makes sense. So this is what I've got--stuff I got by mistake, lapse of judgement, and as throw-ins in eBay lots. I have 10 pieces of flex and 4 turnouts. I have a coal mine, 2 factories, a house, a freight station, a junk yard and a bridge. I have a LL Conrail GP-20 and Bachman Spectrum CSX Dash-8 Atlas and Microtrains--6 coal cars and two NS box cars. I also have a bunch of Bachman junk cars that will hit the eBay. So just a little work converting the Rapidos on the engines and I have the makings of a small scenic coal drag layout. Eventually, I'll find an Atlas B&P GP-38 and go DCC. Then I'll watch trains run while I design and build the basement. Anyway, I figure that by stealing the trees and rocks off the RR&TC, I can put up something prertiful in short order. So seeing what I got--I was planning to use a Mach II for now, and you guys scared me a little. Eventually when I get decoderized I'll pull my Zephyr over. Uahem, Seeing what I have, do any of you seemingly intelligent guys have any advice?
I'll give you my 2c worth. Your Mach II should work fine with N scale. I have one and use it with no problems. Also, on the Bachmann rolling stock, if you like the bodies you can just swap out the trucks/couplers with the appropriate Micro-Trains trucks/couplers and they will work great. I have a few Bachmann cars that I have converted and they work great. If your turnouts are Atlas you may want to consider using something else. Some people use them with no problems but I feel that more people have problems with them than don't. Also if your flex track is code 55 then you'll need low profile wheels. Most flex track is larger but I just wanted to mention it just in case.
I think a 3x7 is a great size. You can get a nice continuous run with 5 or 6 (more or less) spurs for operation. Keep us posted on your progress and feel free to ask questions.
Rob Newman
SpaceMouse,
Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows.
Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.
Mike Tennent
MTennent wrote:SpaceMouse, Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows. Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.Mike Tennent
As I build and test my N scale layout and prepare it for DCC, I'm test-running the trains with an MRC Tech 3 9500 I used for my previous HO layout. I used it witnout even giving it a thought. In fact, the N scale locos run *slower* than my HO ones (that's more due to the motors in the N scale locos...)
Metro Red Line wrote: MTennent wrote: SpaceMouse, Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows. Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.Mike Tennent As I build and test my N scale layout and prepare it for DCC, I'm test-running the trains with an MRC Tech 3 9500 I used for my previous HO layout. I used it witnout even giving it a thought. In fact, the N scale locos run *slower* than my HO ones (that's more due to the motors in the N scale locos...)
MTennent wrote: SpaceMouse, Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows. Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.Mike Tennent
Dang. Warp speed has a certain appeal to it. I guess I should be thankful I don't have to bank the turns.
Dave Vollmer wrote:When I switched from HO to N I kept the same MRC Tech II power pack. Now, my Digitrax system has a little toggle switch to go from O to Ho to N.
I'll have to looksee for that toggle.
Chip,
Good to see you back....I've missed your posts.
Guy
GNP007 wrote: Keep us posted on your progress and feel free to ask questions. Rob Newman
I posted a very preliminary plan on the layout forum. If any of you'un want to take a looksee...
SpaceMouse wrote: Metro Red Line wrote: MTennent wrote: SpaceMouse, Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows. Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.Mike TennentAs I build and test my N scale layout and prepare it for DCC, I'm test-running the trains with an MRC Tech 3 9500 I used for my previous HO layout. I used it witnout even giving it a thought. In fact, the N scale locos run *slower* than my HO ones (that's more due to the motors in the N scale locos...) Dang. Warp speed has a certain appeal to it. I guess I should be thankful I don't have to bank the turns.
Metro Red Line wrote: MTennent wrote: SpaceMouse, Your HO transformer will work fine for N scale, trust me. I've been using an "HO" power pack for years on my very small, 3 X 2 display oval at train shows. Your engines will not suddenly leap to warp speed.Mike TennentAs I build and test my N scale layout and prepare it for DCC, I'm test-running the trains with an MRC Tech 3 9500 I used for my previous HO layout. I used it witnout even giving it a thought. In fact, the N scale locos run *slower* than my HO ones (that's more due to the motors in the N scale locos...)
Planning on switching to bullet trains?
Your stuff will work fine Chip. I run an HO pack (a Magnum) when I run DC and it works fine. Just steer clear of pulse packs as they are hard on motors.
Dave Vollmer wrote: Again, please, I'm calling for restraint. We all lose if this thread gets locked out. So let's knock off the threats, the spelling corrections, and all the other petty things that have nothing to do with N scale trains.We're better than this. If not, you should be in HO!
Dang, I just decide to check in here to see how things are going in the land of the little people, and what do I find? Chairs cracked over heads, fists flying, and all during the holiday season? Where is your Christmas spirit and sense of modeling decorum? Personally I'm shocked.
Perhaps all of this rowdiness is directly proportionate to the amount of time spent squinting at parts that are far too tiny?
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted