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Do you like arm-twisters at model train shops?

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Posted by HEdward on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 1:15 PM
 One Track Mind wrote:

Hi fellow forum members, I'll try not to make this similar to a poll, but I would be curious to know your thoughts.

When I go into a store, say a used record shop or something, I like be acknowledged that I've walked into the store, and that if I have a question someone is available, but then I basically like to be left alone to browse. No arm-twisting, no hard selling, no suggestive selling, whatever you want to call it.

So when someone comes into my store, I say "Hi, howyadoin, let me know if I can help you find anything" and then they are on their own until they need me.

Do most of you guys like that approach in a model train shop?

Sometimes, like twice today, someone came in, I said "hi" and they walked around for quite awhile and then walked out without saying anything and that makes me feel like I didn't do my job. I don't want people to feel ignored, but I don't want to follow them around either.

What do you think? Thank-you for your thoughts.

Boss to me:  Greet the customers closer to the door.

Customer enters, man and woman.

Me: Hi.  How are you tonight?

Man: Good, thank you(most customers go directly to, "just looking) we're just going to browse a minute.

Me: Ok, if you need anything, let ME know.

<<<ten seconds later>>>

Man: (to the Boss)can you tell me about this?

Me(to myself): I'm not standing that close to the front door ever again!

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We had a little system going.  Get the customer the item he came in for, and if there was a selection, get him into the best that he feels comfortable affording.  Then make sure he's got the needed accessories or related items.  Lastly, offer him ONE item unrelated to his purchase and on that item only, do take no for the first answer and let it go.  The same company now tells its slaves to offer every customer a cellular phone, every time they visit.  It is damned annoying.  I've never been treated like tht at a hobby store.  On the other hand, walking into a store and not being acknowledged usually winds up with them not getting my business, even if I NEED what they have.  That brings us into the needs/wants discussion.  The top down sales approach.  The generate repeat business makes your job easier later philosophy.  Which lesson do we teach here next?  I'm pretty easy going, but if people ignor me, they obviously don't want my business and if they suggest something which I didn't come in for and don't accept my no as the only answer, they lose my business.  Just ask the folks at Chili's who forced their wait staff to push alcohol items hard.  So hard the loser my wife and I had waiting on us managed to insult my beautiful wife.(really classy guy got one cent tip and a really messy table to clean up)

I've only had over twenty five years retail sales experience, so I'm no expert.

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Posted by emdgp92 on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 12:10 PM
I've been going to A.B. Charles just outside of Pittsburgh for nearly 15 years...and have never had a problem with them. They've even repaired most of the stuff that I've creatively broken or otherwise screwed up...usually with some good-natured kidding in the process. Not once have I left there with the feeling that I've been "shafted."


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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 8:50 AM

Bachmann and LL are bottom of the barrel when it comes to thier main product line.  LL P2K and P1K are actually pretty good models.  Bachmann has thier Spectrum brand and it is also very good.

I'm surprised I thought that the Spectrum N Scale stuff was actually pretty good.  My brother swears by it, and at the standard brand.

 

I have to say that I am pretty happy with the two main hobby stores here.  Both have real helpful staff, and a staff of regulars.  Both knowledgeable and friendly.

 

 

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Posted by Super Chief Rules on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 1:08 AM
i have a pair of polk 5 1/4"'s and a pair of Sony 6x9's in my van.  And a polk four channel amp.  I would take those over Bose speakers any day.  JUST KIDDING!!!!  Not about my speakers but about not taking Bose speakers.  I know this is not related at all and and i apologize.  I also await my punishment ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 7, 2006 8:25 PM
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 I wish the frist time I went to a LHS there was a good salesman was there. Eric was a good guy, but never informed me about the bad buys I was making.  He let me buy 5 Pancake LL F-7's and 30 LL rolling stock. If he had treat me like I treat my customer he would have knew my wants and showed why I should have bought. Spectrem, PK's and Athearns. Now I have around 100 pices of cheap stuff that I am spending more to up grade than I paid for the junk in the first places.

 

I dont want to start a battle but...when you talk of ugrading from cheap stuff and still include Bachmann and LifeLike?  Isnt that the same as military intelligence and an honest politician?

Oh, and to be fair I do N scale...so those brands in HO or others that you may model may be good, but in N they are the bottom of the barrel (in other words---pure junk!).  Now to be even more fair LL has done two decent  units, their new E6's and th S series switches-which I believe has a little to do with Walthers.

Athearn is coming along rather nicely so I tend to classify them with Roundhouse and Atlas.  Well, let me shut up.  I know I have already cheesed off a lot of poeple already.  I dont need to dig a hole any deeper.

 

 

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Posted by cudaken on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 2:29 AM

 I have not read all the post's but just saying Hi and let them walk around is not the best way to help them or your self.

 Let them know you know they are there, that is a biggie. But never ask them "can I help you" buyers are afraid of salesman's for reason. You know what you have, but they have no clue to what you have.

 When they stop and look at something, step up and tell them about what they are looking at. At this point do a warm up asking what they are modeling, what they have and what they think they want to inprove over what they have.

 From that show them what you think will help them in there quest. Tell them what you know about it and point out the strong points or what it has that is like what they have. But be honest, if it is not as good as what they have, not the right era or out of there prices range let them know.

 Give them chooise as well, If they like 2 cars asking them which one they want to take with them if not both. Guess like chooise (sorry about the bad spelling) that way they feel like they are in control.

 Main thing is try to close, it does not need to be high pressuer either. Close means to ask them to buy. It could be as simple as before the leave the shop say " you seem to like that PK E-6, would you like to take it with you?"

 I have made my living for the last 28 years in some form off sale's. But I think of my self as a tour guide. I don't shuv something down there throasts, just find out there need's by asking questions and then fill there needs with what I have.

 Best thing that can happen is to have a guest find a good, informed and honest saleperson/ tour guide. It happened today at work. Older couple thought they knew what they need what they needed for a good night sleep with a bad back. I knew better and showed them a lower pressuer point sleep system would help keep there spine in a linement. They wanted a hard mattress and went to another store.The Saleman there just wanted the $ and pushed them to buy.

 They walked and called me and bought over the phone me. It was $500.00 more than what they where showen, but knew I had there best intreast in mind. Plus I was able to show how it would improve there life. Or in HO world layout.

 You asked about Arm Twisters. A bad saleperson will grap there arm and yanking it off. They get one sale and that is it. A good salesperson will get to know there needs and wants and get repeat businnes.

 I wish the frist time I went to a LHS there was a goos salesman was there. Eric was a good guy, but never informed me about the bad buys I was making.  He let me buy 5 Pancake LL F-7's and 30 LL rolling stock. If he had treat me like I treat my customer he would have knew my wants and showed why I should have bought. Spectrem, PK's and Athearns. Now I have around 100 pices of cheap stuff that I am spending more to up grade than I paid for the junk in the first places.

 

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Posted by acelachaser on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:31 AM

 lisap wrote:
I am glad to her there are some good shops out there, I don't know if it just NH or maybe it's Newengland in general but all of the shops I have been in have lots of stuff  but all the train stuff is stuck in some back corner some where it would be nice if I could find a shop that was mostly( if not all) trains.

Maine Trains, North East Trains (Peabody MA, Acton Model Railroad Center,Acton MA and of course Charles RO, Malden MA..are a few I can recommend having shopped at all of them when I lived in Boston.  All are listed in Model Railroader for addys and phone #'s and all are 100% trains ( give or take)My 2 cents [2c]

Happy $hopping!Smile [:)]

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Posted by acelachaser on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:17 AM

I stopped shopping at an electronics store for a while ( I won't say the name but it rhymes with circuit city lol " I dont care who you are, that's funny right there") because without asking me any details the salesman insisted I NEEDED a $500 receiver when I WANTED the $99 sale brand. "Oh you'll just return it in a month when you're not happy with it" was his pitch. It was for my parents who have a hard time with a cordless phone, never mind a super fancy overpriced stereo, and 10 YEARS LATER still have the $99 model that has just enough buttons to do its job and keep them happy.

A Hi How are ya..Let me know if there's anything you need is perfect..in places where I 've shopped on a regular basis , the salesstaff might tell me there's something new out I might want to check out in the roadname/era I model ( Amtrak and Norfolk Southern in Pennsylvania/present day)..and a Thomas play table to keep my daughter occupied while I peek around is always a plus!

keep up the good work and I'll maybe be by saturday for some more track

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 31, 2006 10:29 PM
I am glad to her there are some good shops out there, I don't know if it just NH or maybe it's Newengland in general but all of the shops I have been in have lots of stuff  but all the train stuff is stuck in some back corner some where it would be nice if I could find a shop that was mostly( if not all) trains.
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Posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816 on Monday, July 31, 2006 9:55 PM

I myself had a few bad experiences with a hobby shop dealer/owner during the 1980's. The gentleman's name was Paul, and most of the time I got along with him just fine, had no problems. He had been in business since about 1959 or so, and was one of the original, or very early members of the Sioux Valley Model Engineers Society here in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Our HO scale club was founded in 1947 or '48 and I joined this club in 1980.

In 1982 I purchased my first brass steam locomotive from Paul, and even though I was happy with my purchase, it was not what I originally wanted in the first place. I had an interest in the Canadian Pacific Railway at that time, and I still do, and I had asked Paul to order a CPR 2-10-4 Selkirk class locomotive from Totem Pole Models of Vancouver, British Columbia. Paul's response at that time was that, "No, I don't do business with outfits like this any more." And he offered me another locomotive with the very same wheel arrangement from another importer. What I ended up with is a CB&Q M-4 class 2-10-4 from Nickel Plate Products. He told me that it was brand new and that it had been factory painted. Not knowning any better, I took him at his word. I later found out that it had been previously owned by someone else because the paint finish was much too fine to be a factory paint job. And in talking with one of our club members who was an authorized Walther's dealer at the time, he told me that Paul's statement about him not doing business with some importers was the other way around..........he was in the habit of writing nasty letters to some of his suppliers and for that reason they quit doing business with him.

On another occaision, Paul showed me an unpainted, brass CB&Q 4-8-2 from Overland Models. He wanted $210.00 for it. I told him that I would think about it for a while and later that night I got on the phone and called my other friend and I aske him what the running quality is of steamers imported by Overland. His answer was, "not very good" and that he and another one of our club members had worked on a number of steam locomotives from Overland and never had much luck in getting them to run smoothly. He told me that if I was patient, he could get me a nice, used steamer through a swap meet. I said to him, "O.K. I'll go back and tell Paul that I really don't want this engine."

I went back to Paul on the following Saturday and I told him that based on what one of his competitors had told me, I had changed my mind about purchasing this 4-8-2 from Overland. Paul got mad, and after I had left his shop, which was on the back side of his house, he called my other friend and proceeded to chew him out for having cost him a sale. My friend said to him, "F#%@ you, Paul! Ray doesn't need your help in making up his own mind!!"

I am convinced that his attitude about certain things and the way he treated customers in general drove a lot of people away from the hobby of model trains. And those of us in the local club used to refer to Paul as the "Great White" for obvious reasons. Paul died in September of 1987, and I figure the hobby has done well enough without him.

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Posted by NS2591 on Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:42 PM
I used to get the "Hi how are you, can i help you?" Not anymore, All the clerks at my LHS know me by name. So I just get the "Hi how are you?" instead, becuase they know that I know that if I need something I can ask. Besides, they don't have to twist my arm! I know more about something than some of them that work there. On the flip side, they are at MSRP. But i'd rather go there than order offline. I can't be rolling stock offline, I like to go in, look for a while and then whatever strikes my fancy goes home with me, or ends up in layaway I'll be turning 16 in september, and I talked to the owner and if he needs another clerk after then, I am a very good candidate. The other hobby shop I go to(not very often) is nice becuase i get 15-20% on everything except DCC. the downside to it, is Anything I save on the trains, ends up in the gas tank. There I do get the "Hi How are you, can I help you" there becuase only the owner knows me, and we really don't know eachother to well, but we do see eachother from time to time. But to answer your question, I don't like Arm Twisters
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Posted by Seamonster on Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:11 PM

That's how I like to be treated in any store.  Acknowlege my presence, offer to help, then leave me alone to browse.  Especially in a hobby store.  So many pretty things to look at!  But when I want help or I'm ready to buy something that's in or behind the counter, be there to help me, unless you're busy with another customer, of course.  I realise that anyone who comes in while I'm browsing and requires service is ahead of me in the line.  The LHS that I shop at most treats me like that, and more.  I always go there on a Saturday, so I'm only familiar with the clerk who is there that day.  He always greets me when I come in, even if he's busy with another customer.  If he's not busy, we'll even chat for a moment.  He leaves me alone to browse and drool, but if there's no other customers, he'll come over to see if I need help and talk about the products I'm looking at.  Sometimes I've brought my 3 y.o. granddaughter with me and he'll talk to her and give her candy from a bowl he keeps under the counter for little kids.  Any questions why that LHS gets the bulk of my business?

I've had bad experiences too.  My daughter asked me why I didn't go to a hobby shop in her part of town.  It's not convenient for me to get to, but I thought I'd give it a try.  They had virtually nothing in N scale except for a few items behind the counter and I didn't bring my binoculars to get a good look at them.  The owner was talking to a couple of customers and like a previous poster, even getting right in his face didn't attract his attention.  Nothing was going to interrupt that conversation.  I finally got the attention of, I think it was his wife, behind the cash register and got her to bring down a couple of N scale items for me to buy.  I've never been back.

My worst experience was in a Wal-Mart.  I stopped at the audio/video department to buy some blank cassette tapes while my wife and I were in the store shopping.  I'm very particular about my blank media and I knew exactly what I wanted and they had it.  I had the tapes in my hands when a salesman came over and asked what I was looking for.  I told him I had found it and started to move to the cash register.  He told me that what I had wasn't the right stuff, I didn't want that kind of tape, and I should buy this other kind instead.  He actually tried to take the tapes out of my hands and put these other tapes into my hands.  Politeness didn't work on him and after a bit of struggling with him, I unfortunately lost my cool and yelled at him.  I'm a big guy (but a pussycat inside) and he backed away with a scared look on his face like I was going to beat him up.  I was embarrased all to heck, but it did get rid of him and I bought what I wanted.  I just wonder how long his sales career with Wal-Mart lasted.

 

 

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Posted by james saunders on Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:41 PM

Having worked at my LHS for a period of time, I feel quite welcome going there, and i always get a nice warm welcome, I don't get asked if i need help, but i know if i need to ask a question or if i need to get something out of the display cabinet (where they keep the locomotives) they are happy to oblige. most of the time I end up chatting to the guys at the shop which makes my visit well worth it.

On the other hand, I have walked into some stores and looked around for quite a bit, and got not one response from anyone there, I just leave and take my business elsewhere.

So OTM I think you have it right, keep it up. and if i'm ever your side of the drink, i'll be sure to visit you. Smile [:)]

 

 

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Posted by skiloff on Saturday, July 29, 2006 2:34 PM

I told my biggest horror story in a thread about a year ago.  In essence, I was an eager 16 year old who finally earned enough money to buy and build his own layout.  I picked my plan from Nine N Scale layouts, made a shopping list of track and took it to the LHS.  I walked in, he looked at me like I was surely going to steal something and grunted, "What do you want?"  I showed him my list of track pieces and he rolled his eyes back, shook his head and told me that wasn't the way to build a model railroad.  I'm skipping details here, but I bought the track I could find but was so bummed.  I didn't know that wasn't the way to build a model railroad.  I almost quit after that experience, but the draw to model trains is too strong for me (and thankfully it appears my son has the same drawing).  Anyway, I just happened to be there almost twenty years later kicking around the store.  They had moved to an out of the way place, but it just happened to be near my sister, so her and her son and I went to the store to have a look around.  When we walked in they looked at us like we were interrupting their work.  The store was small and anything that cost more than $10 was locked up behind glass or hidden from view entirely.  I asked about Unitrack and he went looking and came back a few minutes later with this cardboard box with varying pieces of Unitrack completely unorganized.  I almost fell over when I saw the prices he had marked on them, too.  I'm sure they were MSRP +15%.  Its hard to believe he's still in business.

However, specific to your question, I think the thing you need to be aware of is that people like me who are a little more shy, would rather just take a glance at you and catch your eye, then have you come over and ask again if I need help.  When I DO want help, I will look at the person first, and if I can't make eye contact, I'll approach them, but I think its always good to just keep an eye out and if you see them glancing at you regularly, chances are they probably have a question but maybe aren't sure what to ask exactly.  If they don't ask any questions (especially if they've been looking for a long time), I don't think there is anything wrong with saying, "is there anything you'd like me to show you?"  or something like that just to engage them a bit. If they are fine, then just back off again and do something else.  They already know if they have questions to ask, they can ask you, but this guides them in a different direction and also helps break the ice with those that are maybe more shy or guarded.  Just a thought.

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Posted by Railphotog on Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:40 PM

 Virginian wrote:
and you "must" have a service agreement in their opinion. .

Reminds me of when I stopped into a local Radio Shack, they had a coupon in the paper for a free flashlight.  Decent flashlight, 3-D cells, bought two packs of those.   The salesman tried to sell me a service agreement/warranty on the FREE flashlight!  I think it was about $2.50 for the $10.00 flashlight!

Thanks but no thanks!

I don't think I've had any bad experiences in hobby shops myself. We have so few in our area, and I know all of the owners, so they don't bother me.  Always glad to help and special order for me if I need something.

What bugs me in other types of stores, if you are just browsing, the salesmen are all over you.  BUT if you want some info, just try and find one!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:57 PM

ask then leave me alone!

 

 

The worst is the large sized store owner following you so you dont steal 10 year old Athearn cars.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:23 PM
 One Track Mind wrote:

Guess what? The northbound Texas Eagle, the train I was hoping to see last night, just went by! Juuuuuuuust a little off schedule, wonder what happened. Always enjoy seeing it go by, but not this late.

DURN! Missed it again. Too busy Soldering switches this morning for the other LHS oh well. =)

Yes, sometimes I put in a word or two to another customer but try to be as neutral as possible, I would occasionally dig in and say "THE KAYDEE COUPLERS RULZS!!!! DITCH THE HORN AND HOOK~!" but.. not too often thank goodness.

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Posted by 3railguy on Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:55 AM
Iin most cases, I already have a mental wish list of what I want and have done some research before I walk into a store. How I'm treated is of some importance but not a lot. If they have what I'm looking for and the price is what I had in mind, I'll buy it. If I walk out empty handed, it often means I did not find anything I'm looking for. .
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Posted by dgwinup on Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:33 AM

My LHS horror story:

My home area suffered for years without a decent LHS.  With great delight, I stopped in a fairly new shop specializing in trains!  Hooray!

The owner was there, along with two other people (friends? customers?).  The three of them never looked at me when I came in and no one greeted me.  I walked around the small shop, looking at a sizable inventory of HO equipment (I'm in N scale) and looking over the HO shop layout that was under construction.  (No, none of the three were working on the layout at the time.  The owner was on a stool behind the counter, the other two were leaning on the end of the counter.  All three were engaged in a lively conversation.)  After several minutes of just wandering around and being ignored, I left.

I mentioned the experience to a friend of mine and he remarked that HIS experience at the shop had always been pleasant and the owner very helpful.  Since I value my friend's judgement, I decided that the next time I was close, I would stop in the store again.

The second visit was as unpleasant as the first.  Owner on stool behind counter, friend/customer leaning on the end of the counter.  The two seemed content to chat with each other and completely ignore me.  I looked at the store layout, noted how little progress had been made on the layout in the weeks since my last visit, glanced through the magazines on a rack and left.

On both trips to this shop, I never uttered a word and NO ONE ever spoke to me or even acknowledged that I was in the store.

The final chapter of the story unfolded some time later.  I had a need for some materials for the layout I was building at the time.  Since I was close, I went to this store again.  When I walked up to the door, I could see through the window that the shelves were empty and the place dark.  A sign was posted on the door.  It read something like: "I had to close my shop because NOBODY supported it!"  (Emphasis was HIS!)

How could I be surprised?

The prologue:  Since that store closed, two other shops have opened near me, one even closer than the old shop, the other new store is a little farther away.  EVERY TIME I walk in, I am greeted by the owner or clerk!  A short exchange of pleasantries follows the greeting.  Usually, I am asked if I am looking for anything in particular.  If another customer is talking with the salesperson, I am generally included in the conversation with an inviting "what do you think about...?" question.  In either shop, I have NEVER been ignored or taken for granted!

My only problem is not having enough money to spend in BOTH shops at the same time!  With owners and sales people like they have, my greatest temptation is to OVER-SPEND!

I wish others could have that type of experience ALL the time!  Since others on this thread have named names, I will, too:  K-10's Trains, in Maryville, IL and Green Caboose Hobbies, in Alton, IL.  THE places to shop!  (Shameless plug!)

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Posted by gn goat on Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:37 AM

Once went into a furniture store with my wife - browsing for a sofa. Immediately we were followed by a salesperson - no greeting, just followed us like a shadow. We both felt very uncomfortable and as we were leaving the guy asked us if we had come in to get out of the rain. As an aside, the store is no longer in business.

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Posted by One Track Mind on Saturday, July 29, 2006 9:31 AM

Guess what? The northbound Texas Eagle, the train I was hoping to see last night, just went by! Juuuuuuuust a little off schedule, wonder what happened. Always enjoy seeing it go by, but not this late.

Fifedog: in the short time I've been on this forum many folks have posted stories about the way they were treated at a LHS. That's just scary to be treated in that manner. It's no small wonder we all get painted with a tarnished image by some customers. Let me be real frank, though, and say I'm far from perfect, and maybe someday I'll make a list of things I could do better (or someone will do it for me!) but if I ever treated a customer like that I guess I'd start questioning why I opened the door in the morning.

Safety Valve: you mentioned something about longtime customers helping others in the store....it seems like you've helped others in here at times and I do appreciate the help. It's rare to get a real busy time in here, but I know regulars like you (Ron) can tell when I get overwhelmed and my eyes start to glaze over that if someone has a question I don't mind you guys stepping in to help me out.

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Posted by fifedog on Saturday, July 29, 2006 8:51 AM
Hey O-T-W, here's a reverse arm-twister fer ya.  This week I walk into my closest hobby store (OVERLEA HOBBIES) because I had a few minutes before Picking up Mrs. Fifedog. I'm in there 2 minutes at the counter browsing, with the owner 8 feet away on his bar stool. Just me and him. Small store. He finally says "Looking for something?"---no greeting...  I told him that I was looking for 2 O scale Plasticville through truss bridges. I had already spotted that he carried new plasticville (green packaging). He said no. I asked him if he could order them for me.  He paused while looking at me, "got the number?"  I paused,"noooooo". He replied, "How do you expect me to order it without the number". Eye contact---awkward long pause.  Then he gets off his barstool to reach for the catalogs a few feet to his right, and I proclaimed,"don't even bother", and made my exit,never to return.Angry [:(!]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:47 AM

Well, Ive been trying to intercept the Eagle since it mostly runs by night. Maybe soon I'll catch it. (Video)

You should see some of the stores that have help that displays little or no interest in helping the customer. I recall a friend who was set to spend some money on a Home Stereo and Television for Football games years ago and the store he went to showed very little motivation to help him, they literally saw that money walk out in a few seconds. I realize the store is not trains but it's the concept im trying to show.

Sometimes you over hear a new customer comment on how nice that 2 dollar tyco boxcar might look on thier new loop of track while standing in the sea of 30 dollar ready-to-run models?

I wonder how much fellow customers motivate or "guide" others in thier hobby purchases? 

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Posted by Virginian on Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:51 AM
If you like pushy, be sure to shop at H.H. Gregg  (electronics and appliances).  They will always try to talk you into a higher priced model than the one you are looking at (comission), and you "must" have a service agreement in their opinion.  We bought several things there years ago, and as they always had a good selection of the latest stuff, we often stopped to look around.  They never talked me into anything, and I decided I could live without the hassle, so I never set foot in the place anymore.
What could have happened.... did.
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Posted by twhite on Saturday, July 29, 2006 4:14 AM

I'm pretty lucky at my two LHS's here in the Sacramento area--I'm pretty well known for the most part, and at Bruce's, we've got a standing joke about me because I come in, grin and wave at the guys and just go about my business (I've got the place memorized) and when I get the stuff to the counter, if it's not Bruce that's checking me out, he'll usually say to the clerk "Watch out, he shops too fast, better ask him if he's sure he's got everything."  Usually, Bruce is right--I shop too fast and I about 50% of the time, I DON'T have everything I went in for.  For instance, last week I completely overlooked the new stock of Athearn 50' Santa Fe WWII reefers. 

The other LHS, Railroad Hobbies in Roseville is a little more formal--but nicely so.  I"m always greeted at the door with "Can I help you find anything?"  and when I grin and say that I'm just there to see what hits me, I'm pretty much left alone until I pop the question--"Where do you keep the--?" and then one of the very knowledgeable and pleasant guys is right there to show me. 

Nice thing about both hobby shops, though, they know me enough to let me know if something that they think I might be really interested in has come in.  No hard sell, just information.  I think they all know that I'll probably buy it, anyway, LOL!   And dang it, both hobby shops have their consignment brass loco cases right by the front door.  Now, I ask you, is THAT fair, LOL?

Good places, good people.  I keep going back.

Tom Smile [:)]

 

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Posted by One Track Mind on Saturday, July 29, 2006 12:49 AM

Thanks for all the replies so far everybody. I've been at this nearly 9 years but I've often wondered about this. Again, it's very cool to hear from a broad spectrum of folks on this forum. Still down here tonight catching up on work. Thanks to a couple of shipping snafus everything came in at about 4 this afternoon instead of on Wed, Thu and today...so instead of coming in tomorrow, uh, later today...I got it mostly put up tonight. Start fresh in the morning, hoping for a good day tom,er, later today. Thought I might try and stay until the Texas Eagle went by here, but amtrak.com indicates a service disruption. To answer a couple of questions and comments...I really don't use the "quote" boxes but here goes:

Jim: "another LHS owner scouting prices." Hadn't thought of that, but my main competitor used to be one of my best customers so I don't worry about him. We're still good friends. I AM pretty sure that Wal-Mart sends their spies in here, but no real proof!

Stephen: "where is my shop located?" As some of you no doubt remember, I was and still am a little worried about the "not promoting your own shop" on this forum. But I think we'll answer this one since like an idiot I used my store name for an ID on this forum anyway and then the town is listed there too, to the left...so...Stephen I think you are in Texas, I'm up I-30 a piece here in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Safety Valve: Ron...thanks again for all of your business here. You should never feel guilty for browsing awhile here though! You are always welcome to spend as much time here as you like.

DrummingRailfan: sorry to hear about your LHS owner's health. Hopefully all will work out OK. Always feel a kindred spirit with these other owners even if I don't know them. I said a prayer for him.

Lisa and the other newbies that answer: thank goodness for your interest in our hobby! But I gotta tell you, new folks scare the bejeezus out of me because you don't want to overwhelm folks with a lot of technical info, yet you want to make sure they have everything they need, but I never try to sell anyone new to model railroading something that they don't need. I know sometimes I could get some new customers to buy an armload full of stuff they don't need but as others have already mentioned, even a guy like me with no business education knows that doing this is just not good business and not real ethical, either.

CAZEPHYR: love your ID...the California Zephyr was the first train I ever photographed! OK, the truth, at the time it was called the San Francisco Zephyr, but.... I hope I didn't imply by my post that I expect everyone who comes in here to buy something. It's just that if I'm busy with another customer and they get out the door without me saying my usual "thanks for stopping by" or something, then I worry that they may think I was so rude that I didn't even notice them leaving. (and then, God forbid, they write on a forum about what a rude ************ that guy in Little Rock was!Wink [;)]) I always hope they still felt welcomed in here.

Rudywa: Hopefully nothing would ever go so bad here that I would have to move to another city. Nothing against Utah, but I think the guys over in Memphis would be mad if I didn't move over there first!!! Smile [:)] They are always joking about my store being the best (or only) train store in Memphis. But I like it here in Arkansas...this state has been real good to me.

Well I guess the Texas Eagle won't be seen by me tonight. I'm going home. Thanks again for all the replies so far, happy to hear I seem to be on the right, uh, track.

 

 

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Posted by rudywa on Friday, July 28, 2006 11:34 PM
I definitely appreciate the acknowledgement of entering a business and not being ignored, and I especially like it when someone offers..."If I can be of any help let me know" I was in sales while going through college and I did it in hardware and major appliances and nothing boosts your customer base more than the offer to help, how can you not like it, and if you don't then a friendly, no thank you works too. Keep going, I think you've got it right and will you come to Salt Lake City and teach the stores here how to do that....?
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Posted by chessiecat on Friday, July 28, 2006 9:59 PM
I've known the owner of my favorite hobby shop for over 30 years and he knows when I walk in that I know what I want and if I can't find it I ask. He always greets me no matter how busy he is, and let's me know if I need anything just ask. He will tell me what's new and in stock and I decide if I want it.I usually end up spending the whole day there as it is a pretty good drive to get there.  I usually look the whole store over to see if there is anything I will need in the future. I don't feel pressured and I like that .    Jim
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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Friday, July 28, 2006 9:02 PM
 One Track Mind wrote:

Hi fellow forum members, I'll try not to make this similar to a poll, but I would be curious to know your thoughts.

So when someone comes into my store, I say "Hi, howyadoin, let me know if I can help you find anything" and then they are on their own until they need me.

Do most of you guys like that approach in a model train shop?

Sometimes, like twice today, someone came in, I said "hi" and they walked around for quite awhile and then walked out without saying anything and that makes me feel like I didn't do my job. I don't want people to feel ignored, but I don't want to follow them around either.

What do you think? Thank-you for your thoughts.

You will always have customers that will look and leave without buying anything as that is the nature of the hobby.   You may not have anything they were looking for or at the price they wanted to pay.

I normally go into stores when I am on the road and try to find something to buy.   Ocassionaly, I find a store that has so little stock overall it is hard to pick up anything that I need.   Some of your older customers have been shopping for over forty years and we have accumated too much already.

Most people will say thank you when they leave, but I am sure a few do not.

Don't let that stop you from saying something like  "  Thank you for coming and come back again."   Big Smile [:D]

Not everyone is buying today, but if you are friendly, they probably will come back.

 

 

 

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