s h o u t i n g ssshhhh ! !

[warner brook]

good evening
it just bes that way.

[jeffrey-wimberly]

QUOTE: Originally posted by metalfrog would hate to have these same people see my layout and point out the things im doing wrong on my layout.just my 2cents.terry..

In that case, I tell them the door is to the right.[(-D][(-D]

[SOU Fan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by GAPPLEG

I hope Bergie locks this soon, anyway all caps has been recognized for years as shouting, if it's hard to read text, use a larger font, not all caps.my [2c]

[#ditto]
No need to post in caps.

[rayw46]

Ditto to Charlie and Jeffery. We all may mispell (Don't even think about it) a word now and again but I give up reading some of the posts. It's just not worth the headache.

[Pruitt]

Occasional mis-spelling or incorrect grammar happens. What bothers me is when it really impacts readability. Forum shorthand falls in that same category - it's a lot harder to read than a properly written sentence, even if that sentence has one or two mis-spellings or typos in it.

[metalfrog]

i could care less whether one types in caps.makes no difference to me.a few words misspelled doesn't bother me neither.i will never tell anyone about shouting nor will i tell a person he or she is a bad speller.im smart enough to know what the person is trying to type, so why some people tell others about their misspelling is beyond me.would hate to have these same people see my layout and point out the things im doing wrong on my layout.just my 2cents.terry..

[lupo]

I FULLY AGREE [}:)]
on all caps is shouting, for the spelling thing I found a plug-in for Internet Explorer
designed to correct spelling in web pages, like the reply boxes on this forum.
read details at:
http://www.iespell.com/

[dgwinup]

I hand write in caps. You wouldn't want to try to read my SCRIPT writing (shouting intended!).

Spelling and grammer are more important to me than capital letters, etc. If I can't read it, I can't understand it. Might as well be written in Sanskrit!

Darrell, who paid attention in English classes, remains quiet...for now

[brothaslide]

I don't think we all hand write in all caps so why type that way?

[selector]

My graduate work deals with human cultures, conflict, norms, the analysis and management of ethnopolitical conflict, and what is called "third party intervention". So, if you can stand it, I'll try to shed some light on this, but I promise not to quote a single source [:D]

Culture is merely a word used to encapsulate why groups do what they do the way they do it. How's that for a mouthful! Whether you accept it or not, this forum is a group...as in "Discussion Group". Whenever humans and primates gather in numbers, they first "form, storm, norm, perform, and then adjourn" (if there is a formal reason for the grouping, such as in business for a project or committee). Haven't seen many primate-led committess lately, but you get the gist...they are social beings and do communicate. I digress...

Groups come together, by choice or by direction from an authority. That is the "forming." Shortly thereafter, when they begin to deliberate, comes the "storming" where leaders have to carve out their turf, establi***hemselves, get disparate personalities and skillsets to come together for a common purpose...usually with bruised egos and fired members who are unwilling. Those who don't mind being led, who can set aside their own interests for a superior purpose, do well and are included in the newly formed team.

It is in the "norming" phase of group dynamics that the conveniences and conventions of behaviour are established, usually by the leader, often someone dominant and charismatic. To keep this short, early in the development of the internet and email, someone, or perhaps a powerful and influential team, adopted the conventions that improved the efficacy of faceless communications. Their informal rules quickly became the norms for all who would have dealt with this group, and the "rules" flourished from that point on.

Apparently, SHOUTING was demonstrated by using all caps.

[GAPPLEG]

I hope Bergie locks this soon, anyway all caps has been recognized for years as shouting, if it's hard to read text, use a larger font, not all caps.my [2c]

[ARTHILL]

I, too, appreciate good grammar and courtesy. My spelling is awful, but I work on it. The caps things bothers me because it is hard to read. OCCASSIONALLY I use it for empahsis

[Anonymous]

If one does not have enough pride in themselves to present a reasonably worded question then don't expect a reasonable response!

[WickhamMan]

I'm generally of the opinion that spelling and grammar are just a courtesy that we extend to one and other. Lacking one or both is just a sign of disrespect to those with which you intend to communicate. The use of ALL CAPS is just another sign of disrespect to those to whom you are writing. It is certainly common convention around the NET that ALL CAPS is "shouting" (or emphasis). In addition, ALL CAPS is proven to be much harder to read (check out any human factors engineering studies on this one). The up and down flow of non-capital letters allows the eyes to follow the text more readily without losing place.

If you are of the opinion that good manners and courtesy are the purview of only those running a forum like this, then I disagree. If anything, I think that individuals in our society do too little to enforce etiquette. It's not the "government's" job to enforce social norms.

I find it especially amusing when someone on this forum writes a long passage with incorrect spelling/grammar/punctuation while complaining about a rude sales clerk at their local hobby shop or an internet reseller. Courtesy has a place in every form of human interaction (except when blowing up Jordanian-born terrorists with 500lb GPS guided smart bombs). [8D]

[jeffrey-wimberly]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

i cood car less about gud spilling and gramer or all capps as long as the contint is gud

Not everyone has a great grasp on spelling or grammer, but some of those same folks have some great info to pass on via this forum.

Tat s fne , b ut i wod lk te be abl tp reaf iy.

Translation: That's fine, but I would like to be able to read it.

I have come across posts as terrible as my first line above, and some that are even worse. These are the posts I have issues with. I can't learn about their ideas if I can't read them.

[Anonymous]

I work in the civil engineering profession and I guess we shout all of our text on our drawings as we use CAPS almost exclusively. The reason is to make text and notes more readable. As I remember the gentleman who was chastised for using all caps stated that his sight is failing and it is easier for him to read all caps.

In the words of Glen Fry we all need to GET OVER IT!!!!

[DavidGSmith]

Caps means shouting, just goes to show that you can learn something new everyday.
Who cares? The message is more important.

[csmith9474]

i cood car less about gud spilling and gramer or all capps as long as the contint is gud

Not everyone has a great grasp on spelling or grammer, but some of those same folks have some great info to pass on via this forum.

[BRAKIE]

Well you have those that feel they must rule every thing.Frankly all CAPS doesn't bother me its those that must admoni***hose that may not know any better with rude and obnoxious remarks.Those that believe they "own" the forum and must protest if something is posted they don't like.Those self appointed "forum bosses" with their childish sneer remarks if something is question and back seat moderators that try to second or third guess why the Admin or moderators take the action they did.
Those folks bother me more then ALL CAPS ever will..

[jeffrey-wimberly]

QUOTE: think spelling and grammar is far more important that 'caps'.
Some of the postings on here are terrible...

You took the words right out of my mouth. I've seen postings that are so terribly misspelled, I don't even bother reading them. Others have puncuation problems, creating sentences that run on and on and on and on and ... get the picture?
I have medical conditions that make it impossible for me to fell my hands, making it necessary for me to watch which keys I'm hitting. If I can use proper spelling and puncuation most of the time, they can too.

[Anonymous]

I think spelling and grammar is far more important that 'caps'.
Some of the postings on here are terrible...
Others don't care about spelling/grammar. To each his/her own.

But using a computer makes spelling, at least, very easy. If you are using Google just use the spell checker that you can have on your tool bar.

[Pruitt]

I also have an easier time reading a document that isn't all caps - it takes a couple of minutes to adjust to one that is.

[SpaceMouse]

The idea of all caps as being shouting dates back the '80's and is part of online grammar if you will. I usually point the ettique out to people, but as a courtesy not as an admonishment.

Personally, I just think it is harder to read, but not as hard to read as poor grammar and all lower case. Usually, if a text is hard to read, I don't.

[Paul3]

I just love it when people rail against netiquette...like being polite is a bad thing.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/

http://www.netmanners.com/

Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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[MAbruce]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jfugate


Yet these all now have great power to communicate our meaning quickly because we've generally agreed to what they mean.

I agree! [:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jfugate

Why do ALL CAPS NOW GENERALLY MEAN IN THE ONLINE WORLD THAT YOU ARE SHOUTING? How odd!

I don't know myself. I didn't come up with this idea. It is just something I have noticed though the years.

[jfugate]

Ettiquite and traditions are simply mutually agreed standards in our culture. Sure they may seem silly at times, but once our culture generally gives them their meaning they have power to communicate a lot very quickly.

Why do we shake hands to communicate friendship and agreement? How silly!

Why do we put our lips on other people to communcate affection? How bizzare!

Why do men wear a strip of cloth down the front of their shirt to indicate more formal dress? How strange!

Why do ALL CAPS NOW GENERALLY MEAN IN THE ONLINE WORLD THAT YOU ARE SHOUTING? How odd!

Yet these all now have great power to communicate our meaning quickly because we've generally agreed to what they mean.

So get over it ... it is what it is. [swg]

[Anonymous]

All caps would be more like "shouting" not larger letters.

[alco_fan]

the idea that "all caps" indicates shouting is one of the earliest tenents of netiquette, dating back at least to the 1995 "Request for Comment" that is the basis for good communication on-line.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
one would find the pertinent line down about 1/4 of the way through the document

A Google search for the phrase:
"why is all caps shouting"
will offer many indications that this is just good manners and is widely accepted

[scubaterry]

I have always been intrigued by the don't shout logic myself. Who knows where it came from. Some say it is like shouting and it isn't right, others say it makes it hard to read. I thought all caps would make it VERY easy to read. As far as I am concerned I could care less if someone used all caps. All caps does get ones attention though. Lets save our energy for something more enjoyable like TRAINS[:D]
Terry,s[2c]