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QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 Dont care for the electrics.
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 SORRY! I guess I charecterize diesels and electrics together...
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QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Fergmiester QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms. With a face only a mother could love[xx(] Fergie
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QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Diesels 1st generation: BL2 takes 1st place
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1shado1 QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 SORRY! I guess I charecterize diesels and electrics together... Don't feel bad. I do the same thing with electrics and broccoli.[:D] Jeff
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QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy Never was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms. Also anything that's not American or Canadian, sorry, can't stand foreign railroads!
QUOTE: Originally posted by jpmorrison cnw rsd5 hammer head
QUOTE: Originally posted by jpmorrison what do i win???!!! it's a brass by omi in ho
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QUOTE: Originally posted by twinzephyr The Ingalls 4-S is usually a good candidate for the ugly list.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by tebee Her's a link with a picture of the 4-s . Was this model of it ever produced ? http://personal.pitnet.net/jasond/ruloco01.htm
My opinion:
1st: CF7
2nd: all 1930's/1940's streamlined attempts
3rd: BL2
4th: Railpower Green Goats
5th: any GE built before the AC4400CW
These are the loco's i cant stand. The list is long but there were so many ugly engines!
1. U50
2. BL2
3. CF7
4. GP50L L is for looks really wierd!
5. All alcos they dont look right to me
6.F40PH
7. 3 window SD60M's but the 2 windows look awsome
8. Dash-9's and AC4400CW's i have seen way to many and i cant stand them!
Smoke wrote:QUOTE: Originally posted by FergmiesterQUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboyNever was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.With a face only a mother could loveFergieThe high hood GP30's look "cool" (IMHO)
QUOTE: Originally posted by FergmiesterQUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboyNever was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.With a face only a mother could loveFergie
QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboyNever was much of a fan of GP30s (but those are still ok), GP50Ls and 3 window SD60Ms.
I agree,
My local shortline, the Carolina Southern, has a High Hood GP30. It was a Southern unit, and when it was bought for the Wacamaw Coast Line (now part of Carolina Southern), it was left in the Southern scheme, but the words were painted over. Not well though, as you can still see them.
When bought by the Carolina Southern the Wacamaw Coast Line emblem on the front of the hoods were painted over, but, as with the Southern lettering, you can still see them.
Its not my favorite unit on the CS, but its close.
Cheese
Nick! :)
SD60M wrote:5. All alcos they dont look right to me
Of course making a list is not specifying the ugliest.
Wow! Haven't seen this thread in a while but here's my update:
Those "Green goat" things: ULTRA, MEGA YEECH!
Also agree with the sentiments regarding the 3-piece windshielded SD60s. The teardrop "cowl" style windshields were a big improvement.
CF7- Yep, looks like a mutated LEGO cluster.
Now just a minute! Who said U50 AND U-Boats???? Ugly? Come on now.....I've always felt that these locomotives looked like they were "solid muscle". Those U-Boats had, as described, that "Dick Tracy" pug face that connoted "Tough and No nonsense" (especially at grade crossings collisions!)
O.K, back to ripping on diesels!
Medina1128 wrote:The GE 44 tonner gets my vote. Reminds me of the Pushme-Pullyou from the original Dr. Dolittle.
Here's a pushme-pullyou that lived a long life. Some people flock to take a ride in it. Yecchh.
Type 5, First Gen. UK, made by English Electric or the old Vulcan Works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:40142_-_edinburgh_-_sep_1977.jpg
I can take the BL-2, ALCOs are the closest thing to a smokey steam engine I've got left and GeePs -- well. They just work.
If that Brit diesel isn't bad enough I'm sure there's a photo of an old Soviet diesel (or Vodka-powered) that would do the trick...
:)
Ignatius
Why is everyone picking on BL2's? They are much more stylish than the more common GP7's and GP9's. Now had GM installed Cadillac styled tail fins, you'd have a valid compalint. However, as built, BL2's aren't bad looking in my opinion.
Now, if you want a really ugly engine, think back to pre-WWII. Santa Fe's orginal road passnger diesels were units 1 and 1A. They were box cabs built by EMC and hauled the original Super Chief with heavyweight cars. Santa Fe shops abominated the units with some incredibly ugly creations. Other re-builds followed, but the 1938 rebuilt #1 resulted in a rarely attained level of ugliness. They raised the cab to a high level and installed curved sheet metal across the nose. Its lead truck was changed from 2 axle to six axle. For a period of time the rear 2 axle truck was retained. They applied the war bonnet paint scheme to the unit. It was quite a sight. Even with a war bonnet, it was ugly looking.
More recently (1970's and 1980's), some of the railroad shop's made yard slug units from old road diesels. You could enter one of those slugs in the ugly contest and have a potential winner.
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
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Alright here's my update:
First Generation:
Winner: Reading's experimental Baldwin #60
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg60s.jpg
Runner Up: Frisco's RS2M
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf553.jpg
Second Generation:
Winner: SOO's SD40B
http://www.sooline.org/publications/drawings/locomotives/SD40_SD402/6450.gif
Runner Up: The SDP-45
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nw/nw6668ags.jpg
Third Generation:
Winner: Long Island's DE30
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/li/li418l.jpg
Runner Up: Utah Railway's (by way of SP) MK5000C
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-u/utah5005cqc.jpg
Special Category, So Ugly They're Cool:
Winner: Alco RSD15 High Hood
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/pc/pc6816ags.jpg
Runner Up: CP's FM Trainmaster Ram-Heads
http://members.shaw.ca/cprclc1/TMPics/CP8901_Nelson_Oct7-1957.jpg
Cheers!
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Modeling the fictional B&M Dowe, NH branch in the early 50's.
Heartland Division CBnQ wrote:Now, if you want a really ugly engine, think back to pre-WWII. Santa Fe's orginal road passnger diesels were units 1 and 1A. They were box cabs built by EMC and hauled the original Super Chief with heavyweight cars. Santa Fe shops abominated the units with some incredibly ugly creations. Other re-builds followed, but the 1938 rebuilt #1 resulted in a rarely attained level of ugliness. They raised the cab to a high level and installed curved sheet metal across the nose.
bush9245 wrote:Dave,Thanks for starting this thread. I had never heard of BL2 or Ingalls. I reckon the BL2 gets my vote. That is ugly!!! Of course that paint scheme enhances the ugliness. Thanks for sharing that one.http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/monon35.jpg
One word comes to mind on that Monon #35.....platypus
jkroft wrote:To anyone who said the BL-2............you KNOW you'd be fascinated if you saw a real one in- person running today.
Not only have I seen one running in person, but I also took a cab ride in one! Sure it's ugly, but it's got class. Plus, it just sounds cool (thanks to a leaky ol' EMD 567B prime mover).
That's me with my arm out the conductor's side window.
As for the ugliest diesel, I'll vote for the U50. It's big, it's powerful, and it's ugly.
-Brandon
The absolute plug-ugliest diesel-engined locomotive of all time was not a production unit. It was an unsanctified marriage of a geared locomotive chassis and a high-capacity diesel engine (possibly from a piece of construction machinery) wrapped in corrugated sheet iron reminiscent of a dirt farmer's chicken house. Some Pacific Coast logging operation inflicted it on the unsuspecting forest.
Don't remember where I saw this thing, and don't have a specific reference - just the memory of a black-and-white photo that still sticks (sideways) in my aesthetic intake chute.
The 4 and 5 ton 4-wheel industrial tram locos used by the Kiso Forest Railway are a distant second.
Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
No comment.....
Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?
Dave
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_ALEdDUB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
http://s73.photobucket.com/user/steemtrayn/media/MovingcoalontheDCM.mp4.html?sort=3&o=27
steemtrayn wrote: No comment..... Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?
accord1959 wrote: steemtrayn wrote: No comment..... Did anybody mention the BQ23-7? That is the ugliest mod I've ever seen, is it a modified RS1? It's so ugly it almost looks good!
Looks like it started out life as an RS3 to me. I can't find any further info on this particular loco but the # previous in the series, 8459, is an RS3 at least it was accordign to this.
As for the BQ23-7, I forgot about that one, had a Bachman model very early into my model railroading life. Here's a photo of one painted in CSX livery.
Got to comment on this one! (Just so we get another look at it! )
That's not ugly... it's just wearing flip-up shades over specs!
Where can I get one?
...and are any of the BQ23-7s still available?
On another thread, forum members were mentioning how they disliked visitors calling their models "cute".
A model of one of several prototypes in this thread would be a potential cure for that situation.
Remember folks, that an RS-1 has more of a square profile with riveted construction, and the cab has a little lip overhang on the cab ends. The fuel tank is under the cab and the battery boxes are under the frame.
An RS-2 also has the below-cab fuel tank and underframe batteries, but is of welded construction. It has a much more rounded profile at the corners and no roof overhang on the cab ends.
The RS-3 looks like an RS-2 (welded, rounded, no overhang), but has above the frame battery boxes, and has a below the frame fuel tank.
This makes CPRail #8460 a chop-nose RS-3 (note the battery boxes next to the nose), sort of like an anti-Hammerhead. What's also of interest is that strange box around the exhaust stack in the turbo-area.
BTW, CP wasn't the only one to do this to an RS-3. I think Alaska RR did something similar.
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steemtrayn wrote: No comment.....photo of RS-3 rebuld deleted.
photo of RS-3 rebuld deleted.
Paul3 wrote:What's also of interest is that strange box around the exhaust stack in the turbo-area.
The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser!
See the similarities?
This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...
Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's.
accord1959 wrote:Definately has to be the GE U50C. Only a mother could love that and since it doesn't have one....
What? The U50C doesn't have anything on the Alco C-855.
NE Railfan picture
I want one, though. Darn hard to find, even in brass.
Definitely the Baldwin "Babyface". First gen.
myred02 wrote: steemtrayn wrote: No comment..... Did anybody mention the BQ23-7? The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser! See the similarities?This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's. -Brandon
Zodiac Thriller wrote:Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California Zepher
There was never an engine called the California Zephyr. This was the name of several passenger trains (full trains) that ran from San Fransisco to Chicago, via Denver.
Colorado Front Range Railroad: http://www.coloradofrontrangerr.com/
bush9245 wrote:I have always considered the VR double ended GM locos ugly. Not when seen by themselves, but when connected to a train because it looks like the cab that should be facing forward is facing the carriages. And then if double heading it looks like they don't know which way they are going.
I always thought the VR RT 'Rail Tractor' was a strange beast. For those who have never heard of it, imagine a short 2 axle flat car, with a tractor engine, and an oversized cab. Then, to make it stand out even more paint it bright yellow! But despite being ugly, 54 of them were built, and many continue to survive where more 'beautiful' deisels have been scrapped or sold to tourist railways.
For a picture, go to http://home.waterfront.net.au/~sem/locos.htm#RT
For US deisels, the BL has to be top of the list for me. Followed closely by the Baldwin DT6-6-2000 which the EJ&E had, which looks like a GE44 Tonner on steroids. Ulgy, but still very interesting none the less - strangely compelling!
Go to railpictures.net and select the Baldwin DT6-6-2000 from Locomotive type list to see a photo or two.
James Stanford
Renegade1c wrote: Zodiac Thriller wrote:Hello I am new here and I will saythat the ugliest engine in general is the California ZepherThere was never an engine called the California Zephyr. This was the name of several passenger trains (full trains) that ran from San Fransisco to Chicago, via Denver.
I think he is refering to the original articulated streamliner.
steemtrayn wrote:No comment..... Did anybody mention the BQ23-7?
The Canadian Pacific had some downright wierd looking engines, their RS3Ms were absolute buchery (notice they even cut the multimark in half!) but by no means was this their only oddball:
The FM Trainmaster "Ram Heads"
The SD10 (chopped nose hunched back SD7)
The M640 (biggest Alco CP owned, check out the weird radiator area)
Not all are completely ugly but wierd none the less, gotta love quirky railroads.
EMD SD-50 gets my vote for least aesthetic -- it's just a long rectangular box with a cab and a nose. B-o-r-i-n-g. Maybe that doesn't qualify as ugly, but it's an utterly mediocre and forgettable design. To me that's worse than ugly.
P.S. To put that assessment in perspective, I really like the BL-2. I own three of them. (My wife says that from the front they look like a sad puppy dog.)
myred02 wrote: The BQ23-7? Ah yes... the Aegis Class Cruiser! See the similarities?This would probably get my vote for second... or it would tie with that "RS-3" you have there...Apparently, once CSX got them they kept them in operation into the late 90's. -Brandon
Nice.... I'll have to remember that one.
but yeah, that RS3 has my vote. Initially, i figured all diesels have their charms, even if they are boxy, rusty, and ancient, but the way they did the windows on that RS3, and how they left the top of the round roof, its just weird.
Modeling Conrail, Amtrak and NJ DOT under the wires in New Jersey, July 1979.
The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.
neil300 wrote:I think he is refering to the original articulated streamliner.
RS-1 were ugly. Those Rio Grande /Southern Pacific Krauss-Maffei German locomotives and for 3rd-Gen. hands down-GE AC4400CW and all versions are just horrible.(really anything by GE!).
Ian
I think the BL-2 is a thing of timeless beauty!!
Especially since you can still go see one working in revenue service...
BL-2 Video
My vote goes to those modern Big Boxes that are virtually indistinguishable from each other. For second generation, I'll vote for anything with a cat painted on it. Horrible, absolutely horrible.
Lee
Route of the Alpha Jets www.wmrywesternlines.net
I have to agree with some of you but i think the P42 is just to Beautiful to be owned by Amtrak.
Um lets see how bout DD35's all Booster units most GE locomotives
All RS units and all European locos.
Lee i agree with the Cat thing. but i like EMDs locos best especially Modern ones (no SD60M with third window )
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gentlegiant wrote:I love diesels but the DL-109 gets my vote for it's hideous looks.
snagletooth wrote: gentlegiant wrote:I love diesels but the DL-109 gets my vote for it's hideous looks.It's called the"Centeped"AND GOD is it uly!! It's the only distuging thing called after a nasty bug!! Any questions???? Next thing after that is the Kruasse -Maffet's!!
QUESTION:-
Aren't you mixing up the Alco 6 Axle streamline beast (that P1K make a model of) with the Baldwin previously mentioned in this thread?
Does anyone make a model of the Baldwins?
Newyorkcentralfan wrote: The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.
I think Charlie (renegade) is right. I think that "Zodiac Thriller" means the original articulated Zephyr (which eventually became the "Pioneer Zephyr") or its east coast mirror copy the "Yankee Flyer".
Back longer than I care to remember the CSX had some diesels (6) I thank that were so ulgy the crews wouldn't even ride in them, and always made them be second engine so they woiuld not have to. I have forgotten who made the real engines nor who made a model. some where stored away I have a model of one and the front looks like a pug nose dog,and that still is the uglist diesel ever made, it even made the Edsel car look good. Maybe someone will remember it.
leonardbrand wrote: it even made the Edsel car look good.
10. GE 70-tonner
9. Foreign diesels
8. I just don't like any cowled diesels(F7, PA)
7. F40ph
6. GE U-boats
5. Alco RS-1,RS-2,RS-3
4. Fairbanks-Morse
3. High-nosed GPs and SDs
2. I'd never seen a BL2 before, but damn its Ugly!
1. Railpower Green Goats
leonardbrand wrote:Located the one I was refering to. General Defective's BQ23-7 of which SCL purchased all of.
You mean this thing?
Image Copyright Wade H. Massie
You're right, it does remind me of a pug nose dog! [EDIT] In a good way!
My Pug...
I'll stick with the pug.
Easy for me: the AMTRAK Genesis.
By the way, does anyone in this stream know how to spell?
friscofred wrote: Easy for me: the AMTRAK Genesis.By the way, does anyone in this stream know how to spell?
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I have to agree on the Genesis. Before that is the GE U-boats. UGH...(shudders).
BTW Yes we do know how to spell on this forum. We just choose not to.
What is wrong with the P42?
I noticed BL2 & U50 mentioned a few times. Sold both models of those and almost-sorta-kinda miss them, at least the U50. However, they did help pay for some nice new steam power.
I could see voting that BQ23-7 into the top 5, no problem. Resembles a long box dropped by a Fed-X driver.
How about the "ugliest paint scheme" on an engine? That can make or break one in the looks department. Rob
Gandy Dancer wrote: Newyorkcentralfan wrote: The California Zephyr always used conventional equipment.This might be a terminology issue with the word conventional, but the CZ used streamlined stainless steel lightweights of new designs specifically for that train. As far a I know the only car it ever carried that was not from that design set, was a the pass-through PRR sleeper.
This might be a terminology issue with the word conventional, but the CZ used streamlined stainless steel lightweights of new designs specifically for that train. As far a I know the only car it ever carried that was not from that design set, was a the pass-through PRR sleeper.
The California Zephyr used conventional meaning non articulated individual cars. What else would the definition of conventional mean?
Gandy Dancer wrote:I think Charlie (renegade) is right. I think that "Zodiac Thriller" means the original articulated Zephyr (which eventually became the "Pioneer Zephyr") or its east coast mirror copy the "Yankee Flyer".
The Flying Yankee isn't a mirror image of the Pioneer Zephyr. The Yankee has full height cab windows on the power car as well as very different configuration on all the cars.
What about this one?
http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/CP%201000B/CP%201000.htm
I think I found a winner!
CPRail modeler wrote:What about this one? CP 1000