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Anyone with DC still?

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Posted by trainfan1221 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:46 AM
I think that there is nothing wrong with DC, as long as you have good equipment. I have neither a large enough layout or the resources to bother with DCC. Maybe someday in the future, but I don't consider it any priority.
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Posted by cwclark on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:43 AM
I'm DC and plan on staying that way..the reason is that i'm scared to put in DCC because I have a lot of electronic devices on my layout like train detection circuits and low voltage lighting stuff...don't want the big headache of changing over and nothing electronically working anymore...chuck

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:42 AM
I will have DCC on my layout that will come soon. Hopefully.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:23 AM
I had considered staying with DC however as I was initially very skeptical. After seeng many demos, personally there are too many benefits to overlook DCC.

1. It's neat to see a powered locomotive sitting with it's lights on while another locomotive, moving independently, comes up and couples with it.

2. Watch locomotives leave their lights on while you turn the Mars or Gyra LIghts on or off, just like the prototypes.

3. Decoder equipped passenger cars with lighting kits. Lights can be turned on or off at will, especially for night running.

4. ( Modern-era modelers) Turning on your ditch lights as your train approaches grade crossings.

5. Be able to take locomotives from Atlas, Stewart, Athearn, and Proto---run them in a mult-unit consist at low speed without surging or jerking! ( How Sweet that is! [dinner] )

6. Not have to think about flipping cab control switches to set up routes. You're free to run your locomotives on any track, anytime!

7. The fun challenge of having to avoid collisions. ( At a train show during a demo I accidentally rammed a BLI GG1 into an Athearn diesel! )

As for size? My layout will be around the wall and only 2 feet wide. I'll likely have two trains running at the most simultaneously..........yet at the engine service facililty I want to have 4 or 5 sound equipped units standing by with diesels idling.

As for the costs, I don't make a lot of money myself. I must be fortunate to have been raised by a mother who taught me to use "Lay Away" and to budget and save.

But I'm amazed at how many people complain about DCC's costs. Initially the control system is the biggest investment. For a small or medium sized layout a Digitrax Zephyr is cheaper than a new BLI locomotive! Decoders go for as little as $15 a piece.
Boosters, if needed, can be bought one at a time. I just don't see all the "Hub -Ub" about DCCs high costs.

But if a modeler is happy with DC, then that's great too. The point of this hobby is too "HAVE FUN".

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Posted by ac4400fan on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:21 AM
YeSSSS D.C for me also ,But in the future i will get into DCC. just a cost thing right now ,with all the locos i have.And i need to read more about it .i hear its the way to go now ,But,Also herd theres some disadvantages with it ,that DC doesnt have.

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Posted by oleirish on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:08 AM
When DE-CODERS prices come down and can be had at the LHS I'll go to DCC,I have 20+ engines and only two de-coders to convert means a lot of $$$$$
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Posted by Cthetrains on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:04 AM
nbrodar..are you sure you didn't pick up my old club's layout by mistake?..that's exactly what we ran..branch line has to reverse-loop blocks, with the 3rd being the operating line...the rest is identical..scary concept, hey?
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Posted by nbrodar on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 9:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44

Simple? Simple??? I just looked under the layout, and that is simple???


Yes, I did say simple.

Four mainline blocks, x double track main = 8 blocks.
Branchline has 3 blocks
11 blocks = 11 wires.
Plus the main needed blocks for signalling anyway.
And with DCC, you still need to drop the same number of feeders.

The way I operate (one main runs clockwise, the other counter clockwise and a local switching on the branch), I can't see spending the $$ for DCC.

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Posted by MidlandPacific on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:30 AM
Still DC: might someday change, but that will come with a larger layout and the time to work on it. I separated my layout into 23 independent blocks and wired it for dual control: took me a weekend to accomplish, but it worked on the first try and it satisfies all of my immediate needs. I may someday replace one of my two cabs with DCC and use it to control some of my newer models, but we'll see.

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Posted by Cthetrains on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:29 AM
Well, the HO club from my home-town used DC, it took 3 of us 4 months to completely re-wire a 25'x60' lay-out after someone got bit by a 'dead' wire...but like a lot of people, the cost for DCC is preventative at this point..besides, we have run as many as 14 trains on that lay-out with only 2 main-panel operators and 1 in the yard..that's 3 people, total..and as long as we paid attention, had no trouble
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:25 AM
Still on DC, and I don't know if I will go DCC. I just keep asking myself if I really need it.
I run my trains alone and this limits the number I can control. Also the cost of fitting decoders to all my locos would be great and I'm not sure if all my older locos could be fitted.
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Posted by ICRR1964 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:18 AM
I still use DC to, have bought allot of decoders for the upgrade and have the controls for it. I am just going to wait a bit longer, it seems the technology is moving very fast right now, and I think its going to change for the better for the common MR. It will become more affordable for the common person. The sound is being added to allot of decoders, which makes it easier for install, there are a vast amount of different decoders both control and sound out there, some good one, some junk ones.

I have a friend of mine who converted to DCC and says he will never go back to DC system. He has about 15 loco's with only five with decoders. Can someone explain why he comes over to my house, bad mouths DC operation, but brings a few loco's with him so he can run them on my layout, and complains to me about my older system? He spends more time at my house running trains than he does at his own. Think I should ban him from my layout?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:18 AM
I have complete DC and DCC control systems waiting to be installed. Trying to make up my mind whcih one to use.

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Posted by Cox 47 on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 8:08 AM
A small layout and a even smaller budjet.....Its got to be DC and unless I hit the lottery It will always be DC...Cox 47
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Posted by GAPPLEG on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 7:45 AM
Agreed, DC is still dominate for now, If been running dc for 35 years, I tore it all apart and re-wired it lately in rwo nights, no big deal, converting 60 or so locos is a big deal, I would like dcc in the future, but like others I run my trains on a 16x20 layout with 30 switches by my self. There no big inducement for me to plunge yet.
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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 6:15 AM
For the moment, it's DC. My next layout will probably be DCC wireless. For me that's the primary advantage of dcc.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 5:37 AM
I'm still doing DC, but I retrofitted my wiring to accommodate DCC, and I also have a Chief ready to be installed. I just need to amass the money to install decoders in my 30+ locos...
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Posted by selector on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:34 AM
Both, but I will soon give up the DC component. I installed a SPDT to switch between them, but have only ever used DC twice. It's a goner.
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Posted by AggroJones on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 1:01 AM
Still DC for me.

DC seems to be dominating this poll.

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Posted by lesterperry on Monday, December 5, 2005 10:52 PM
I run mainly DC. I have 2 DCC locos and about 48 DC. Just started with the DCC because of a BL T1. Love the sound and have descided to go DCC for the sound only as I only have 3 operators any given time. Me Myself & I. I will admit DCC does seen to operate smoother but not $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ smoother.
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Posted by tommyr on Monday, December 5, 2005 10:21 PM
Yep for 50+years.
Why?
Present RR is double level point to point- basically only operator. Wife & Grandaughter run (rarely)
20+locos - mostly older ,some brass too difficult & costly to instal decoders.

I have converted a brass Hudson & a regeared Athearn Hustler & bought a BLI Mike. The club I belong to is DCC.
Only reason I would like DCC is to take advantage of all the sounds.
DC Complex? NO I am a retired Telphone cable splicer.
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Posted by CNJ831 on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:41 PM
Considering that only around 20% of hobbyists employ DCC on their layouts currently, I'd say that there are an awful lot of DC'ers still out there!

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Posted by icmr on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:35 PM
Im still running DC. I plan on getting DCC sometime.



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Posted by Texas Zepher on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cacole
You should have created a third choice -- BOTH.

[#ditto]Both and then some.
In addition to the three DCC systems I still have DC for the PFM sound, and Railcommand.

QUOTE: Originally posted by nbrodar
I still use DC. It's simple, and cheap (I resued the controls from previous layouts). And the thought of converting 40 locos to DCC gives me the willies.

And then add a zero to that loco count!

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44

Simple? Simple??? I just looked under the layout, and that is simple??? With all the blocks, wires upon wires upon wires..cheaper, but not simple!

You assume too much. It is simple. Mass quantities does not imply complexity. Just look at each wire individually and it is simple. To some, much simpler than pushing all those funny sequences of buttons to try to set CV something to x so it will repsent a hex value y and then CV something to w so the decoder will set to some value z.

Anything can be viewed as complex if looked at from a specific perspective.
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Posted by douginut on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:19 PM
The Shareholders in railroad have not expressed a willingness to invest in the new rolling stock and conversion equip[ment to allow this.

DC and Detroit system wiring suit my porpoises well for the moment.

If I had the MONEY!!!!

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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:18 PM
Simple? Simple??? I just looked under the layout, and that is simple??? With all the blocks, wires upon wires upon wires..cheaper, but not simple! And yes, comverting 40 locos, whether they are DCC plug equipped or not is a bit....yeah.

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Posted by nbrodar on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:15 PM
I still use DC. It's simple, and cheap (I resued the controls from previous layouts). And the thought of converting 40 locos to DCC gives me the willies.

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Posted by tstage on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:07 PM
Sure...but not me. Nothing wrong with using DC. It works great. I just don't care for the blocks, switches and controllers aspect of running your layout. I prefer to run the trains. That's simplicity to me. [:)]

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Posted by PennsyHoosier on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:05 PM
I use DC on the train around the Christmas tree. [:)]

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Posted by rolleiman on Monday, December 5, 2005 8:49 PM
When I began my current layout, I had planned on wiring for both DCC and DC.. As soon as I connected the DCC system and ran some trains, alone, DC plans evaporated.. At the time it wasn't a question of money or time, I had all the materials and plenty of time to set it (DC) up. DCC probably isn't for everyone but I'd wager that everyone who has it doesn't look back at DC.. Put me down for DCC..

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