NO SMOKING IN THE TRAIN ROOM !...

[MisterBeasley]

QUOTE: Originally posted by twhite
Either that, or trade in their SUV's on something a little less polluting.
Tom [}:)][}:)]

OK, I swapped my Blazer for a Saturn Ion. I just commute in it anyway, so why lug around all that extra metal?

I've got a Libertarian philosophy about smoking: I don't care if somebody smokes, but I don't want to breathe the exhaust, and I don't want to pay the medical bills.

My Dad, incidentally, was a heavy smoker from his teenage years until cancer got to him at 56. As a young kid in a smoking household, I was always very sickly until I moved away to college, at which point my own health improved dramatically.

[GRAMRR]

My[2c]. I had never smoked - never wanted to. The lady that I married had been an occasional smoker when we started dated. Somewhere along the line I had made the comment that for a now smoker to kiss a girl that did, it was like putting your lips inj a dirty a***ray. That was more than 50 yerars ago. she never smoked again. At the opposite extreme, one of her brothers and his wife were heavy smokers and vowed no one would stop them from smoking. She developed emphysima and the doctor said quit or else. "Suggested" that it would be a good idea for hubby to quit or at least take it outside. He said that he'd smoke wherever and whenever he wanted. He filled the house with smoke and the wife continued gasping for breath. Now that she has to have an oxygen bottle plugged into her nose 24-7, he finally started smoking outside. I wonder if he'll ever consider that he put a few more nails in her coffin with his own hand? So you see, there are all kinds of people and some don't give a rat's behind about anyone regardless of who they are. Just as a side note, it was the wives who all banded together and set the rule that the is no smoking allowed indoors during family functions. It has worked out well and folks take their smokes out side now.
Chuck

[Tracklayer]

I see you are in the Houston area.. I do hope you fared the weather okay without too much damage. I hate to think of how many train layouts now have real water in the riverbeds..

Regards,

Jeff

[Anonymous]

Just to add to the fire here, I smoke, have been for 20+ years. Do I want to quit, you bet. Will I, probably when I get the courage/sense too. Until then, I feel I need to respect those that don't or have restrictions on where or where I am not to smoke. I do think that some anti-smokers can be a little over board, as well as the pro-smokers can be just as silly.

As for your cousin Tracklayer, he is clearly in the wrong. It's your home, your rules. I guess what I would do next time is take the family pet over to his house, make sure you feed it well, and let it drink lot's of water. Don't dare let it do it's business until you have arrived at his home. Take it in and let it do it's business. If you have a dog, and as you know, most dogs like to mark/empty them selves in a new area. When done, carefully explain that your pet was only doing what it enjoys doing and leave it at that. If he is insulted or upset, clean up, and then point out he also did his business in your home, and would he please clean up next time he comes over.

OR, just call him and explain you have asthma, are a non smoker and you have rules in you home. Or call his mother and explain to her, maybe she can correct the problem of not having taught him properly.

Of course you could just install a tobacco plant and call it a day... [;)]

[Anonymous]

OK, I knew I would get blasted, but a little clarification of my original post is in order...

I do respect the wishes of non-smokers in their homes, businesses, etc. But the ones that I do not respect are those that come into my home and ask that I not smoke in their presence or that I smell like smoke. If they don't like it, they don't have to visit, as far as I'm concerned. Some of these "holier than thou" non-smokers should realize that perhaps I do not like their car exhaust fumes, but do not ask them to park a block away so I don't have to breathe it in.

I guess what I am saying that the "intolerant attitudes" are those that lead to loss of freedoms, and I see this happening in more than just anti-smoking, especially since 9-11.

I agree that anyone who lights up when there are "no smoking" signs present is disrespectful and again, reiterate that I heed these signs myself.

I also realize that cigarette smoke is hazardous and I am gambling with my life. But, all things considered, it is my life. And if I choose to not be "politically correct" I am glad I am an American where I won't be executed because of it.

Anyhow, that's all my ranting on this subject. I know in reality it has little to do with "trains" though I am sure my layout smells like cigarette smoke. (But it doesn't dirty the track as badly as smoke fluid does!)

'Nuff said...

[Anonymous]

When I've visited with smoking friends, I've had them go out doors to smoke, although I told them its their home and they shouldn't change on my accord. I don't like the smoke but figure I can tolerate it for a while when I'm visiting.

I really only have two model railroad friends who smoke, so it isn't really much of a deal for me.

Bob Boudreau

[brothaslide]

I don't smoke, never have, never will - I can't stand it. But I do understand that people start for different reasons - I don't look down on anyone for it. I also know it's super difficult to quit and many do want to quit.

Here's some motivation for you to quit - The money you spend on cigarettes could be spent on trains. I don't know about you, but that would be a great motivator to me. Why give your money to Phillip Morris when you could give it to Athearn and have years of fun rather than a 10 minute break.

[Anonymous]

You seem to know an awful lot of physical wrecks, people who spend too much and now smokers who can't read. No disrespect but are you stirring up pet hates people like to react to?
Even if you are... people do enjoy exploding about them...

Your original post seems to suggest that he's okay smoking in the house but not in the trainroom... WHY? My dog goes out if he drools, farts or anything else he shouldn't....

As for signs... in those far off days when smoking was allowed in offices a sign appeared in Redhill AMO to the effect... "Don't pollute the air over my desk with your smoke and I won't ---- on your desk". Given the size of the sign writer I believe it worked quite well.

[brothaslide]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Foster

You seem to know an awful lot of physical wrecks, people who spend too much and now smokers who can't read. No disrespect but are you stirring up pet hates people like to react to?
Even if you are... people do enjoy exploding about them...

Huh!?!?!?[?]

[Curmudgeon]

I ought to post a picture of the sign on the railroad just to whizz you folks off.........

[loathar]

Did he do it right in front of you or go in there without your knowledge? I'm a smoker, but I always respect other peoples
rules.

[Anonymous]

Funny how smokers often have stories about cousin Eddie who lived to by 102 despite putting away 2 packs of Camels a day, and non-smokers talk about Aunt Edith who died from lung cancer at age 37. We all like to find the examples to suit our causes. None of that matters. The key that's been mentioned here many times is consideration. Your home is your castle. I have stopped visiting layouts of a couple of friends who smoke, because despite the fun, I would hack and cough for a day or so after, because I really react badly to second hand smoke. But I never asked them to stop smoking. It's their house! If anyone decides to smoke at my house, they are immediately told to stop. If they can't be considerate and respectful, they're gone. Simple. Why is this such a big issue? We really can all live in peace here. Just be considerate.

[dave9999]

Hey Tracklayer,
I wish the only thing I had to get "tick off" about was someone smoking in the
train room! I would suggest that you not let the little things get you so upset. There
are far bigger things to worry about these days. BTW, how did you fair with Rita?[%-)]
Good luck, Dave[:)]

[Anonymous]

The fault is even on both sides. You let him do it.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

I'm really ticked off right now to say the least... My heavy smoking cousin walked into my train room puffing on one of his nasty little mini cigars at around 3:30pm this evening. It's now a little after 10:00pm and I can still smell the nasty stuff after six and a half hours... There are signs plainly posted outside of the door and on the wall of my train room that read NO SMOKING!. The guy can't say he can't read because he owns his own very successful business and is a computer wizard. He thought because he's a relative that he could just totally disregard the signs and do as he pleased. I tried burning a candle and spraying air freshener, but it didn't do a bit of good and still smells as if it happened only five minutes ago.
I admit, I use to smoke, but I had more respect for other people and their homes. ([:(!])

Tracklayer

[rexhea]

You don't allow smoking in your train room or home? Then have the guts to enforce your rules.

You come to my layout or home with smoking allowed...put up with it or stay at home.

REX

[rolleiman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

I see you are in the Houston area.. I do hope you fared the weather okay without too much damage. I hate to think of how many train layouts now have real water in the riverbeds..

Regards,

Jeff

QUOTE:

Hello again rolleiman (Jeff). All we got out here where I live was 40 and 50 mph gusts and very little rain. We were expecting 75 or 100+ mph winds and heavy rain, so we prepared for the worst and nailed everything down. I've heard a lot of people complain because they went to so much trouble to evacuate and so forth, then nothing happened, but they'd better be thankful because it could have been a whole lot worse... Better to be safe than sorry. The thing that got to me the most about it all was the 24 people that died in the bus explosion and all of the animals and pets that died in the hot trailers and cars because the traffic was only able to move at a snails pace, and people turned their car A/Cs off to conserve gas. Sad...

Tracklayer

Can't win in a situation like that. Wasted time if you leave, Dead if you stay.. They were predicting 24 inch rains, 4 or 5 foot surges, etc.. After seeing what Katrina did (the levys breaking is what did it), I guess people got spooked in the possible path of Rita. From day one though I couln't understand why they didn't reverse the direction of the opposite lanes. I suspect the jam would have been just as bad though.. Just twice as wide. I do feel for all the pets.. The people made the choice to leave. Unfortunate some died but this goes to show how prepared we Really are if a major city HAS to be evacuated.. I hope our governments (on all levels) learned something from all of this.. Probably not. I guess when Zeana (or whatever they call the next one) comes barreling through, people won't know what to do..

Be well,
Jeff
[:)]

[Curmudgeon]

[Anonymous]

Smokers are rude and have not problems killing them self and others with their pollution, and making us pay for their sicknesses.

Someone lights up in the train room or house, they never come back.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Shermanhill1

Smokers are rude and have not problems killing them self and others with their pollution, and making us pay for their sicknesses.

Only a matter of time until someone notched it up a bit by labeling all smokers as rude.

You must be a smoker? [;)]

[selector]

I have not taken the time ot read all of the posts, so I apologize now if I duplicate.

Have a sign that says, right on the door to the layout room,

"Locomotives may smoke!!"

"You may not."

[Curmudgeon]

hehehehe.

I re-read the posts, as I originally thought the originator lived at home.
There are option if you live at home and the parent's won't step in and/or smoke in the house.
Legal options.

BTAIM, I worked for an organization in South America that specializes in Bible Translation, and we'd get big stogies, cut them in half, and smoke them in the shop.

When you're outside in certain areas, the advantages in mosquito control come into play.

TOC

[Anonymous]

Hey Rollieman you asked my question...

"After seeing what Katrina did (the levys breaking is what did it), I guess people got spooked in the possible path of Rita. From day one though I couln't understand why they didn't reverse the direction of the opposite lanes. I suspect the jam would have been just as bad though.. Just twice as wide"

At least it would have been half as long.

Back before WW1 (about 1906) they ran a practice mobilisation... the military "borrowed" the railways and turned the whole system into a huge one way circuit feeding all the troops and reservists onto Salisbury Plain ... it's scarey to think that railways/railroads changed the whole face of warfare... Don't know whether the Franco-Prussian War or your Civil War came first... they were the first industrial wars that allowed troops and munitions to be moved in the modern way... before that they walked.

Maybe someone should write to George W and suggest they one way the freeways when they need to get everyone out?

The idea is way too obvious for government to think of it.

[dave9999]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Shermanhill1

Smokers are rude and have not problems killing them self and others with their pollution, and making us pay for their sicknesses.

Someone lights up in the train room or house, they never come back.

I'm a smoker and I'm not "rude"... But I CAN be.

I could also label all non-smokers as rude, but I don't think I have met every one of them. So
I wouldn't be so quick to label everyone by one characteristic. By your logic, I could say that
everyone that drinks beer is a drunk. H***, let's just say everyone with blue eyes are rude.

Smoking doesn't make a person rude, clumping an entire group of people that you have
never met together and then labeling them is. Have a nice day, my next smoke will be just
for you. Dave

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Curmudgeon

hehehehe.

I re-read the posts, as I originally thought the originator lived at home.
There are option if you live at home and the parent's won't step in and/or smoke in the house.

I must have missed that part, are you sure your not referring to Cheese3?

[Curmudgeon]

That's why I said after I re-read the posts.
There is so much on this thread it's hard to tell the players apart without a program.
TOC

[Tracklayer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Foster

You seem to know an awful lot of physical wrecks, people who spend too much and now smokers who can't read. No disrespect but are you stirring up pet hates people like to react to?
Even if you are... people do enjoy exploding about them...

Your original post seems to suggest that he's okay smoking in the house but not in the trainroom... WHY? My dog goes out if he drools, farts or anything else he shouldn't....

As for signs... in those far off days when smoking was allowed in offices a sign appeared in Redhill AMO to the effect... "Don't pollute the air over my desk with your smoke and I won't ---- on your desk". Given the size of the sign writer I believe it worked quite well.

No David Foster, just sharing some of the characters I have to contend with and things that go on in my life...

And no, no one is allowed to smoke in my house. My cousin just walked in out of the blue with his cigar in hand, and I wasted no time walking outside knowing he would follow, but the damage was done and the smell lingered for hours. My train room is out in the guest house, and like I said, has a large sign plainly posted on the door and another one on the wall inside the room in plain view.

Tracklayer

[Tracklayer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by loathar

Did he do it right in front of you or go in there without your knowledge? I'm a smoker, but I always respect other peoples
rules.

No loathar. He's a very heavy smoker, and always has one in his hand. He showed up and walked in unexpectedly, and maybe just simply forgot himself. If I'd seen him coming, I would have said "no, no, no!". Not in here thank you...

Tracklayer

[Tracklayer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay

The fault is even on both sides. You let him do it.

No, I didn't "let him do it"... He walked in on me unexpectedly, or else I would have caught him ten feet from the door and told him - not in here you don't!...

Tracklayer

[TrainFreak409]

I absolutely love smokers!

When they have wheels, and are running on my track.[:D]

[Tracklayer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dave9999

Hey Tracklayer,
I wish the only thing I had to get "tick off" about was someone smoking in the
train room! I would suggest that you not let the little things get you so upset. There
are far bigger things to worry about these days. BTW, how did you fair with Rita?[%-)]
Good luck, Dave[:)]

Hey there dave9999. It was just the smell of the smoke in my otherwise very neat and sterile train room that made me mad. You'd have to know me in person to really understand why things like that set me off. I'll get over it. If you ever watch the original version of The Odd Couple, not the TV show, but the movie. Pay close attention to Felix Unger. I'm "a lot" like that...

As for Rita. I went to all that trouble and expense like everyone else of boarding up the windows, stocking up on food and gas, parking the vehicles out in the open away from the trees, moving eveything in that might otherwise have gotten blown away and got the old generator ready for when the power went out so I'd have TV, A/C and all the creature comforts only to have no more than 40 and 50 mile per hour gusts and very little rain... Don't get me wrong. I'm very grateful, but like I was telling loathar, the saddest part of it was the people that were killed in the bus fire and all the animals that died from the heat. Speaking of heat, it was 100 degrees here today with a heat index of 105 ([xx(])...

Tracklayer