gmpullmanHope that helps,
Hi Ed!
That helps enormously!!! Thank you for showing me how to find the photos I needed. I really appreciate your help.
Now I know that there was a door in the back of the car!
Cheers!!
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
hon30critterI have a question for Ed (gmpullman).
I often search Flickr for railroad photos. Flickr seems to be a site more geared toward the photographer and not just a photo hosting site. Many of the photos are of a higher resolution which helps in picking out details.
D&RGW MOW Equipment: Cook Car 053 by Kevin Madore, on Flickr
If you notice the caption area under the photo you'll see the links both to that particular photo as well as the person who has uploaded it. If you click one of those links you'll be taken to the Flickr site where you can continue to look at photos that the particular contributor has posted or use the tools to browse or do a further search.
I'm not sure if 'registering' with Flickr is necessary to do a search. Once you learn the navigation tricks you can search within a person's 'albums' or you can choose to search the entire site.
Some users don't even bother with sorting photos into albums, others keep photos nicely sorted into categories, or albums.
If I search the site for 'denver rio grande' I get almost ten thousand photos.
'rio grande narrow gauge' gets me 2,794 photos.
Some users, like myself, allow anyone to share or download photos. When I share another's photo I am sure to retain that owner's credits that can be linked back to Flickr, playing by the rules. A few contributors have photos that are 'Public Domain' and are free to use without restrictions, although I still credit the photographer, if known.
Curving toward Cresco by Mike Danneman, on Flickr
Rio Grande MOW Cook Car 053 by Wil Hata, on Flickr
Rotary OY Cab by Roy P, on Flickr
Rotary OY Water car by Roy P, on Flickr
Turning at Big Horn Wye by Kevin Madore, on Flickr
Hope that helps,
Cheers, Ed
hon30critter...and then climb down another ladder in order to get to a door (if there was actually a door at the other end!)
"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."
I have a question for Ed (gmpullman). Where did you find the photos of the water car that show the corner of the car with the brake mechanism and the night time view of the car?
The reason I am asking is because I'm trying to find detailed photos of the other cars in the consist, namely a view of the Cook Car rear wall.
Thanks,
Hi Overmod and Kevin,
Thanks for that information. That would explain the lack of end doors and the large roof walk.
I wondered why there weren't more windows if the car was being used as a diner which it was not. The Cumbres and Toltec snow train has a crew car as well which might have served as dining quarters. I suspect that the C&TRR used the cook car to provide hot meals for the volunteers during the excursions, hence the reason for it being in the train.
I just like the looks of the car so I'm going to run it in the consist anyhow. So far it has been a fun build and the rest of the project should be fairly simple. The small number of windows will make detailing the interior pretty easy.
I have changed the walking platforms on the water car again. I had originally thought that the platforms were only on the corners of the car only (don't know where I got that idea). Then I saw a better view of the car ends and realized that there wasn't a gap across the ends of the car so I filled those in. Then I got a much clearer view of the side platforms and realized that they were continuous as well so I have filled those in too. The side walkways appeared to have a gap in the side view pictures because the center sections were apparently painted black. Now the running boards go all the way around the car which obviously makes more sense. I just have to figure out what sort of non-slip surface they might have had. They appear to be smooth in the photos.
I still have to finish the brake details. I started the cook car so I could take a break from the other projects. I have recieved the new speakers for the locomotives from Scale Sound Systems so I have to install those and finish building the tenders. The C&TRR had dog houses on both locomotive tenders. I haven't decided whether to model those or not. They do add an interesting feature.
We will be away until Wednesday night. We are going 'glamping' at the Pinery Provincial Park on Lake Huron. We are not staying overnight in the park because we no longer have any camping equipment so we have rented a B&B close by for the two nights.
-- D E L E T E D --
Overmod typed almost the exact same response and beat me to the reply by a few seconds.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
It was my understanding that these 'cook cars' were not operated with the train in motion or standing on active track: as with dormitory/bunkhouse cars, the MOW consist would be parked, and treated just as buildings in a stationary camp would be, for the duration of the work.
These were not diners, and would likely not require access from the rest of the train while moving.
I managed to install the windows and the door in the Cook Car side walls. I still have to find a clear view of the back wall. There doesn't appear to be a window in it but I can't tell if there is a door or not. I think it would make sense to have a door in at least one end of the car. The front end of the car clearly does not have a door.
Why railroading guys made life so difficult for themselves is beyond my understanding! Why would you build a car that was obviously designed to accommodate people (the Cook Car) that required those people to climb onto the roof, navigate to the other end of the car without falling off and getting killed, and then climb down another ladder in order to get to a door (if there was actually a door at the other end!). Strange!
Perhaps somebody can explain.
just got the doner car for the next piece of rolling stock. All I really need is the clerestory roof and the floor:
This is what it will hopefully look like when I am done. Sorry, I have forgotten how to post a still photo from a video. If you click on the picture icon at the bottom left you will get a brief view of the Cook Car:
I have to make a copy of the section car that follows the Cooks Car as well. That may be a total scratchbuild.
I'll echo what TF said. You are an exceptional modeler Dave. This thread is over 61,000 views for a reason!
Mike
Bull Pucky
Don't ever put yourself under someone else Dave. Your modeling is one of a kind from scratch, and it's beautifully done. Scratch is never duplicated.
Wayne does exceptional work that's well admired, but so do you.
TF
Thank you TF! Your support makes me feel a lot better about my modeling efforts. I don't think that I will ever reach the level of accuracy that doctorwayne does, but it's still nice to know that my work is appreciated.
Aligned Schmimed!
As my Grandfather used to say. "We are our own worst enemy, as critics of our own work".
Nobody sees what you see, unless you tell them.
You're Awesome Dave, and a heck of a Craftsman
Track fiddlerThis was my favorite part of the thread. After seeing that intricate detail in craftsmanship, you already had it at that
Hey TF!
I have to admit that I was rather pleased with how the engines turned out. They look even better with the steam pipes attached.
Don't look too closely however because you will see that things are not aligned as well as they could be. Fortunately you can't see the defects when the shell is installed.
This was my favorite part of the thread.
After seeing that intricate detail in craftsmanship, you already had it at that
Carry on
Hi Ed and Brent,
Thanks for the compliments and the suggestions.
Ed's description makes perfect sense. I have a brake lever assembly which I was planning on adding to the bottom of the car. I'll add a pully to the bottom of the chain so it can be directed towards the brake levers and then use a rod to link them up.
I also have to figure out the air lines. As suggested, I will have a look at the latest Rapido and Bachmann cars to use as a reference.
This tank car is getting a lot more detail than I had originally anticipated. I'm not complaining. It's fun!
hon30critterI haven't figured out what the manual brake system should look like below the tank but I will come up with something.
Lookin good Dave.
I think it is either Bachmann or Rapido that shows the brake system of an older tank car on one of their new product release photos.
Brent
It's not the age honey, it's the mileage.
Looking good, Dave!
I have only one piece of equipment with that style of brake and it is the old Roundhouse "Gramps" tank car.
Generally, through rodding and chain it simply pulls on the piston rod of the brake cylinder. That's the tricky part about a tank car, all that stuff is pretty much out in the open so plainly seen.
Have Fun! Ed
I have installed the proper brake wheel system and IMHO it looks pretty good!
I haven't figured out what the manual brake system should look like below the tank but I will come up with something.
hon30critterChanging the brake wheel set up will be easy. I have all the parts. Changing the end platforms might be a bit of a challenge because there are slight height differences between the two sides thanks to my sloppy modeling.
Wrong on both counts! The platforms were easy, the brake wheel configuration not so much.
Changing the end platforms only took a few minutes. The slight height differences were much easier to correct than I thought they would be.
Changing the brake wheel setup has proven to be a bit of a challenge. I had a really hard time finding a gear for the rachet mechanism. Everything I had was way too big. After two days of searching through all of my spare parts I finally realized that the Tichy K style brake parts kit included a rachet mechanism molded into a small panel that was intended to serve as the base for a vertical brake column. After two attempts I was able to cut the mechanism out of the panel, and it still has some gear teeth visible. (The first attempt popped out from under my blade and disappeared into the clutter on the back of my workbench). I may try to make the teeth more obvious but the part is so small that that may prove to be beyond my capabilities. I'll post a photo when all is in place.
Hi Ed,
Thanks for the great photos of the tank car!
I see two details that I will have to correct. One is the way the brake wheel shaft is mounted, i.e. horizontally as opposed to vertically. The other is that there is no gap on the end platforms. I don't know why I modeled them with a gap because it doesn't make any sense to have one. Changing the brake wheel set up will be easy. I have all the parts. Changing the end platforms might be a bit of a challenge because there are slight height differences between the two sides thanks to my sloppy modeling.
OvermodWill someone explain to me what that small thin tank running the length of the D&RGW car does?
I'm at a loss to even see what small thin tank you refer to. Sorry. Even after studying the soft B&W photo.
Water Car by Patricia Henschen, on Flickr
Rotary OY after dark by Kevin Madore, on Flickr
Excellent workmanship on those brass drop steps, Dave . I would have been chasing gremlins trying to make that many solder joints without the previous ones melting free.
Regards, Ed
Will someone explain to me what that small thin tank running the length of the D&RGW car does? I see that it has been removed as the C&TS now has it. Or is it only 'on the other side of the car'? -- something I'd doubt for lateral balance reasons.
There is going to be a pause in the snow train construction while I wait for some items to arrive. Specifically, I have two speakers on order from Scale Sound Systems which will replace the sugar cube speakers in one of the pusher locomotives and the round speaker in the other. Neither locomotive sounds particularly good to me so I'm hoping that the SSS speakers will be an improvement. Also, as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm waiting for a clesestory roofed passenger car so I can build a proper looking cook car. Both are scheduled to arrive in mid May so I won't be posting much until then.
The train will also need a tool/work car and a caboose. I have both cars already and they will run 'as is'. The caboose will be taken from my fleet of detailed Athearn units, and the tool car is a Walthers unit from their somewhat older work train set.
I need a clerestory roof for the 'Cook Car', and I found a suitable donor car on eBay for what I guess is a reasonable price. I got it for $41.00 Cdn including shipping.
I say that the price was reasonable only because everything else that was listed was $65.00 Cdn and up! Some sellers wanted $65.00 just for shipping!
Please refrain from turning this into a 'how expensive the hobby has become' rant. All I'm saying is that it seems like a lot of money just to get a roof and a frame. Most of the rest will be scrapped.
For those who might be interested, this is the original tank car:
I'm going to wait until I have all of the various cars built for the snow plow train before I start painting. Then I can do them all at once.
Looks great Dave!
I got the brake wheel and the brake cylinder installed on the water tanker tonight. I will add more brake detail in the next few days, but other than that the water tanker is pretty much complete. All it will need it paint and decals.
P.S.
I would like to offer a sincere thank you to all the people who are following this thread! I am humbled by the level of interest in my project.
Great looking tanker, Dave!
WOW!!
Just went over 60,000 views! Amazing!