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Jeffreys Track Side Diner January 2022

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, January 30, 2022 7:27 PM

Evening

Had a great time in Stillwater.  I thought I'd include you guys on the field trip with pictures of the snow sculptures.

Duuuude!  He was cool and by far my favorite called Repo Man.

The turnout was just as many people as Summertime a little later in the afternoon but not in this picture.  These crazy Minnesotans had trampled around the day before.  The snow looks like sand doesn't it?

I talked to the guy on the far left that looks like he's dressed like he came from the Klondike.  He made his own outfit and was a little weird but still interesting to talk to.  I like talking with people and he was the one that told me the balloons were spectacular Friday night.

The Canadians were there eh.  Rocking Horse Fun was my second favorite.  

This was the other side.  I spent more time looking at the bridge than the sculpturesWhistling

They even had an ice sculpture for Lift Bridge Brewing Company, the beer they serve at the events.  I hope you can appreciate my camera abilities sometimes.  I got the picture just right so it looked like a ghost bridge reflection in the ice.

 

A day late and a dollar short on the hot-air balloons.  I guess the exhibit Friday night in the dark with the flames Illuminating the balloons was really something to see.

This was the only balloon Saturday evening.  All the other balloon guys were probably tired out from the night before.  I could have just as well stayed home and watched a reality company TV commercial on the flat screenIck! Laugh  We didn't stay to watch it fly.  Another Lift Bridge back at the hotel sounded betterStick out tongue

 

Happy post Birthday again Brent and thanks for the bridge shot.  You should have came down here and signed up with me for the snow sculpture contest.  I think we would have taken it with a sculpture of the Edmund FitzgeraldYes

Ironically enough that was CC's great grandfather and my Grandfather upon the 8th parallel back when he lived up in Canada.  He told me the story once of the Canadian Mountie on his horse telling them to get the heck down from there.

When I read your post about the environmentalists giving the iguanas little parachutes and I busted a bit of a gut.  I've heard of tree huggers but never lizard huggersLaugh

https://youtu.be/DQSFoIwYpg0

I've always liked iguanas as they can be rather affectionate pets if raised from little lizards believe it or not.  I had two different friends that had them as pets.  Joe from Tupy's Tree Service had two of them trained rather well like Dave's was well behaved.

 

 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, January 30, 2022 9:38 PM

Hello everyone. It is (almost) freezing cold down here. This has proven to be a terrible Winter season and 2022 is off to a terrible start.

Hopefully Summer will be mild.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, January 30, 2022 10:05 PM

SeeYou190

Hello everyone. It is (almost) freezing cold down here. 

Crying
 
I don't think you'd have any idea what freezing cold actually is KevinWhistling Laugh
 
It was almost 30 degrees again today and felt utterly delightful for WintertimeStick out tongue
 
But it's not like you'd know that just by looking at the pictures I postedIndifferent
 
Then again I can't take the hot humid heat of the Summertime as well as you canHuh?
 
The only ones that can have the best of both worlds are as smart as the birds that fly South for the Winter and North for the Summer.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, January 30, 2022 10:52 PM

Track fiddler
I don't think you'd have any idea what freezing cold actually is Kevin

Oh sure I do.

I spent one Winter in Nashville when I was in college. It got so cold that ice actually formed in the ditches. No fooley, no fooley. It actually made ice outdoors!

Somehow I survived, but I am still traumatized by the memory.

The horror, the horror.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, January 30, 2022 11:08 PM

gmpullman

Hello, everyone!

Hey! Where's that LION been? Anyone hear his ROAR lately?

He's got a good racket going at the Washington Zoo...

 Lost_Lion1 by Edmund, on Flickr

Sure, just drop off the little, unsuspecting, tasty tykes at the Lion House and we will be sure to see that they are well cared for (and seasoned).

That's a good one Ed. 
 
I remember the one time I was posting about flying to Laughlin and Lion chimed in he wanted to come along because they had prime rib down there.  He said he gets a little rambunctious as he gets hungry on the plane looking at the other passengers aboard.  I told him if he wanted to come along he had to ride in the bottom of the plane with the luggage.  He said that would be all right just as long as I was sure they have prime rib down there.   
 
And then he said Roar! Like he always did.
 
 
I was concerned a while back as you are when I posted it's been a bit quiet around here without the Roar so much anymore.  The visits have been quite a bit fewer this last year and I hope he can prowl into the diner soon.
 
I miss the lion around here for not only his serious side but especially for his nonsense side that always fit him well.
 
Hey!  We only got one Lion around hereSmile
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, January 31, 2022 12:27 AM

SeeYou190

I spent one Winter in Nashville when I was in college. It got so cold that ice actually formed in the ditches.

Somehow I knew while you have been spoiled by Paradise in Florida that we all might like.  I knew somewhere, sometime you had hacked out the frost in one of those chilly southern statesYes
 
Now you may run my VillageLaugh  Who could not like Kevin? Smile
 
 
 
 
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 31, 2022 12:45 AM

Track fiddler
I knew somewhere, sometime you had hacked out the frost in one of those chilly southern states

The coldest I have ever seen was in Fridley, Minnesota, in the early 2010s.

My former employer introduced a generator set that could only be sold in the tropics because the engine and components would not withstand freezing temperatures.

For some reason, they decided to have certification on this product in FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA in JANUARY!

The class had six people, me, two guys from Mexico, one from Belize, one from Suriname, and one from Curacao. One day the temperature was -20 degrees. I really thought those poor fellows from the Caribbean were going to die. None of them had ever seen temperatures below 50 before, and certainly not snow.

It was quite an experience.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, January 31, 2022 1:00 AM

LaughLaughLaugh

Judy and I had a discussion the other day because this winter has been relatively the same as last winter only a little bit milder sometimes.  Last year the Frigid Freeze Factor lasted for months.

I took her to work one day I think last week and it was - 17°F with -35°F (FFF) and Judy said man it's cold.

I told her it doesn't matter anymore.  When it gets to this point you can just forget the thermometer because cold is just coldLaugh

Now we have evolved after all these years to pulling the truck to the front main entry of the condo complex when it's that cold.  I don't know how we haven't thought of that before. We sit on the electric radiant heat in the breezeway for 10 minutes while the truck warms up.

I have a friend Gary who lives in Fridley and another friend Jeff that lives a bit more Northwest in Elk River.

I have seen -50 actual 80 below wind chill factor in Tower Minnesota.  We went to a basketball game that night in our high school days and I don't even like basketball because I like hockeyLaugh

 

Here's a more recent one which is an all time record low.  Probably not including Alaska.

 

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, January 31, 2022 1:27 AM

Post Hog!

Tacos on warm since 8:00 that we had for dinner on my Son's grade school art project plate.  Late night leftoversDinner

And then I'm hitting the rack so sleep well my friendsWink

 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 31, 2022 2:29 AM

Well, we have dipped into the 30s, 38 degrees outside right now.

I ventured outside, and there is frost on my truck. I sure hope all my vegetation survives tonight.

-Kevin

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Posted by NorthBrit on Monday, January 31, 2022 4:52 AM

Good morning Diners.   A large coffee and blueberry muffin please, Zoe.

All this talk of cold weather  and snow  is enough to wrap up and stay in bed. Laugh

Here in te U.K.  the snow is 'wet snow'.   It soaks everything it touches  making everything wet and feel much colder than it really is.   Many years back I met two young ladies who were from Boise, Idaho.  They were not impressed with our snow.   

Over the pond  (and parts of  Europe)  it is dry snow.   Hence, it does not feel as cold, yet the temperatures are much lower.

 

Yesterday  I ran my 'big' steam engines.   All good fun.

 

Stay Safe Everyone.

 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Monday, January 31, 2022 5:56 AM

Good Morning All,

   A regular to go please Zoe. It's a toasty -4F here this morning. Toasty at least compared to what TF has been dealing with. I feel for you Kevin. The lady who does our track hospitality was at Daytona this weekend with Sean Creech Motorsports (they came 2nd in class an excellent result). She said it was just a touch above 30 yesterday morning which is bad for Florida but a couple of degrees above our recorded high temp. I've done the proper 24 a few times and can attest to how miserable it gets in the early morning hours especially when you are stuck in the pits. The cold ends up infiltrating even a warm down coat. 

   Nothing to report on the layout yet though I continue to make progress putting things away and getting a workbench together.    Ciao, J.R.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, January 31, 2022 7:21 AM

Good morning

One more mild day and she drops tomorrow to below 0 for a while again.  Haven't heard anything about Charlie's Clipper, perhaps the jet stream has reversed and he's going to get our warm streak we just had.

Got the shoes on my tripple warren bridge last week and gonna work on the piers and sizing the abutment today.

Quiet,  Too bad nothings going wrong or breaking in the building lately.  Lots to do outside but involves painting products.  I would imagine a guy would have to live down south to stay busy all winter when there's not enough inside things to do.

There's another hot air balloon event scheduled in Hudson Wisconsin this weekend. We know to go the first night on Friday now.  I wonder how cold its gonna be by then.  We'll have to wait and see.

 

Well, off to drive Judy to work.  Make it a great day everyoneWink

 

 

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Posted by York1 on Monday, January 31, 2022 12:17 PM

Good morning, everyone.  Actually, good afternoon.

I've been working on the layout this morning, and I've got to face a decision.

Originally, I planned to remove everything down to the plywood base and start there, since the footprint of the table is not changing.

I originally thought I would buy all new track.   However, once I started, I decided to try to recycle some track.  That's not going well.

The other issue is that there is caulk residue on the plywood.  That means that unless I can get that old caulk completely removed, I'm going to run into issue of an un-flat surface for the new tracks.

I think my answer is probably to drive 50 miles to Home Depot or Menards, and buy new plywood.  I don't know.

Right now I decided to sit in my chair and watch reruns of Maine Cabin Masters.

I hope everyone has a good day today.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, January 31, 2022 12:22 PM

All this talk about cold weather in Florida keeps me thinking about the events of January 28, 1986. Overnight air temperatures were recorded at 18°F and at the time of launch of STS-51-L the ambient temperature had only risen to 36°F.

Temperatures recorded at the solid rocket booster were shown to be 8°F (I presume this is due to the LOX presence?) Anyway, we now know it was too cold to keep the O rings pliable. Rest in Peace Challenger crew.

 Icicles_on_the_Launch_Tower by Edmund, on Flickr

Ye, it is vivid in my memory. Several events occurred that week including an earthquake in my neighborhood. My first wife passed away a day after that as well. Yes, vivid memories.


 

A different kind of "double-stack"

 Farmdale crossing by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

Green on the bridge:

 BN No. 1 by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

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Posted by GMTRacing on Monday, January 31, 2022 12:55 PM

Hi Ed,

   We were just getting off the plane in Orlando to go to the Daytona24 when the Challenger launched. We got to an open area where we could see better and watched the flight take off witnessing the plume diverge and fizzle out. We knew that something had gone horribly wrong but assumed there was some sort of escape mechanism (I remember one from the original concepts). By the time we reached the track the news carried the truth. Such a sad day.

   My brother in law worked on the boosters for Morton Thiekol(sp) and he took a long time to get over what had happened. The engineers in control that day knew the craft was below minimum temperature but seem to have been overruled. Viton O-rings work great at elevated temperatures but are stiff  below 40 degrees.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, January 31, 2022 1:11 PM

I guess it didn't help that the SRBs were manufactured in Utah and delivered to Florida by rail. I seem to recall some problems with the propellant settling in transport and making the connections, where the O rings resided, out of round.

Throw the cold temperatures (Morton Thiokol said 39F should be the minimum but a launch a year earlier at 53F showed O ring failures) and you have, as they say, a recipe for disaster.

Sadly it often takes an event like this to root out some inherent problems.

Onward and upward — Cheers, Ed

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, January 31, 2022 2:50 PM

York1
The other issue is that there is caulk residue on the plywood.  That means that unless I can get that old caulk completely removed, I'm going to run into issue of an un-flat surface for the new tracks.

John, can you flip it over? use the other side?

A sharp chisel or keep a sharp onge on a narrow putty knife, should remove it.  Time consuming, buy cheaper than all new plywood

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, January 31, 2022 3:34 PM

I also remember that sad day for the Shuttle.  It was much colder than launch limits, but there was pressure from above to get the launch off on that day for purely political images purposes.   I believe the Morton Thikol engineer on site left the control room because he couldn't convince them of the folly of their plans.

A few years later, I was in one of those engineering training classes where they presented each team with a problem.  My group got the Challenger disaster, but the specific incident was not revealed.  The simple question was, launch or do not launch?

I was probably the most senior guy on the team, and I realized what the scenario was.  I kept quiet until everyone else had spoken, and then asked, "Doesn't anyone else recognize this?  It's the Challenger."

I was disappointed that only I recognized the scenario.  I was working for a large, well-known and well-respected aerospace company at the time.  It seems to me that the members of the model railroad forum are better informed than my associates in the industry.

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Posted by CNCharlie on Monday, January 31, 2022 3:52 PM

Good Afternoon,

TF, the clipper has been delayed a bit but is now supposed to start this evening, not sure how much snow we will get but it will get cold on Wed. When it is -30 the air can't hold much moisture so it is dry but believe me it is nothing like -5 with high humidity especially with a wind. When the windchill is -40 your skin can freeze in minutes. Ears are especially vulnerable. I've had mine nipped more than once when I was young and foolish.

Put the CP Hudson on the rails to give it a little run. I only have a baggage car and observation for it to pull but it looks ok. Started on assembling the other truck for that sleeper car kit. Silly not to finish it but doubt I will build the other kit I have. 

Time for tea and a biscuit.

CN Charlie

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Monday, January 31, 2022 3:59 PM

Little late in the day, but I'm here and with my coffee.  It's coooooold-da-da-da today.  I hope you guys had a good weekend.

Looking to take kids to New York on the Acela.  It's been something they both wanted to do for a while now.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Monday, January 31, 2022 4:00 PM

MisterBeasley

I was disappointed that only I recognized the scenario.  I was working for a large, well-known and well-respected aerospace company at the time.  It seems to me that the members of the model railroad forum are better informed than my associates in the industry.

 

That's a little scary.

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Posted by York1 on Monday, January 31, 2022 4:23 PM

CNCharlie
When the windchill is -40 your skin can freeze in minutes. Ears are especially vulnerable. I've had mine nipped more than once when I was young and foolish.

 

When I was a kid I had a paper route.  One winter, it was extremely cold one afternoon.  I wore a pair of gloves that had a tiny open spot along one of the seams.

I got frostbite there.  The skin turned dark, and for days it felt like someone was holding a lit match on my skin.  It was true frostbite, and I remember parents and others saying it was dangerous, since that tissue can easily get infected.   I remember really suffering from that tiny spot.

I can't imagine the pain people go through with more widespread frostbite.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, January 31, 2022 4:31 PM

MisterBeasley
"Doesn't anyone else recognize this? 

Likewise, I met with some friends at a railroad convention in Kansas City in the early 2000s. We were in the hotel lobby at the Sheraton Crown Center and someone in the group of five other people I was with finally asked me why I was craning my head around "looking" for something.

 Hyatt Regency - Kansas City, Missouri by Cardboard America Collection, on Flickr

I said I was trying to imagine the layout and looking for evidence of the three walkways that once spanned the atrium. None of the other five knew what I was talking about and the one couple lived in K-C but they moved there after 1981.

I explained the whole scenario as best I could remember it and they were incredulous that something like that could have happened here. They were kind of creeped-out when I mentioned that over a hundred people were killed exactly right there, and pointed to the area of the main floor.

I guess it stuck with me since I was pretty familiar with welding together box beams and using plain old steel channel for structural work in my job. Again, another disaster where further investigation brought out "failures" in the system that was supposed to have redundant checks and inspections.

I did get some nice shots of Kansas City Union Station, though Geeked

 KC_UToutside2 by Edmund, on Flickr

And in earlier times:

 Kansas_City_ex-NKP by Edmund, on Flickr

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Posted by Water Level Route on Monday, January 31, 2022 6:14 PM

Evening guys.  They used to have us watch the televised launches of the shuttles in school, so I was staring at a TV when that happened.  I don't recall if they ever televised another launch again.  I know I haven't seen another one.  Sad day.

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Posted by howmus on Monday, January 31, 2022 6:23 PM

Evenin' Folks!

Some great photos being put up here today!  Enjoying them thoroughly...

Just poped in to send a message to Brent (and anyone else that might care???).

I, as of today, since I purchased my first fitbit...  (that was 3 years and 9 months ago) have collected 6,000 miles of running and walking.

I am sitting here listening to my printer run as I have finally completed the bi-monthly newsletter for my division of the NMRA.  This one is the largest newsletter the Division has ever done...  It is 17 pages long.  Not many years ago we were putting out a newsletter that was 2 or 3 pages.  Our membership has been growing and we are getting a lot more news and articles to publish.  This one is so large it can't be emailed from our website so members will have to go to the site to download it.  We have 7 life members of the division who do not use computers so those are what is printing here to be mailed.

We are looking at some more nasty cold snowy weather Thursday and Friday this week.  That will cut down the possibility of my having a date with a wonderful lady I met recently...  Well, keeping my fingers crossed that our schedules will find some way for us to go out someplace on the days the weather will co-operate.

Have a great one and stay safe out there!

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, January 31, 2022 7:12 PM

York1
The other issue is that there is caulk residue on the plywood. 

Hi John,

Do you have a large disc sander? If so, you could try using the coarsest (sp) disc with not too much pressure to see if the caulk will come off. You don't want to put too much pressure on the disc because that will generate a lot of heat and the caulk will be more likely to stick to the disc.

I have used my 9" disc sander to remove heavy paint and varnish. It works pretty fast. If you go down too far you can level the surface with caulk, wood filler or foam putty. I don't recommend leveling with plaster products.

If you don't have a disc sander, is there a rental place close by?

Good luck,

Dave

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Posted by York1 on Monday, January 31, 2022 9:15 PM

hon30critter
Do you have a large disc sander? If so, you could try using the coarsest (sp) disc with not too much pressure to see if the caulk will come off. You don't want to put too much pressure on the disc because that will generate a lot of heat and the caulk will be more likely to stick to the disc.

 

I have a disc sander!  It's not large, and I haven't used it much.  I inherited it from my father-in-law when he died.

I honestly didn't think of using that sander.  I will try that as soon as I get the rest of the track up.  Thanks!

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, January 31, 2022 9:44 PM

Glad to see some flowers AND E units duing these dreary winter days!

 

 Flower Power by Don Kalkman, on Flickr

And if Green is your prefered color in Es we have that, too.

 Still some green in the dinky parade by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

Who says you have too many locomotives?

 More stripes by Mike Danneman, on Flickr

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Monday, January 31, 2022 9:47 PM

Well, it's finally done!  After nearly 5 years, I've finished pulling all my photos off from Photobucket (remember the 2017 photo ransom?), transferred to Imgur and edited as many of my old posts as I could find with new links.  That was close to 800 photos of projects, reviews and other work I'd done over a 12 year period!  There were some posts and topics I couldn't find, but I was at least able to restore everything important.  So, that's a big weight off!  They have at least lowered their prices from $400 a year to about $85 per year to host images, but I like free more.Big Smile

Now, back to work on the railroad!

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