Unfortunatly neither BN 1410 or 1416 made it into the BNSF. Both were retired in December of 1990.
emdmikeThe BN version is different from the Paducah version as they have big fuel tanks and air tanks above the tank like a GP38, along with the 4 stacks, winterization hatch, Horst "ox yoke" air intake, chop nose with a non sloping top to it.
I'd go for multiples of the Midsouth version, frogeye lights and all. Nearly EVERY railroad could use some kind of Geep...
SeeYou190 I am going to be a big downer here, but I think at this point, any road-specific medium sized, non-flashy, steam locomotive will never be made in RTR plastic. Union Pacific 2-8-0, Santa Fe 4-6-2, N&W 4-8-0, and so on... never to be made in RTR plastic. The flashy rarites like Royal Hudsons, Big Boys, Class As, EM-1s, and so on will continue to sell well. However, the workaday locomotives with road specific spotting features that were much more common will not be seen. I think only the PRR will have road-specific medium steam mass produced from this point forward.
I am going to be a big downer here, but I think at this point, any road-specific medium sized, non-flashy, steam locomotive will never be made in RTR plastic.
Union Pacific 2-8-0, Santa Fe 4-6-2, N&W 4-8-0, and so on... never to be made in RTR plastic.
The flashy rarites like Royal Hudsons, Big Boys, Class As, EM-1s, and so on will continue to sell well. However, the workaday locomotives with road specific spotting features that were much more common will not be seen.
I think only the PRR will have road-specific medium steam mass produced from this point forward.
new from BLI:
But generally, to get a medium sized steam loco for YOUR railroad is gonna mean a LOOOONG wait.
Well, unless you're a Santa Fe modeler.
Ed
A SF30B would be a nice addition to my Minnesota Commercial fleet.
7j43knew from BLI:
Isn't the BLI model limited run hybrid-brass (like an Oriental Powerhouse model)?
Let me know if it is in fact mass produced plastic.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
LastspikemikeSelkirk 8000 is the Selkirk version Rapido needs to build first.
Because they only made one, I would only have to buy one and the wallet would be happy. With only having one version to sell I don't think Rapido could sell enough to make it profitable.
There was a poll on FB asking would you buy one if Rapido made it and the "NOs" are ahead 3 to 1 last I checked.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Steam -- a Lehigh Valley 4-8-4 Pocono and a DL&W 4-8-4 Wyoming.
Diesel -- Baldwin B-B Babyface, DR 4-4-15, a la CNJ, NYC, and MoPac.
The Ferro Kid Steam -- a Lehigh Valley 4-8-4 Pocono and a DL&W 4-8-4 Wyoming. Diesel -- Baldwin B-B Babyface, DR 4-4-15, a la CNJ, NYC, and MoPac.
The only problem with the Babyfaces is that all three had different bodies and frame lengths.
Rick Jesionowski
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Amtrak's GE P30CH in both Phase II and Phase III paint.
Kevin
http://chatanuga.org/RailPage.html
http://chatanuga.org/WLMR.html
ndbprrUP 4-12-2. Turning radius would be prohibitive
Didn't Broadway tackle this beast a while back?
https://www.broadway-limited.com/paragon4hybridup4-12-2ho.aspx
SeeYou190Isn't the BLI model limited run hybrid-brass (like an Oriental Powerhouse model)?
I consider the Hybrid thing a mass-market model. Sure, their detail level is a bit higher but, generally, if you wait long enough BLI will crank out a couple thousand more. (Is this the second or third run of the 4-12-2s?)
Speaking of oddballs in plastic, I never thought I'd see a PRR DD1 in plastic but I just took one out of the box last night.
PRR_DD1-GHB-HO by Edmund, on Flickr
It will supplement my earlier, brass, Alco Models motor:
PRR_DD1-fi2i by Edmund, on Flickr
To add to Tom's NYC steam list, I'd be first in line to grab a couple K-5 or K-11 Pacifics. These were the cutting edge passenger locomotive on the NYC before 1927.
https://nycshs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/pages-from-1981q2the-k-11s.pdf
Broadway WAS going to do the K5 "Commodore" streamlined version but that got shelved.
Regards, Ed
SeeYou190 7j43k new from BLI: Isn't the BLI model limited run hybrid-brass (like an Oriental Powerhouse model)? Let me know if it is in fact mass produced plastic. -Kevin
7j43k new from BLI:
Nope. It's not listed as a "brass-hybrid". It's listed as a Paragon 4.
I have no idea what it's made of. BLI doesn't say.
But it lists for $100 less than an Athearn Genesis 4-8-2.
I can't see this one being made in plastic (and perhaps not in brass, either)...
but I think that CNR's S-4-a and S-4-bs were among the nicest-looking Mikados that I've seen, even though the CNR cheaped-out and wouldn't spring for a second airpump to balance the appearance of the front end.
The Central's H10s were also among my favourites, but I doubt we'll ever see them in plastic, either...all business and a geddouta-my-way look.
Wayne
doctorwayneThe Central's H10s were also among my favourites...all business and a geddouta-my-way look. Wayne
Well put, Wayne. I consider it one of NYC's original "unibrows"...
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
Would love to see a US modern ten wheeler again, specifically a CNW R-1. Halmark made them in brass decades ago and Bachman stopped producing the Spectrum 10 wheeler which was a good basis for a kitbash. Wishful thinking.
Scott Sonntag
Unfortunately, pretty much any steam engine not a USRA engine (original or copy), or not owned by Pennsy, NYC, N&W, UP or ATSF is unlikely to ever be made in plastic.
Well now let's not abandon all hope here -- recall that AHM, working with Rivarossi and others, had plastic versions of the Indiana Harbor Belt 3-cylinder 0-8-0 in its catalog for years and there were only three of the prototype made, all running in a fairly restricted geographical area too. And that same locomotive then got made, in plastic, in N scale and O scale two-rail! Probably the largest selling scale model 0-8-0, ever, and it was at best a distant cousin of the USRA 0-8-0 that could have been accurately lettered for many more (and more popular) railroads.
AHM followed suit with the Krauss Maffei diesel hydraulic that ran briefly on Rio Grande and SP. Compared to the K-M, the Fairbanks Morse C-Liner and EMD BL-2 (on Fairbanks Morse trucks!) that AHM came out with were practically main stream stuff!
Not nearly as popular a model, but one could also mention Athearn's Boston & Maine 4-6-2 as a decidedly odd choice for mass produced plastic, as it was anything but a generic looking prototype and thus was an odd choice for a company which usually chose prototypes on which all sorts of roadnames could be slapped on and be called "close enough." Their Santa Fe caboose for example.
I am aware that that was a different era of tooling costs, model train marketing, and prototype modeling, but still, even then people in model railroading were shaking their heads at AHM's audacity in making a best seller out of an Indiana Harbor Belt locomotive.
Dave Nelson
caldreamer Unfortunatly neither BN 1410 or 1416 made it into the BNSF. Both were retired in December of 1990.
I knew this, both were on the local shortline in Indiana in the spring of 1991. . And I thought MTH did the UP 4-12-2 in diecast a few years ago with sound and all the nice lighting they put in their models in HO scale.
Silly NT's, I have Asperger's Syndrome
Manufacturers seem to have lost interest in narrow gauge diesels. Grandt lines offered a switcher - not sure if these are still available. There is some european stuff. I doubt someone will ever produce the larger NG diesels that were in Yukon (WPY), or the GMD NF210 that roamed in Newfoundland.
Simon
It is indeed mass produced plastic. You can get it for $370-400 (list $500) with Paragon 4. It is a georgeous model (I got two), comparable to the 1988 Key brass models (which still sell for $700+), although the brass models probably have more road number-specific details.
Hope this helps...
JW
I don't see a Boston and Maine T1a or T1b 2-8-4 being mass-produced anytime soon. The Santa Fe and Southern Pacific had acquired some during WW2 and I know the SP version had a different tender. Brass models of all three railroad's variations have been done. I own a Precision Scale Boston and Maine rendition. It's a neat engine, though the B&M hated them, prone to derailments and they were maintenance hogs, thus, the railroad scrapped all of them by the mid-50s. Here's a pic of one before WW2
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3840969
Alvie
Erie's 0-8-8-0, camelback L-1 class loco.
Jim
Any of Amtrak's rare terminal locomotives.
The NRE 2GS12B is my favorite. There's only five of them out there. Not common enough to be everywhere, not rare enough to be popular. Not exactly a candidate for plastic.
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/580134/
#599 was once #799, an SW1001R like #796 in that picture.
FWIW what I find more annoying is when a model of a particular engine is available, but the manufacturer chooses to not offer it decorated for all the railroads that used the engine - and as often as not, doesn't offer an undec version either.
It will be interesting to see, for example, if Rapido offers their HO SW-1200 decorated for the Minneapolis Northfield and Southern and/or the identical paint scheme used by Progressive Rail on the engines when they eventually took over the line. (Progressive Rail's "high line" through Richfield and Bloomington MN have been in MR a couple of times in recent years.) Similarly, MN&S was an owner of Russian Decapods like Bachmann has made for some time - at least they do offer an undec version.
BTW Bachmann's USRA 4-8-2 is very similar to engines used by Soo Line, and their USRA 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 (and BLI ones also) are very similar to Soo Line engines - plus a Soo 4-6-2 and 2-8-2 were restored to operation in recent years on fantrips, so a model of one or the other could fit into a modern layout as well as a steam era one.
Lakeshore Sub Would love to see a US modern ten wheeler again, specifically a CNW R-1. Halmark made them in brass decades ago and Bachman stopped producing the Spectrum 10 wheeler which was a good basis for a kitbash. Wishful thinking. Scott Sonntag
Based on the photos I found of the C&NW R-1s, the Varney boiler would likely be a useful item if you wanted to create your own R-1.
The TOY TRAIN HEAVEN site of English's Model Railroad Supply has an added-on "Fire Sale", which has a few of those Varney castings available at a reasonable price. If you're interested, I'd suggest that you act quickly, as the numbers of them available are dwindling.
BNSF had quite a few genset locomoties, 80 in total. Never made in N scale and very limited ??? as to which manufacturers in HO.
I've got a model for the list for "Never getting made in RTR plastic": the New Haven DEY-2.
It was only ever called the DEY-2 because no one ever thought to give it any other designation. "DEY-2" is just the New Haven class (Diesel Electric Yard - 2nd type).General Electric built 10 of these switchers in the 1930's for the NH; 5 of them with Cooper-Bessemer engines and 5 of them with Ingersoll-Rand engines. They were made to be completely interchangable in case one of the diesels proved unreliable. Well, both were reliable and so all 10 kept their as-built prime movers.The 33" wheels had double-reduction gearing that limited top speed to 25 mph. Despite the roadswitcher-like body (predating the RS-1), these were strictly yard engines. Delivered in 1936 in the NH's pre-war all dark green livery with yellow lettering, some were repainted into the NH's warm orange & green scheme as seen in the photo above.After WWII, 5 of these engines were sold to the Bangor & Aroostock who kept them running into the 1960s. The BAR painted them first into the light gray & blue scheme and later in the all-dark blue scheme with silver trucks.So here you have an oddity; a model made in double digits by a major loco manufacturer that was owned by multiple Class I railroads and could be made in mulitple paint schemes...and it will never get made in RTR plastic. Ah, well.
Paul3 So here you have an oddity; a model made in double digits by a major loco manufacturer that was owned by multiple Class I railroads and could be made in mulitple paint schemes...and it will never get made in RTR plastic. Ah, well.
So here you have an oddity; a model made in double digits by a major loco manufacturer that was owned by multiple Class I railroads and could be made in mulitple paint schemes...and it will never get made in RTR plastic. Ah, well.
Why, that EXACTLY describes EMD's NW5:
13 made
owned by 3 Class I's
and other smaller lines:
multiple paint schemes--don't get me started.
I propose a package deal--ya gotta buy one of each. I LIKE that DEY-2.
I'M IN!
Ed,I might be in on that MassCentral NW5 as I've seen it a bunch of times while railfanning in Palmer, Mass. Actually, I personally think the NW5 will get made in RTR plastic some day. The appeal of GN, BN and SOU are pretty good. And besides, there's been at least two brass models (by Overland and Division Point) and a 3d printed version made of NW5's (plus etched details parts from KV Models).By comparison, there have been no brass models of DEY-2's, no 3D printed shells, and no detail parts made. Your NW5 model is a lot closer to reality than my DEY-2, that's for sure!
Another one of my favourite prototypes that likely won't be seen in plastic, although there is a somewhat similar one available in brass...can't recall, at the moment, the prototype railroad that used them...perhaps Boston & Maine or another North Eastern U.S. road.
This one's from the CNR, used in the Montreal area in commuter service...
...while it's basically a 10-Wheeler, I refer to it as a vest-pocket Hudson.
I have seen some of the brass models of the U.S. locos re-done as "sorta CNR conversions", but in my opinion, they aren't right.
I have heard some talk that Steam Town was considering restoration of the CNR 4-6-4T that's there, as it's supposedly one of the locos that's in reasonably decent condition - not functional, but perhaps most likely to be re-worked and returned to service. Even if that happens, I doubt that it will light a fire under any of the makers of plastic steam locos, as it would surely be considered an oddball.
doctorwayne Another one of my favourite prototypes that likely won't be seen in plastic, although there is a somewhat similar one available in brass...can't recall, at the moment, the prototype railroad that used them...perhaps Boston & Maine or another North Eastern U.S. road.