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Name an engine that we will probably never see in plastic

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Name an engine that we will probably never see in plastic
Posted by emdmike on Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:35 PM

Many years ago, some models we see today where thought of to be only the domain of brass models.   Such as GP10's, UP Turbines ect.   Now in 2021, what engines do you think we will never see in mass produced RTR plastic.  I will start out with one I would like to have.  The C&IM EMD RS1325 roadswitcher, and even while done in brass, they are a coffee grinder/poor runner.   

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Posted by dti406 on Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:55 PM

Ingalls Road Switcher, only one ever made. A brass model was done a few years ago.

Also the MLW RSC-24 only 4 ever made for the CN. Squashed road switcher body put on a switcher frame with A-1-A trucks.

 

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:56 PM

Ingalls Shipbuilding

EMD NW3

 

Since we've got an SDL39 coming, I'll keep off that list the NW5, which would be a big seller.

Wouldn't mind being wrong about the NW3.  Might even pop for an Ingalls--only a mother could love.

 

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:57 PM

I see we have TWO votes for the Ingalls.

 

Bring it ON!

 

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:00 PM

Canadian Pacific Railway '8000': The Gateway to Northwestern Ontario History

CPR 2-10-4 3 Cyl Steam Engine

Never in plastic, unless Jason starts to get dementia.

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:39 PM

BATMAN

 

Never in plastic, unless Jason starts to get dementia.

 

 

Hmmm.  I believe you've discovered an upside to dementia.

 

But couldn't you make your own by glueing a hot dog bun on top of a regular Selkirk? 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:40 PM

7j43k
I see we have TWO votes for the Ingalls.

I'll make it three, but I want to see the passenger unit made.

In a world that did not suffer the ICC order of 1947, and the consequent stifling of fast streamliners on dubious track with dubious signal and train-control effectiveness, there was a very real place for a locomotive of lower weight than any contemporary, with no issues of nose-suspended motor effect, no birdsnesting or brush limits on top speed, and engines running all day on the smell of an oily rag that were designed for reasonable maintainability.  All sorts of prospective roadnames and possibly very distinctive liveries.  Suspect it might even be reasonable to synthesize the 'appropriate' sound effects for running...

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:56 PM

7j43k

 

 
BATMAN

 

Never in plastic, unless Jason starts to get dementia.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm.  I believe you've discovered an upside to dementia.

 

But couldn't you make your own by glueing a hot dog bun on top of a regular Selkirk? 

 

Ed

 

Already on it! The bun on my Weiner mobile model has already been surgically removed.

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Posted by n012944 on Saturday, September 11, 2021 6:08 PM

Lima centercab.  Although if a quality model is produced, I would by one.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, September 11, 2021 6:25 PM

While there are always exceptions, I think in general terms any road-specific locomotive where only a handful of them were produced and/or were limited to very specific usage - e.g. hump yard engines.

Here are several NYC locomotives I don't ever expect to see in plastic.  Some I have in brass (1-5); some I don't have at all (6-11); the FTA-B & F2 (12) I'm attempting to kitbash:

  • B-11L 0-6-0 switcher
  • M-1 0-10-0 switcher (hump yard)
  • H-10a 2-8-2 Heavy Mike
  • NE-2g 2-6-6-2 Mallet
  • Alco-GE-IR DES-3 Oil-electric boxcab
  • FM H20-44 road switcher
  • NU Class 0-8-8-0 (hump yard)
  • L-2a 4-8-2 Mohawk
  • H-5 2-8-2 Mike
  • H-7 2-8-2 Heavy Mike
  • P-, R-, S- & T-Class electrics
  • NYC FTA-B and F2 in "cat-whisker" scheme

The H-5 Mike and the "cat-whisker" FTA-Bs & F2s could be possible candidates for plastic but I think that's a long-shot.  Most of the other ones above either have considerable heavy piping (e.g. the heavy Mikes, L-2a Mohawk, 2-6-6-2 Mallet), or are just are too funky looking to have much appeal to the general modeling community - even NYC fans.

Sorry, Mike, I guess I mentioned more than one locomotive...Embarrassed

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 6:34 PM

Since steam locomotives came in MUCH bigger variety than diesel, I propose that the rules change to diesels (and maybe electrics) in plastic, and steam in brass.

 

My nominees for steam never being done in brass is D&H 1403, the L. F. Loree, a triple compound 4-8-0.

 

Following up the Selkirk idea, it strikes me that the above could be built based on a meatloaf.

 

And the very first (American) cab forward, NPC 21:

 

 

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Posted by nealknows on Saturday, September 11, 2021 6:42 PM

I would like to see the GE E-44. Alco Models made it in brass. Alpha Models did the E-44A. Bachmann did the E-33 in plastic. If they came out in plastic, I would get a few, that's for sure!

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:03 PM

Looks like I MIGHT have to withdraw one of my candidates.  

I found this, sold by Wiseman:

 

It's not brass.  Which isn't really a problem.  But it's unpowered, and that IS a problem.  Might be a candidate for a two motor tender drive.  Sound and DCC might be a problem, though.

 

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:22 PM

That's a cool & funky model, Ed - I like it!

I bet you could get a Lok5 micro decoder in either the boiler or the cab.  And, if sound displacement wouldn't bother you, those two cylindrical containers on the tender platform could house a speaker baffle and the decoder.  A speaker might also fit in the forward portion of the boiler.  That would be contingent, however, on the length of the motor you installed.

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Posted by JDawg on Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:27 PM

EMD NW5 only like 13 Ever built. 

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Posted by ndbprr on Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:52 PM

UP 4-12-2. Turning radius would be prohibitive

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Saturday, September 11, 2021 8:14 PM

Don't give up hope!

If someone would have told me 12-15 years back that we would see plastic HO scale models of:

EMD FL9, the Lima 4-8-4 C&O Greenbriar, Whitcomb 65T Centercab switcher, Budd Metroliner, GE U18B, GE U36B, and the EMD SDP40F............I would have replied "Nice, but keep dreaming!"  Yet, here we are.

I remember, on this forum, fellow modelers scoffing at the idea of some of the mentioned models ever being produced! Imho, the biggest "shocker" was Athearn doing a 180° turn in attitude and producing the SDP40F......a unit in which some were convinced would never sell due to the prototype's issues. Yet, they sold very well.

So keep putting in your ideas and requests and if you know fellow modelers or historical society members that are interested in the same units, join forces with them.   

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Posted by RR_Mel on Saturday, September 11, 2021 8:36 PM

 
My One of my all time favorites is the Southern Pacific Yellowstone AC-9, there were only 12 built.  I couldn’t afford one of the brass at over $900+ new.  I kitbashed 4 Rivarossi Cab Forwards into AC-9s.
 




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Posted by Southgate 2 on Saturday, September 11, 2021 8:58 PM

The one-off Cummins center cab. So they only made one. In our little world of what-if...alternate history,  I think that they'd  sell. I'd want one.

Like Mel, I like AC 9s too. Even more than cab forwards. Too big for my layout though. Dan

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:18 PM

dti406
Also the MLW RSC-24 only 4 ever made for the CN. Squashed road switcher body put on a switcher frame with A-1-A trucks.

Those are among my favourite MLW locos...they always reminded me of a small kid clomping around the house in his dad's shoes.
If I weren't modelling the late '30s, I'd be tempted to buy one of Bowser's big ALCos, and kitbash it into an RSC-24.

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:40 PM

The Baldwin DT6-6-2000, only 45 ever produced or the Baldwin RT624 with only 24 produced.           Does 3D printed models count as mass produced, since 3D printing of models is so common?   

 

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Posted by OldEngineman on Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:02 PM

Milwaukee Road EF1 box cab electrics...  (I believe Suydam had it in brass many years ago).

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:47 PM

7j43k
But couldn't you make your own by glueing a hot dog bun on top of a regular Selkirk?

Think of it not as a bun, but a Belpaire de luxe...

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:53 PM

ndbprr

UP 4-12-2. Turning radius would be prohibitive

 

 

Nope.  My brass one will do 48".  No reason to assume a plastic one couldn't match that.

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:59 PM

tstage

That's a cool & funky model, Ed - I like it!

I bet you could get a Lok5 micro decoder in either the boiler or the cab.  And, if sound displacement wouldn't bother you, those two cylindrical containers on the tender platform could house a speaker baffle and the decoder.  A speaker might also fit in the forward portion of the boiler.  That would be contingent, however, on the length of the motor you installed.

Tom

 

 

Moi, aussi.

But those "cylindrical containers" already house the two motors that drive this thing.  Somehow.

 

THIS one is a challenge--HOn3!

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 11:02 PM

JDawg

EMD NW5 only like 13 Ever built. 

 

 

That MAY not be what we lead off with when we pitch this thing.

 

Think GN!  Think BN!  Think Southern!  Think all the folks lucky enough to own these later!!!

 

And SO CUTE!

Keep hitting that one!

(Say!  Didn't more railroads own NW5's than SDL39's?)  See where I'm going? 

 

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Posted by emdmike on Saturday, September 11, 2021 11:18 PM

And the RS1325's live on, one in G&W corperate colors, now in the IRM collection and operational last I knew.  Many engines lived on after the class ones were done with them and some Mfg's ignore that.    I will add another one.  BN's version of the GP10, the 1400's.   1410 and 1416 worked the local shortline in Indiana for many years.  I have the beacon and number glass off 1410 when she was renumbered.  The BN version is different from the Padauch(sp) version as they have big fuel tanks and air tanks above the tank like a GP38, along with the 4 stacks, winterization hatch, Horst "ox yoke" air intake, chop nose with a non sloping top to it.  To me one of the best reworks of the classic GP9.  Give me this in BN colors, with the nice LED Prime beacon like Rapido is using now and I will patch it out just like pictured below.  Are we listening Athearn! You have the state of the art GP9 tooling, it is possible!     

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, September 11, 2021 11:36 PM

I certainly agree about the BN 1400's.  I have a feeling there will be a BN/PNW dry spell from Athearn, though.

Athearn owns the F's and the GP's.  Been awhile, no?  How about some BN ABBA F9's?  Or the above mentioned 1400's?  They DO sell.  Or maybe some BSB Geeps?

 

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Posted by emdmike on Saturday, September 11, 2021 11:41 PM

Most all the 1400's and similar 1300 series BN GP's found homes post BN, from the Bloomer line in their CB&Q colors to other shortlines.  Intermountain proved that shortlines sell with their IC style GP10's.  Small 4 axle EMD's are the bread and butter of small shortlines and ones that cannot afford GP38's go with GP9's and the rebuilds they became, and most are chop nosed by this point.    I have pics of 1410 in the PNW, Minnesota, Chicago.  She saw most of the BN system thru her years just as the 1410, let alone her years as a high nose GN GP9. 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:48 AM

emdmike
what engines do you think we will never see in mass produced RTR plastic.

I am going to be a big downer here, but I think at this point, any road-specific medium sized, non-flashy, steam locomotive will never be made in RTR plastic.

Union Pacific 2-8-0, Santa Fe 4-6-2, N&W 4-8-0, and so on... never to be made in RTR plastic.

The flashy rarites like Royal Hudsons, Big Boys, Class As, EM-1s, and so on will continue to sell well. However, the workaday locomotives with road specific spotting features that were much more common will not be seen.

I think only the PRR will have road-specific medium steam mass produced from this point forward.

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The one-off Cummins center cab.

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