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Hauling coal in HO scale (Also N, O, etc.)

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, May 7, 2021 11:05 AM

Soupy
For all of you modeling coal operations, do you remove the loads to show the empties returning or do you have a separate set of empty cars in a staging area?

I do not model mining, or end users on my layouts. Coal loads and empties are all just passing through.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, May 7, 2021 10:57 AM

Soupy

For all of you modeling coal operations, do you remove the loads to show the empties returning or do you have a separate set of empty cars in a staging area?

 

 

Soupy ... Thanks for your excellent question. On my layout , I would like to convert all coal hoppers so they have removable loads. Then I could have more realistic operations.

Until then, I return loaded cars to the mine after the operating session is completed. Same with empty cars to be returned to coal receiving industries. 

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Posted by Soupy on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:39 AM

For all of you modeling coal operations, do you remove the loads to show the empties returning or do you have a separate set of empty cars in a staging area?

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:26 AM

GotchaEmbarrassedWhistlingSmile

 

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:22 AM

Track fiddler

 

 

 

 
Heartland Division CB&Q

Please, let's not digress into an off-topic converation about long term trends regarding coal vs. other energy sources. 

 

 

 
Well I beg your humble pardon Garry.  I will refrain from other things as well.
 
 
 
TF
 

 

TF .... I was not talking about you at all. Your post is appreciated! 

I was hoping we would not digress into a conversation about coal being replaced by other energy sources. 

This comment from somebody else could lead to unwanted conversations:  "Enjoy it while you can. Coal is going the way of the Dodo ...... " .... Next, somebody might spout off about fossile fuels, and politics might be after that.

I just want to show and talk about model train operations in this thread. 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:18 AM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Please, let's not digress into an off-topic converation about long term trends regarding coal vs. other energy sources. 

 
Well I beg your humble pardon Garry.  I will refrain from other things as wellWink
 
 
 
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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:16 AM

Ed: .... You are welcome. Your coal mine scene is awesome.

Kevin .... You are welcome, too. Your S&G hoppers look great.

Bear ... Thsnks for sharing a beautiful picture. 

riogrande5761 ...... Very nice D&RGW train. Thanks for posting it.

Rich .... Thanks for your kind remarks. 

JohnNWBW ..... Thanks for explaining your coal operations. 

David North Brit. .... Yes, most layouts represent a certain era.

kassakaboose .... Thanks for commenting about the photos.

TF ..... Thanks for your comments and for the photos. Actually, I also have an ore train. It runs from my staging yard to the steel mill.

Rick ..... Thanks for the very nice photo of the PRR coal train with a 2-10-2. 

 Last Spike Mike ..... I agree N Scale is good for long unit trains. 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by dti406 on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:05 AM

One of my favorites, a Pennsy N1s 2-10-2 hauling coal to one of the ports on Lake Erie that will be shipped by boat to somewhere on the upper great lakes. On the return trio these cars will be loaded with iron ore for the blast furnaces in Pittsburgh.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:00 AM

Please, let's not digress into an off-topic converation about long term trends regarding coal vs. other energy sources. 

 

 

Thanks. 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, May 7, 2021 8:37 AM

Good morning

Well I've said it before but I'll say it again.  Beautiful modeling on your layout Garry!  You too Ed!  It was fun looking over the coal mining operations on your layouts over coffee this morning.

It was a toss-up for me to decide whether to model coal or ore on my layout since both are prevalent to the area up here. The satellites from space that discovered huge deposits of coal near the Powder River Basin area in Montana shifted coal mining operations into high gear a while back. 

Driving across the plains in North Dakota to go visit my son I've seen very long coal drags with lead locomotives, a center and a pusher.  You can see the whole train from some focal points driving down the highway as Judy would smack me on the arm as I was bouncing off the shoulder of the road watchingLaugh

BNSF doesn't like to add radius dragging coal.  They charge right through the middle of the small lakes to keep going straight.  Too bad a train wasn't on the mound while I took the picture.

The decision I made was to model ore.  Since Duluth was in-between the two places I grew up in St Louis Park and then Voyageurs National Park, the ore modeling won the debate.  DMIR, DWP, GN, then BN,  Green MachinesStick out tongue

Not a huge difference between modeling coal or modeling ore.  Just a lot of smaller Bins hauling a lot of weight down the railsHuh?

 

P.S.  There's the Bear's Viaduct againStick out tongueYesBow

 

 

 

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Posted by kasskaboose on Friday, May 7, 2021 8:22 AM

Great photos!  Hard to tell of the scene is reality or a model.  

I have a coal effort on my layout.  Fun fact: about 70% of train operation in VA is coal.  Let's see how that changes.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, May 7, 2021 7:45 AM

BEAUSABRE

Enjoy it while you can. Coal is going the way of the Dodo -  

 

If one is modeling a railroad of a time when coal trains run,  then coal trains will run.  Whistling  Big Smile

 

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Posted by hbgatsf on Friday, May 7, 2021 7:44 AM

John-NYBW

Coal might be in decline but until there is an alternative means of producing the energy we get from coal, it's going to keep getting mined and moved by rail. That day is a long way off. I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

Yep.  This push for electric cars will, ironically, increase the demand for coal needed to make the electricity.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, May 7, 2021 7:40 AM

John-NYBW

My own coal operations are quite simple. I didn't have space for either a coal mine or a coal consuming industry, other than two coaling towers. I have matching sets of coal hoppers, one for empties and one for loads. 15 cars per train (HO). My schematic is loop-to-loop but I have bypass tracks for the coal trains so they are running on an oval in opposite directions. Loads in one direction, empties in the other. I run my coal trains as extras so whenever I feel like it, I can send a coal train onto the visible part of the layout.  

I like that - - a lot.  Yes

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Posted by John-NYBW on Friday, May 7, 2021 7:36 AM

Coal might be in decline but until there is an alternative means of producing the energy we get from coal, it's going to keep getting mined and moved by rail. That day is a long way off. I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

My own coal operations are quite simple. I didn't have space for either a coal mine or a coal consuming industry, other than two coaling towers. I have matching sets of coal hoppers, one for empties and one for loads. 15 cars per train (HO). My schematic is loop-to-loop but I have bypass tracks for the coal trains so they are running on an oval in opposite directions. Loads in one direction, empties in the other. I run my coal trains as extras so whenever I feel like it, I can send a coal train onto the visible part of the layout. 

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, May 7, 2021 6:19 AM

BEAUSABRE

Enjoy it while you can. Coal is going the way of the Dodo 

Party Pooper!  No

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, May 7, 2021 6:16 AM

Great photo sequence, Garry.   Yes

What a great way to show operations on a layout.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, May 7, 2021 6:15 AM

SeeYou190
 

I feel honored to be sharing a thread with Garry and Ed.

You may feel different, Kevin, now that JaBear has joined the thread.

LaughLaughLaugh

(Just kidding JaBear)

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, May 7, 2021 6:02 AM

BEAUSABRE
Enjoy it while you can. Coal is going the way of the Dodo

You'll indulge us then as we enjoy a bit of nostagia.

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Friday, May 7, 2021 4:20 AM

Enjoy it while you can. Coal is going the way of the Dodo - there was an article on the decline of the Powder River Basin in Trains in the past coupla months. Stored locos and cars that may never roll again, UP ripping up tracks laid down a decade ago for traffic volumes that never came. This is serious stuff, it's no coinkydink that railroads started as a way to efficiently move coal and other bulk commodities from point A to B and bulk traffic remained the backbone ever since. One hundred car trains of one commodity - what's been described as "wholesale" transportation. Trucks took away the far more lucrative "retail" traffic - what used to be LCL is now LTL. What, if anything is going to replace coal is a really big question - we may well see rail fading into a even lower percentage of the transporartion business without it.

To be less gloomy, IIRC, CB&Q used 2-10-2's and the its fleet of 2-10-4's to haul the Illinois coal back in the day. Always liked the looks of its Baldwin built class M-4 and M-4A Colorado types,

https://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-10-4/USA/photos/cbq6313-navari.jpg

https://steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=2-10-4&railroad=cbq

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, May 7, 2021 2:17 AM

Viaduct by JaBearz, on Flickr

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, May 7, 2021 2:01 AM

Heartland Division CB&Q
If you would like to add pictures of hauling coal on your layout, feel free to do that. 

I feel honored to be sharing a thread with Garry and Ed.

Here is a picture of a string of STRATTON AND GILLETTE coal hoppers running on the beach route.

Thank you for starting this thread Garry. I really enjoyed the "train chasing" presentation of your pictures. I hope to see lots of pictures of trains hauling coal.

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:48 PM

Thanks for starting a coal-hauling thread, Garry Yes

Here's an overview of my company houses and the screening and washing house:

 IMG_7349_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_7345_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

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Hauling coal in HO scale (Also N, O, etc.)
Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM

The CB&Q hauled coal originating in the southern Illionis coal fields. I am trying to simulate some of those coal operations. 

These photos show coal being handled on my Heartland Division of CB&Q (fictional division) . My trains haul coal from the mines to the steel mill and to the power house in the city. Also, some industries receive single carloads of coal.

 

Hoppers switched at the mine by a GP7:

 

 

 

Train with two SD9's leaving the mines.

 

 

Coal train moving down the line.

 

 

Rolling through the country.

 

 

Arriving in the City of Heartland.

 

 

Baldwin switcher moving hoppers at the power plant.

 

 

Another pair of SD's is picking up empty hoppers at the steel mill.

 

 

 

If you would like to add pictures of hauling coal on your layout, feel free to do that. 

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