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Why most layouts I come across are situated in the 1940's / 1950's?

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Posted by Shock Control on Monday, January 4, 2021 8:03 PM

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Dr King was right, we should judge people by the content of their character, funny thing is, Dr King and JFK fail my character test.......

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Posted by arbe1948 on Monday, January 4, 2021 8:03 PM

I don't think the practical aspect of modeling this era has been mentioned at least for freight modeling - smaller engines, smaller cars equals a chance of a better looking layout.  Two bay hoppers, 8,000 gallon tanks, 40 and 50 foot boxcars allows one to have a nice looking train on a 6 x 10 layout or even a 4 x 8. Four axelswitchers ad geeps can look prety good on a 24" radius, big SDs and GEVOs not so much.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:57 PM

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cv_acr

 

 
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How exactly does one model "Jim Crow" in 1/87th scale? And who is discussing this nonsense? 

 

 

 

If you are a prototype modeler, and you model certain railroads and locations in a certain era and area, and you tried to accurately model buildings and equipment, it might be subtly implied by separate waiting rooms, divided coaches (this can be noticed on certain coach equipment ordered by certain RRs that had entrance vestibules at both ends when it was normal to have vestibules at one end on other contemporary cars) etc.

It's not a conscious choice to "model" it or not exactly, but if you went for a period-accurate model of the rolling stock and/or stations, the answer to "why two waiting rooms" is uncomfortable if your really think about it, even if you didn't realize it.

You're just modeling the real-world equipment as it existed, but the reason it was that way in the real world still existed.

 

 

 



Yes this was exactly what I was getting at. As the push for more prototypical realism goes, we eventually have to face this issue. Jim Crow is the most obvious example, but I have found plenty of other instances of the ugly moments of the past that were very visible along the railroading history scene (labor rights issues, the near extinction of the Buffalo, war, etc). Ultimately I think there are only two appropriate mindsets to approach it, either we model to utmost prototypical authenticity with the goal to show the ugly side as it was because its honest to our work (while also treading the fine line to not glamorize the ugly parts), or to embrace the world of no societal ills and view our model railroads as a fantastical representation of reality not as it was, but as we wish it was with no crime and no social strife. Eventually I think prototypical modelers will have to answer the question, are we show a segregated world especially on southern railroads in the US in aim of authenticity? Its sometimes shocking to realize that while southern railroads were the biggest offender many of what we consider to be "western lines" like the ATSF and SP also participated in segregation because while most of their line was through the west they had terminals in former Confederate states on the eastern edge of their routes. 

No the debates haven't been happening on forums like this, but the subject has come up on Facebook and Discord especially among modelers my age. We don't really have a clean cut answer, but the reason I bring it up is part of why I can see the 50's loosing some of their modeling appeal for the current generation. Of course one could choose to model the era of desegregation as those Jim Crow laws ended and those two waiting room stations became one, turning the focus from the ugly time and onto the positive changes that followed it. But how does one comfortably explain that the reason they chose to model a train consist or a station with a clear "whites" and "blacks" section is because they wanted to represent history honestly and not glorify it? Its a question this hobby does need to ask, and it does put the glamor of the 1950's era (and before then too) in the crosshairs. 


 

 

Well Travis you are welcome to agonize over that moral conundrum however you please. But I lived part of that and I don't have any guilt about anything.

And while I like building models that represent the "objects" of my chosen time period, I am not interested in using my hobby to tell a story of social commentary, good or bad.

It is a hobby and an escape, maybe when your older you will understand the value of that.

So feel free to count me among the fantasy modelers.

I tried to look at Facebook, signed up for two model train groups, can't even deal with how that stuff works. And the other stuff on there........

I could tell the story of my encounter with segregation when I was 6 years old, but I suspect that the moderators would not be happy.

Let's just say as a young white child moving from an intergrated school district to a segragated school district, I was shocked and so was my mother. I'm 63 and I remember it like yesterday.

Dr King was right, we should judge people by the content of their character, funny thing is, Dr King and JFK fail my character test.......

Sheldon 

PS - Why am I so cranked up about this? Because if I wanted to hear this kind of BS I would be on Facebook......

    

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Posted by Shock Control on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:51 PM

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OK, that's fine, it's your little world.

I don't even care to think about what might be going on in the heads of my little 1/87 people, or what their politics or beverage habits are.....

But come to think of it, I have never installed a political sign on a layout, and never had a bar or a liquor store on one either........

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:50 PM

Great!  I need to get another bag of popcorn and, a drink!  This thread has gone into different directions!

Keep it up guys!  Love it!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:30 PM

Shock Control

I model a mid-century modern street in the US northeast, circa 1957, with a train running behind it.  I run F units and a steam shifter with a sloped tender.  It is winter.  

I don't weather my cars.  I want them looking like they would have looked the day they were painted.  

The residents on my street mix high-end cocktails, and they listen to jazz and space-age bachelor pad music on their hi-fis.  They read The New Yorker and Playboy. In a few years, they will watch Peter Gunn and The Twilight Zone. They voted for Adlai Stevenson in the most recent election, and they will vote for Kennedy in the next.  

It's my layout, and that's how I model it.

 

OK, that's fine, it's your little world.

I don't even care to think about what might be going on in the heads of my little 1/87 people, or what their politics or beverage habits are.....

But come to think of it, I have never installed a political sign on a layout, and never had a bar or a liquor store on one either........

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Monday, January 4, 2021 7:30 PM

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How exactly does one model "Jim Crow" in 1/87th scale? And who is discussing this nonsense? 

 

 

 

If you are a prototype modeler, and you model certain railroads and locations in a certain era and area, and you tried to accurately model buildings and equipment, it might be subtly implied by separate waiting rooms, divided coaches (this can be noticed on certain coach equipment ordered by certain RRs that had entrance vestibules at both ends when it was normal to have vestibules at one end on other contemporary cars) etc.

It's not a conscious choice to "model" it or not exactly, but if you went for a period-accurate model of the rolling stock and/or stations, the answer to "why two waiting rooms" is uncomfortable if your really think about it, even if you didn't realize it.

You're just modeling the real-world equipment as it existed, but the reason it was that way in the real world still existed.

 



Yes this was exactly what I was getting at. As the push for more prototypical realism goes, we eventually have to face this issue. Jim Crow is the most obvious example, but I have found plenty of other instances of the ugly moments of the past that were very visible along the railroading history scene (labor rights issues, the near extinction of the Buffalo, war, etc). Ultimately I think there are only two appropriate mindsets to approach it, either we model to utmost prototypical authenticity with the goal to show the ugly side as it was because its honest to our work (while also treading the fine line to not glamorize the ugly parts), or to embrace the world of no societal ills and view our model railroads as a fantastical representation of reality not as it was, but as we wish it was with no crime and no social strife. Eventually I think prototypical modelers will have to answer the question, are we show a segregated world especially on southern railroads in the US in aim of authenticity? Its sometimes shocking to realize that while southern railroads were the biggest offender many of what we consider to be "western lines" like the ATSF and SP also participated in segregation because while most of their line was through the west they had terminals in former Confederate states on the eastern edge of their routes. 

No the debates haven't been happening on forums like this, but the subject has come up on Facebook and Discord especially among modelers my age. We don't really have a clean cut answer, but the reason I bring it up is part of why I can see the 50's loosing some of their modeling appeal for the current generation. Of course one could choose to model the era of desegregation as those Jim Crow laws ended and those two waiting room stations became one, turning the focus from the ugly time and onto the positive changes that followed it. But how does one comfortably explain that the reason they chose to model a train consist or a station with a clear "whites" and "blacks" section is because they wanted to represent history honestly and not glorify it? Its a question this hobby does need to ask, and it does put the glamor of the 1950's era (and before then too) in the crosshairs. 


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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 4, 2021 6:53 PM

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seriously Kevin, the Roswell crash was 1947, get your time period straight

Ooops. I guess I accidentally got one "right"?

Laugh

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Posted by Shock Control on Monday, January 4, 2021 6:43 PM

I model a mid-century modern street in the US northeast, circa 1957, with a train running behind it.  I run F units and a steam shifter with a sloped tender.  It is winter.  

I don't weather my cars.  I want them looking like they would have looked the day they were painted.  

The residents on my street mix high-end cocktails, and they listen to jazz and space-age bachelor pad music on their hi-fis.  They read The New Yorker and Playboy. In a few years, they will watch Peter Gunn and The Twilight Zone. They voted for Adlai Stevenson in the most recent election, and they will vote for Kennedy in the next.  

It's my layout, and that's how I model it.  Yes

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Posted by Billwiz on Monday, January 4, 2021 6:28 PM

SeeYou190

I famously had two hunters field dressing a velociraptor, and components of a scrapped flying saucer in a gondola load.

I guess my 1954 is not as accurate as it should be.

I do like the steam locomotives though.

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seriously Kevin, the Roswell crash was 1947, get your time period straightBig Smile

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 4, 2021 6:24 PM

I famously had two hunters field dressing a velociraptor, and components of a scrapped flying saucer in a gondola load.

I guess my 1954 is not as accurate as it should be.

I do like the steam locomotives though.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 4, 2021 6:09 PM

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How exactly does one model "Jim Crow" in 1/87th scale? And who is discussing this nonsense? 

 

 

 

If you are a prototype modeler, and you model certain railroads and locations in a certain era and area, and you tried to accurately model buildings and equipment, it might be subtly implied by separate waiting rooms, divided coaches (this can be noticed on certain coach equipment ordered by certain RRs that had entrance vestibules at both ends when it was normal to have vestibules at one end on other contemporary cars) etc.

It's not a conscious choice to "model" it or not exactly, but if you went for a period-accurate model of the rolling stock and/or stations, the answer to "why two waiting rooms" is uncomfortable if your really think about it, even if you didn't realize it.

You're just modeling the real-world equipment as it existed, but the reason it was that way in the real world still existed.

 

I'm not that OCD to scratch build that station that had two waiting rooms. Nor am I putting any interiors in passenger cars that would replicate those conditions. Maybe off this forum I can tell you my interesting 1963 personal experience with some counties in Maryland still segregated and some not. It was a story my mixed race grandchildren found interesting.

So maybe I fail the "serious prototype modeler" test despite my attention to detail for my region and era.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, January 4, 2021 5:57 PM

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Obviously there are certain turnoffs to modeling the era for those of us who didn't live it (the Jim Crowe south in particular is coming up in debates as to "what level of prototypicality is acceptable" lately),

I think I saw an article about modeling a segregated waiting room, but other than that, how, other than having a Black porter in your Pullman car would you do that? 

Put Sim Web, Casey Jones Afro brakeman in your engine and throw in a few statues of Confederate generals?  I hope the hobby doesn't get Woke.

Like Sheldon I don't model unpleasant things, including the banned term graffitti, graveyards, accidents, crime or even traffic tickets.

Born in '51, I think, but am not certain, I saw a doubleheaded PRR steam freight.   Only one, until I went to Strasburg in the 70's.  But my 50's American Flyer was steam.  All the model railroads I saw (not that many as a kid) at least had steam.

Buildings looked like buildings, not Pikestuff sheet metal and Taco Bells.  I never ate at a Taco Bell.  Modern buildings don't have painted signs on brick walls, unless it's a painted, politically correct mural.  They don't have water towers with aged wood. 

I watched the Youtube webcams, thinking I should know the difference between an SD##AC and a SD##DC.  I even kept a log on an excel spreadsheet.  I found most of the locos stayed on the same webcam but no good, they all look the same to me. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 4, 2021 5:56 PM

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I for one have no interest in portraying much of anything negative no matter what era I model.

Same here.

My model railroad is an escape. I model August 3rd, 1954, but not the real one.

There is no ugliness in my alternative 1954. It is just a perfect day with glorious human harmony.

I am also a wargamer, and my beliefs carry into that hobby too. I don't model corpses or casualties, my German WW2 army does not display correct iconography, my confederate army flies blue flags with white stripes (similar to a Greek flag), and there are no blood stains on weapons or uniforms on my Napoleanics.

My 1/48 scale historical military modeling is all scenes of soldiers at rest.

Why would anybody bring strife to your modelled scenes?

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Posted by Doughless on Monday, January 4, 2021 5:37 PM

Beats me.  I like the post 2000 era.  And the south, but it has nothing to do with Jim Crow, whoever that is.

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Posted by cv_acr on Monday, January 4, 2021 5:06 PM

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How exactly does one model "Jim Crow" in 1/87th scale? And who is discussing this nonsense? 

 

If you are a prototype modeler, and you model certain railroads and locations in a certain era and area, and you tried to accurately model buildings and equipment, it might be subtly implied by separate waiting rooms, divided coaches (this can be noticed on certain coach equipment ordered by certain RRs that had entrance vestibules at both ends when it was normal to have vestibules at one end on other contemporary cars) etc.

It's not a conscious choice to "model" it or not exactly, but if you went for a period-accurate model of the rolling stock and/or stations, the answer to "why two waiting rooms" is uncomfortable if your really think about it, even if you didn't realize it.

You're just modeling the real-world equipment as it existed, but the reason it was that way in the real world still existed.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 4, 2021 4:47 PM

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3. For younger model railroaders who were not alive in the 1950's, it has an aesthetic appeal as I alluded to with using the meme above. F-Units, late era steam engines, streamliners, classic cars, carhop diners, rockabilly, drive in theaters, etc. Obviously there are certain turnoffs to modeling the era for those of us who didn't live it (the Jim Crowe south in particular is coming up in debates as to "what level of prototypicality is acceptable" lately), but for the most part the nostalgic appeal of the era still exists in our pop culture zeitgeist even for the under-50 crowd who didn't live in it 


Turnoffs?

I for one have no interest in portraying much of anything negative no matter what era I model. Maybe that is why I have no interest in the rusty, bankrupt, era of my youth, the late 60's and 70's

I don't model crime - if I did it would be the dead bank robber laying in the street after the police showed up.

I don't model extreme poverty.

There is no house on fire on my layout.

I don't model racism - there are no little signs on my model restaurants that say "whites only".

How exactly does one model "Jim Crow" in 1/87th scale? And who is discussing this nonsense? Nobody I know in this hobby is talking about this, and I know people of all flavors in this hobby.

This is why I have never cared for the modeling of George Sellios - the depression was not as "depressing" as he modeled it, and even if it was why would you want to?

The haters just like to look for problems that are not there in the things other people do.

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Posted by PM Railfan on Monday, January 4, 2021 4:09 PM

Why the 40's?

For me, IMO, there is no other era of railroading more fascinating, more visceral, more urgent, than this time.

The world is at war. Millions are dying. The call was made and the railroads stepped up to the plate and drove it out of the park and beyond the parking lot! The railroads didnt just build this country, they made it great. They made it a winner.

Our first industry, to which no other would exist without it. I can think of no other time in railroading history that stands out as much, or as proudly. Without railroads, this country, or any other... is nothing.

It is also a time of "changing the gaurd". By that i mean the dawn of diesel electrics, and the demise of steam. A very pivotal time in railroading. A time which one can see the handing off of the baton to the next generation. The only time when one can see the best of steam, and the unknown future of railroading to come, under the flag of diesel power, at the same time.

I cant find another time that captures and cultivates my model railroading endeavors than this era. "The golden age of railroads" - fitting and appropo. In this time do we see the true spirit of railroading, the true power of it.

There was nothing like it up to the 1940's, and nothing since either. The only thing I can think of that might rival the railroads was NASA's quest for the moon. At no other time has man stood so tall, or proud. It was the railroads who put him there.

 

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, January 4, 2021 4:07 PM

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When I used to go to train shows before the pandemic - remember train shows? - I would still see tons of PRR, B&O, etc., along with the ubiquitous ATSF warbonnet F units. People may remain drawn to this era out of availability, if nothing else.

Well, and the reason manufacturers make so many items for the post-war transition era is because so many people buy them!

When I started in the hobby in 1971, many model railroaders were only interested in steam engines and tended to model the 1940's or earlier. Twenty years later, the steam-diesel transition era had become very popular, largely because that generation of modellers remembered that era and loved both types of engines.

Although I believe the number of transition era modellers have fallen, with more people modelling "today" (or at least the recent past) than ever before, the transition era has been surprisingly resilient and holds on to a pretty strong following.

p.s. My perception is that in the last 20 years or so the 1960's, the last years before Amtrak and the major mergers (BN, Penn Central, etc.) seems to be rising in popularity. It allows modellers to model the "old" railroads like say New York Central, but still run just diesels. Diesel engine models seem to be more reliable and less prone to problems than steam models - especially in smaller scales.

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Monday, January 4, 2021 4:06 PM

Simple: 

Okay seriously though a few thoughts.

1. If you consider a lot of retirees are model railroaders, the 1950's lines up with their childhood and their nostalgic memories of that era. So its a draw to recapture the magic of that time.

2. Older model railroaders who were adults in the 50's (who are likely now gone from us) might have chosen that as their era to model because it was their last era to model steam engines as they remembered. Many railfans and model railroaders swore off the hobby following diesels, so its likely they were happy to focus on the waning days of steam as "the good old days."

3. For younger model railroaders who were not alive in the 1950's, it has an aesthetic appeal as I alluded to with using the meme above. F-Units, late era steam engines, streamliners, classic cars, carhop diners, rockabilly, drive in theaters, etc. Obviously there are certain turnoffs to modeling the era for those of us who didn't live it (the Jim Crowe south in particular is coming up in debates as to "what level of prototypicality is acceptable" lately), but for the most part the nostalgic appeal of the era still exists in our pop culture zeitgeist even for the under-50 crowd who didn't live in it 

4. Steam and diesels, that is a strong appeal for building a roster regardless of age, and that era was the last era (in the US at least) where both engine types ran alongside each other in noticable numbers. CTC signals and radio comunications give it an air of modernity that helps it from feeling as long ago. 

Of course I personally would like to someday model the 50's (my "dream layout" in my head would be a late 50's or maybe even early 60's setting based on how my hometown and the surrounding region looked many years before I was born. But I do think modelers should give some thought into what other eras have to offer. It seems their is a lot of growth in 60's-80's models, in part for the reason I mentioned above that people like to model their childhood memories and the dirty worn out era of Penn Central, the dying grasp of the Rock Island etc... that is all now nostalgic to my parent's generation that grew up watching railroading struggle. Likewise I think the growth of commuter rail will mean people my age will grow to have a fondness for short distance passenger trains (look at Rapido's commuter announcements lately for evidence that market is beginning to bloom). Furthermore many modelers are turning back to the early 1900's to when steam was king to fully embrace a historical era that is now 120+ years in the past. Just because the 50's is popular doesn't mean we should treat it as the king and end all be all of model railroads, but we can appreciate the reasons it is seen as a golden era for many. 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 4, 2021 4:03 PM

Well, I'm 63, born in 1957, my teens were the late 60's and early 70's. I have no interest in the trains of that era.

I never saw a steam locomotive in regular service - except, I have been watching #90 at Strasburg almost since the day she arrived in 1967......

And I know lots of guys my age who model present day OR time periods even earlier than my 1954 era.

So much for the idea that "most " people model the trains of their youth. 10 years behind the counter of a train store, and 50 years in this hobby has not backed up that theory one bit. 

Looking at all age groups, my guess is one third of modelers choose the era of their youth.

The boomers, of which I am the tail end, represent a big group of modelers for a lot of the reasons Paul3 mentioned. So even a 1/3 of the older half of us is a lot of 1950's or very early 60's modelers.

No doubt that interest will shift.

But I will point out for the 100th time. When I started modeling in 1968, the 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's and now, did not exist to choose from.

Some people change eras, some people don't..........

I think the era that was once popular that has lost a large precentage of modelers is the 1900 to 1920 period wihch was a popular choice among more serious modelers when I was a teen. 

Same is true of the 1940's.

The depths of the depression may have never been a popular era, but back then it seemed that the eras either side of the depression were.

I think Paul3 made some excellent points about why the 50's has been so popular, but I'm not sure the 60's or 70's will be the era that replaces it. 

I think there will be more growth in modeling present day, or the "recent" past as the boomers disappear from the scene.

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Posted by fwright on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:40 PM

As one who models 1900 (suitable locomotives and cars are a lot scarcer), I can understand the attraction of late '40s/early '50s.  It's a much, much quicker process to get a layout up and running, and rolling stock is considerably smaller than it is in later years so smaller radius curves can be used.  You can start out with completely ready to run equipment, and then change as your model building desires change.  There's a lot more documentation of prototype practices, and color photos of equipment in real life.

I chose 1900 because both narrow and standard gauge were still in use, sailing ships still carried lumber from Northern California and Southern Oregon, and knuckle couplers were becoming widely used.  Rolling stock was about 3/4 the size of 1940s equivalents.  But there are precious few of us that choose to model that era so a lot of model building is required.

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Posted by Shock Control on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:33 PM

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My prediction is that you'll see fewer "transition era" layouts and more '60s-'70s layouts in the next dozen years or so as time catches up with us all.

Great summary.  I think one thing that may help the transition era to last a while longer is the sheer amount vintage HO stuff that's still out there.  When I used to go to train shows before the pandemic - remember train shows? - I would still see tons of PRR, B&O, etc., along with the ubiquitous ATSF warbonnet F units.  People may remain drawn to this era out of availability, if nothing else.  

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Posted by Paul3 on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:25 PM

Our hobby itself roughly came into being around 1900 when Lionel started.  Previously, model railroading was either crude, inexpensive wooden trains (mostly home made) or exquisite metal ones made by craftsmen that only the wealthy would own.  As time marched on, more and more people became middle class and could afford a hobby like model railroading.  However, then the Great Depression happened in 1929 followed by WWII in 1941-45 and for roughly 16 years people had to restrict their hobby to minimal investment.

After the war, there was an explosion of interest in model railroading.  You had a growing middle class that were moving into single family homes and started having kids (the boomers).  Suddenly, many people had hobby money to spend (something they hadn't been able to do for a decade and a half), kids to share it with or spend it on, and a basement, attic or garage to set up trains.  Lionel, American Flyer, and the relatively new HO were spreading across the nation spawning train shows, model railroad clubs, magazines, and even kid's TV programs.  It was a high point of the hobby.

As the '50s rolled on, steam was disappearing replaced by "diseasels" (as some old steamheads called 'em).  Many old hobbyists refused to acknowledge diesels and wouldn't railfan or take pictures of them.  They stopped progressing in time and froze their interests in steam.  Then the '60s came and passenger trains started disappearing.  The era of 1968 to 1976 were so transformative to the railroad business with mega-mergers, Amtrak, Conrail, etc. that many hobbyists refused to move on, sticking with the old Class I railroads.

Add the crushing bankruptcies of the 1960s and 1970s, and it wasn't "fun" to model those days compared to the bright and shiny post-war era.  Nostalgia is a powerful force in our hobby, and folks who lived through both eras mostly preferred the past over contemporary modeling.  They would express those feelings to the next generation of modelers, and as a result railroads like Penn Central (1968-1976) got very little interest from the hobby at large.

Today, that large older generation of folks that remember the 1940s-1950s are disappearing.  The next generation after them that remember the 1960s and 1970s are now heading into their best earnings of their respective careers (the last decade before retirement), and thus there is recent increased interest in the previously under-represented era of the late 1960s and 1970s.

My prediction is that you'll see fewer "transition era" layouts and more '60s-'70s layouts in the next dozen years or so as time catches up with us all.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:05 PM

Great summary Eric!

Eric White
Often, people are interested in modeling what they saw as a youth, and although the numbers are dwindling, most model railroaders are in their 70s and remember the trains of the '50s,

I was born in the late 1960s, and the only steam locomotive I have ever seen on the mainline was the 4-8-4 pulling the Freedom Train.

This makes me think the era of 1940-1959 has real staying power. It fascinates me even though I model a year over a decade before I was born.

Eric White
Another draw is passenger trains. The 1950s was the heyday of the passenger train.

I am 100% sure this is true for most people that model this era, but not for me. I just cannot get excited about passenger trains.

Eric White
The mid-'40s through mid-'50s has a lot to offer as a setting

Yes it does! No national restaurant chains, but lots of small local businesses. Communities that were much more self contained. You can model anything from modest farm communities before they were run-down, to magnificent big cities.

Almost nothing waa cookie-cutter construction in 1954.

Eric White
I started with Tyco F7s in Santa Fe Warbonnet paint

Me too!

-Kevin

Living the dream.

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Posted by cv_acr on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:04 PM

Jim Slade

I love seeing all of the 1940's / 1950s railroad displays wherever I go. Would love to have one myself, and I feel I would try to depict the 1940s as well. This seems to be the standard, and I was curious why others feel this is so. Why choose the 1940s over say the 1990s or the 1880s? 

It's the only era where steam and diesel really overlaps, not counting preserved steamers in tourist/excursion service.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, January 4, 2021 3:04 PM

I basically model the 1980-2007. 

Although I'm fascinated with steam locomotives like the Hudson, Big Boy, Northern, Consolidation and others. I really wanted to do a 1938  New York based on the Century. I couldn't do it because I really love Amtrak and it didn't exist.

Mid last year I collected a few freight cars. (Years in the making.) I need like 7 more cars not counting coaches, another steam engine for them and replacement tenders to finish a 1940s branch line. 

The idea was to use New York Central but the problem is the locomotives didn't look like their prototype and made it unrealistic for me. Using fictional railroad made more sense than jamming in other railroad Southern Pacific.

It was going to based after World War 2 in 1946-49. With nothing else but pure steam, no diesels of any kind. I could go back to 1940 or during the war, if I felt like it. This way there's no main line focus on long diesel passenger and freight trains, war covered flatcars, boxcars, or troop trains. Since I have problems picking and choosing freight cars with pictures. Plus Pullman green was still the international color for most railroads until 1952.

Modeling the G.N.O. Railway, The Diamond Route.

Amtrak America, 1971-Present.

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Posted by Eric White on Monday, January 4, 2021 2:57 PM

Often, people are interested in modeling what they saw as a youth, and although the numbers are dwindling, most model railroaders are in their 70s and remember the trains of the '50s, and if you were interested in trains then, there was a big crowd who lamented the change from steam to diesel and shunned anything powered by internal combustion.

Another draw is passenger trains. The 1950s was the heyday of the passenger train. Railroads were optimistic they'd be inundated with passengers in the post-war years as people who were forced to stay home and conserve resources during WWII were suddenly free to go out and explore. Of course, they did so in their cars, and by the 1960s, passenger trains were in severe decline.

The mid-'40s through mid-'50s has a lot to offer as a setting, and as stated already, there's lots of equipment to choose from, although if you become enamored with steam, you may find your favorite railroad isn't as well represented as you'd like it to be as steam could be very railroad-specific.

I started with Tyco F7s in Santa Fe Warbonnet paint, but the trains I saw around me at the time were Penn Central GG1s and Amtrak Metroliners. As I've gotten to that point where there's time, space, and money for a layout, I want to re-create what I saw trackside during after-dinner walks at my grandparents', so I'm planning a mid-70s layout.

Anything you choose, you'll have fun. Be sure to enjoy the journey!

Eric

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Posted by Mister Mikado on Monday, January 4, 2021 2:22 PM

All those colorful boxcars! 

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Posted by snjroy on Monday, January 4, 2021 2:00 PM

Steam engines in motion are pretty look at. Many model railroaders are.. hum hum... retired and remember these days vividly.

But I would argue that most pikes today feature diesel engines. Books and media are not necessarily representative of what people model at home.

Simon  

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