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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:11 PM

SeeYou190

I would have done that anyway. This effects nothing for me.

-Kevin 

So these are not the droids you are looking for.

Move along, move along.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:27 PM

tstage
I haven't purchased a BLI product "new" in 10-11 years and I don't expect that the change anytime soon.

The tariff applies to all our toy train companies and their made in China products, not just BLI.

 

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:17 PM

I haven't purchased a BLI product "new" in 10-11 years and I don't expect that the change anytime soon.  If it does then I'll ponder whether it's worth the cost or not and go from there...

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:56 AM

BigDaddy

 

 
BATMAN
Rapido products made in China may or may not be tariffed going into the U.S. BLI products being shipped to Canada or elsewhere outside the U.S. will likely have the tariff removed as it leaves the U.S.

 

I assume Rapido products are distributed from Canada.  The US - China tariffs shouldn't affect Rapido at all.  The US - Canada tariff were lifted.

I don't see why a tariff is "removed" for imports from China to the US that are later sold elewhere, internationally.

 

I don't know anything about the current rules regarding tariffs and/or duties. However in the past where the product was/is made, not distributed from, is what determined import duties. There was no doing an end-run around duties by bringing product in from a third country. 

A tariff can be removed or not even applied just as easily if it is just passing through to the customer in a third country. The old NAFTA rules ( in a simplified form) meant free trade applied only to products manufactured in Canada, the United States or Mexico could move freely between those three countries.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:51 AM

I'll stick to buying used brass steam locomotives that are already in the USA.

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I would have done that anyway. This effects nothing for me.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:44 AM

riogrande5761

Perhaps just another round in the hobby is getting too expensive drum beat.

 

 

Another 50 ($80.00 Can) bucks on an engine would not affect my buying decision but it will for some. It will be interesting to see if BLI and others have to pay the tariff if they export these products out of the country.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:42 AM

Ah, no reason to worry over a measly 10% tariff, or even the 25% one being bandied about.  This will surely bring model manufacturing back to the U.S.A., which will make those tariffs look like the few specks of dust left in your wallet after your next purchase.

EDIT: 

BigDaddy
....I assume Rapido products are distributed from Canada. The US - China tariff shouldn't affect Rapido at all. The US - Canada tariff were lifted....

Canada's currently not exactly on a first-name basis with China, either, although it's not over tariffs.  They have, however, embargoed some Canadian agricultural products. 

In my opinion, simply a bunch of big boys acting like little kids, pretty-well to the detriment of all parties.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:41 AM

BATMAN
Rapido products made in China may or may not be tariffed going into the U.S. BLI products being shipped to Canada or elsewhere outside the U.S. will likely have the tariff removed as it leaves the U.S.

I assume Rapido products are distributed from Canada.  The US - China tariffs shouldn't affect Rapido at all.  The US - Canada tariff were lifted.

I don't see why a tariff is "removed" for imports from China to the US that are later sold elewhere, internationally.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:34 AM

Perhaps just another round in the hobby is getting too expensive drum beat.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:25 AM

It's not a surprise about the tariffs.  Call it a product of the trade war.   Things will settle down once the initial shock subsides.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:20 AM

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:13 AM

I have limited experience with tariffs through work and many things are possible. First, there is no sneaking things in the back door through another country. Rapido products made in China may or may not be tariffed going into the U.S. BLI products being shipped to Canada or elsewhere outside the U.S. will likely have the tariff removed as it leaves the U.S. That accounting will be done by BLI and other suppliers.

I have a large industrial electrical supplier near me and since tariffs have gone in, it is packed with American contractors picking up supplies and taking them back across the border. They do pay the tariffs on the return trip. The problem is the availability of product in the U.S. is drying up as importers are not bringing stuff into the U.S. as they are hoping the tariffs will come off and the price will come back down.  The cost for these companies to send people to Canada to pick up this stuff is added to the bill of the consumer in the end.

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Posted by selector on Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:57 AM

Will this tariff apply only to Chinese items or to all foreign imports?  Think Rapido and it's large American fan base.

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Bummer EH?
Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:48 AM
August 8, 2019
IMPORTANT TARIFF IMPACT NOTICE

for BLI End Consumers
 
On September 1, 2019, the US will impose a 10% tariff on Chinese imports which will affect Broadway Limited Imports products arriving on or after September 1, 2019. Please see the table below for the price increases for five projects that have already been announced, but arriving after September 1—HO PRR T1, HO Baldwin Sharknose, HO GG1, HO EMD F3, HO Streamlined PRR K4. This price increase of 7% is effective retroactively, regardless of whether a preorder has already been placed. Broadway Limited Imports reserves the right to make additional tariff-based price increases depending upon delays (manufacturing or otherwise) that push additional previously announced products into the window of the September 1 tariff. Future announcements will have the tariff already factored into the price. 
If you have placed preorders for any of the projects below, please expect to hear from your dealer regarding the price increase on your reservation. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Item
Pre-Tariff MSRP
Tariffed MSRP
5840 PRR T1 Duplex, #5515, Original As-Delivered, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5841 PRR T1 Duplex, #5520, Original As-Delivered, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5842 PRR T1 Duplex, #5533, Original As-Delivered, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5843 PRR T1 Duplex, #5538, Original As-Delivered, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5844 PRR T1 Duplex, Unlettered, Original As-Delivered, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5845 PRR T1 Duplex, #5505, Modified Version, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5846 PRR T1 Duplex, #5519, Modified Version, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5847 PRR T1 Duplex, #5541, Modified Version, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5848 PRR T1 Duplex, #5548, Modified Version, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5849 PRR T1 Duplex, Unlettered, Modified Version, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Smoke, HO
 $              599.99
$642.00
5750 PRR Sharknose, BF-16 A/B Set, #2000A/2000B, DGLE, 5-Stripe, w/ Antenna, A-unit Paragon3 Sou...
 $              399.99
$428.00
5751 PRR Sharknose, BF-16 A/B Set, #2016A/2016B, DGLE, 5-Stripe, w/ Antenna, A-unit Paragon3 Sou...
 $              399.99
$428.00
5752 PRR Sharknose, BF-16 A-unit, #2011A, DGLE, 5-Stripe, w/ Antenna, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5753 PRR Sharknose, BF-16 B-unit, #2010B, DGLE, 5-Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5754 B&O Sharknose, RF-16 A/B set, #859A/859X, Blue/Gray/Gold, A-unit Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Unp...
 $              399.99
$428.00
5755 B&O Sharknose, RF-16 A, #859, Blue/Gray/Gold, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5756 B&O Sharknose, RF-16 B, #855X, Blue/Gray/Gold, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5757 NYC Sharknose A/B Set, #3805/#3705, Lightning Stripes, A-unit Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, Unpowe...
 $              399.99
$428.00
5758 NYC Sharknose A-unit, #3809, Lightning Stripes, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5759 NYC Sharknose B-unit, #3709, Lightning Stripes, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5760 D&H Sharknose, RF-16A, #1205, Blue Warbonnet, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5761 D&H Sharknose, RF-16A, #1216, Blue Warbonnet, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5762 Baldwin Sharknose, BF-16 A-unit, PRR Type, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5763 Baldwin Sharknose, BF-16 B-unit, PRR Type, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              279.99
$300.00
5764 PRR Sharknose, BF-16 A/B Set, #2004A/2004B, Tuscan Red, 5-Stripe, A-unit Paragon3 Sound/DC/...
 $              399.99
$428.00
 
 
 
4684 GG1 Electric, PRR #4813, DGLE, Brown Roof, 5-Stripe, Gold Leaf Lettering & Stripes, Futura ...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4685 GG1 Electric, PRR #4840, DGLE, Brown Roof, 5-Stripe, Gold Leaf Lettering & Stripes, Futura ...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4686 GG1 Electric, PRR #4802, DGLE, 5-Stripe, Gold Leaf Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, Pa...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4687 GG1 Electric, PRR #4825, DGLE, 5-Stripe, Gold Leaf Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, Pa...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4688 GG1 Electric, PRR #4801, DGLE, 5-Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, Paragon...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4689 GG1 Electric, PRR #4816, DGLE, 5-Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, Paragon...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4690 GG1 Electric, PRR #4807, DGLE, Broad Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripe, Roman Lettering, Para...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4691 GG1 Electric, PRR #4821, DGLE, Broad Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripe, Roman Lettering, Para...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4692 GG1 Electric, PRR #4856, Tuscan Red, 5-Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, P...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4693 GG1 Electric, PRR #4857, Tuscan Red, 5-Stripe, Buff Lettering & Stripes, Roman Lettering, P...
 $              399.99
$428.00
4694 GG1 Electric, Penn Central #4824, Black w/ White Logo, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO 
 $              399.99
$428.00
4695 GG1 Electric, Penn Central #4845, Black w/ White Logo, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO 
 $              399.99
$428.00
4696 GG1 Electric, Unlettered, DGLE, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO 
 $              399.99
$428.00
4697 GG1 Electric, Unlettered, Tuscan Red, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO 
 $              399.99
$428.00
 
 
 
4820 EMD F3 A/B, ATSF 18L/18A, Warbonnet Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4821 EMD F3 A/B, CB&Q 116-A/116-B, "Greyback" Freight Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4822 EMD F3 A/B, GN 352A/352B, Empire Builder Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4823 EMD F3 A/B, PRR 9501A/9501B, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4824 EMD F3 A/B, SP 6102A/6102B, Black Widow Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4825 EMD F3 A/B, UP 905/905B, Streamliner Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4826 EMD F3A, ATSF 18C, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4827 EMD F3B, ATSF 18B, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4828 EMD F3A, CB&Q 116-D, "Greyback" Freight Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4829 EMD F3B, CB&Q 116-C, "Greyback" Freight Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4830 EMD F3A, GN 352C, Empire Builder Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4831 EMD F3B, GN 351B, Empire Builder Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4832 EMD F3A, PRR 9503A, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4833 EMD F3B, PRR 9503B, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4834 EMD F3A, SP 6102D, Black Widow Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4835 EMD F3B, SP 6102C, Black Widow Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4836 EMD F3A, UP 907, Streamliner Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4837 EMD F3B, UP 907B, Streamliner Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4838 EMD F3A, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4839 EMD F3B, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4842 EMD F7 A/B, ATSF 38L/38A, Warbonnet Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4843 EMD F7 A/B, B&O 180A/180X, Blue & Gray Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4844 EMD F7 A/B, D&RGW 5601/5602, 5-Stripe Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4845 EMD F7 A/B, MILW 68A/68B, Maroon Band on Orange Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4846 EMD F7 A/B, NYC 1640/2420, Short Lightning Stripe Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4847 EMD F7 A/B, NP 6510A/6510B, Loewy NCL Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4848 EMD F7 A/B, PRR 9671A/9671B, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4849 EMD F7 A/B, SP 6267/8140, Bloody Nose Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              399.99
$428.00
4850 EMD F7A, ATSF 38C, Warbonnet Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4851 EMD F7B, ATSF 38B, Warbonnet Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4852 EMD F7A, B&O 182A, Blue & Gray Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4853 EMD F7B, B&O 182X, Blue & Gray Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4854 EMD F7A, D&RGW 5604, 5-Stripe Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4855 EMD F7B, D&RGW 5603, 5-Stripe Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4856 EMD F7A, MILW 68C, Maroon Band on Orange Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4857 EMD F7B, MILW 69B, Maroon Band on Orange Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4858 EMD F7A, NP 6511A, Loewy NCL Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4859 EMD F7B, NP 6511B, Loewy NCL Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4860 EMD F7A, PRR 9673A, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4861 EMD F7B, PRR 9673B, DGLE Single Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4862 EMD F7A, SP 6268, Bloody Nose Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4863 EMD F7B, SP 8141, Bloody Nose Scheme, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4864 EMD F7A, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4865 EMD F7B, Unpainted, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4866 EMD F7A, NYC 1641, Short Lightning Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
4867 EMD F7B, NYC 2421, Short Lightning Stripe, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              289.99
$311.00
 
 
 
4432 Streamlined PRR K4, #3768, 1936 Version, Bronze Paint, As-Delivered High-mounted Keystone, 180P75 Tender, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              499.99
$535.00
4433 Streamlined PRR K4, #3768, 1936 Version, Bronze Paint, Low-mounted Keystone, 180P75 Tender, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              499.99
$535.00
4434 Streamlined PRR K4, #3768, 1936 Version, Later DGLE Paint, Low-mounted Keystone, 180P75 Tender, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              499.99
$535.00
4435 Streamlined PRR K4, Unlettered, 1936 Version, Bronze Paint, 180P75 Tender, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              499.99
$535.00
4436 Streamlined PRR K4, Unlettered, 1936 Version, DGLE Paint, 180P75 Tender, Paragon3 Sound/DC/DCC, HO
 $              499.99
$535.00

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