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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, August 15, 2016 9:13 AM

Awesome pics.  Great big lens, or can you really get that close?

Had a weird computer problem yesterday.  Suddenly, I couldn't get anything to respond, except very sporadically.  It acted like the machine was running vey slow, or all the memory was tied up.  I couldn't do a clean shutdown, so I hit the button.  It came back with the same problem.  I couldn't even get it to select my account when I clicked on my user name.  It let me in when I used the right mouse button instead of the left.

I thought I had some godawful virus.  After some playing around, I tried a different mouse.  That was it.  Everything I was trying to do that didn't work was a left-button action.  Problem solved.

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Posted by dti406 on Monday, August 15, 2016 9:08 AM

Dave, did you happen to check the fuel tanks when you went up.  I have flown on numerous Beavers while going to fly-in fishing places in Northern Canada.  They only flew with one of the three tanks having fuel usually only the front tank as they wanted as much weight as possible up front. (Which is why I alway got to sit next to the pilot, as one of my friends said "In French he meant lard-ass up front")

In another of the Beavers I flew in they still had the bomb arming and drop switches as they were used as light bombers in WWII and many of the fly-in-fishing places picked them up when the Canadian and US Air Forces made them surplus.

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, August 15, 2016 9:00 AM

EDIT: OOPs! This should have been posted in the Diner. I'll ask Steven to move it.

Please permit me to share a few photos from our BC trip:

Dave

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, August 15, 2016 8:55 AM

Hi Bear:

We were in a Beaver, and judging by the instrument panel I think it was an original. I had been up in a Beaver once before. That was more than 50 years ago so I got a real kick out of flying in one again! Fantastic aircraft!

Regards

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Posted by MonkeyBucket on Monday, August 15, 2016 5:38 AM

Gday all...Hey Brunhilda tell Zoe she can paint her sisters nails after work...that smell reminds me of the train room...I will take a coffee hun...Cheers

Hi peeps...its been a while...just started another job in town...working back on the books on a highrise apartment block...should see me out till Christmas hopefully.

No progress on the layout otr the shed but some good news for some family members...I now have a 1 year old nephew to add to the will... My Brother in law and his lovely wife have managed to adopt a healthy young Kiwi lad. After trouble with conception they thought their chances were gone for a family...this has lifted their spirits so high...I don't think I have seen the couple so happy before...Well good luck to them I say. Another turn of fortune for the child that will now get to grow up like a nomal kid.   Angel

Not much else to report...I wish you all a healthy, happy week...better get going as the wife needs me in the kitchen...

 

Ooroo...

Cheers...

Chris from down under...

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, August 15, 2016 2:33 AM

Mornin' Diners

Flo, I'll just have a club soda with a twist of lime—I'm stuffed from a rather large Sunday dinner. All the garden produce is coming in now and we're eating the bountiful bounty Dinner

Burning the midnight oil again! I had a bunch of photos to upload but Photobucket is out to pasture again... 

Ken, my boy. Come to think about it, I may have not checked the 2 digit/4 digit box when I programmed the engine number. If you're using DecoderPro then it's a piece of cake for you. Yes, check the Broadway Limited>diesel selection for DP.

The two SD7s hava a little momentum programmed into them but I'd say your best bet is to do a factory reset then take it from there. I'm 99% sure they both have Digitrax DH123 decoders in them. Don't know about the headlights? Bulb or LED?

Anyway, have fun! I like the Bessemer & Lake Erie. Railroads borrowed/leased equipment from other RRs all the time. 

Angelo, I did get those front couplers changed! Thanks for askin'. It is tricky to handle those big articulateds! Kind of like holding a dead snake. I have to admit these EM1s are one of the finest engines, for the money, that Bachmann has produced.

Herrnichoker,

That story of the valve reminds me of one that was told to me some years ago.

I was talking to a State boiler inspector while we had to wait for an engineer to show up at my plant, just killing time. He told me about one of the guys he knew that had helped to investigate a stop valve that had blown apart, this was on a 600 lb. plant, on the USS Iwo Jima sometime back in 1990 or so. He said a contractor had rummaged through a parts bin and found a handful of nuts to hold the bonnet to the valve body—and he used them! Everyone else assumed the work had been inspected... turns out the nuts were no where near rated for the strength needed on the bonnet studs.

You know how that goes! He said it was a real mess in that boiler room. I'm amazed just looking at photos of railroad boiler explosions. Makes me shudder...

Well, off to the rack, fellas'

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Posted by herrinchoker on Monday, August 15, 2016 1:16 AM

Bear,

Try this again, was responding earlier, appears we had a lightning strike in the area, and Mr. Computer attempted Subuku--just revived him.

The King was a guided missle destroyer, saved 7+ pilots in N. Vietnam during the late 60s.

Bath Iron Works did the overhaul, re-tube the boilers, new steam powered gen sets, rebuild the 1200 # hp steam valves, new electronics, missle launchers, upgraded the 5" 54 gun, and added 2 Vulcan gattling guns (R2-D2 type)

I was one of the machinists who worked on the 1200# steam valves, the only new ones available were in Canada, and were bucu $$$  (so we were told)  the yard welded up the old valve seats with stelite, and we machined them on a vertical boring mill that had a 6 foot turntable.

When a 1200# system is first brought to pressure the boiler crew checks the valve flanges with a tool made from 1X2 strapping in the shape of the letter C. If there is a leak it will do one of three things, cut the strapping, ignite it, or knock it out of your hands. 1200# of steam at 900 deg. F. can have no sound, and give no indicaton of flow, depending on the size and placement of the leak. If the main valves on the boilers leaked the boilers had to be shut down, valves removed, repaired, reinstalled, taking up to 24 hours. The Chief Operating Engineer ( if this happened) would question the intelligence of your ancestry, familial perversion, or try things that are physically impossible for the human species to do.

The ship had two fire rooms, with four boilers each, powering two screws, the ship (about 511 feet )  would travel close to 40 mph at flank speed--

One night we were working on the lines that fed the steam generators in machinery space 1, with us were members of the paint crew preping the bilge for epoxy paint. One of the crew was cleaning under a 12 inch suction pipe used as a bilge pump. As he scraped the scale under the pipe opening he shoved his hand through the scale, through the bottom of the ship. I believe he was stunned at this happening, and I advised him not to jerk his hand back, but to work it our slowly. My thought was him getting his wrist jammed with the metal sections acting like a finger puzzle. To add to this, there was a large cut-out in the side shell,welded to that was a large box where we would stand to have the dockside crane remove/bring back- the different things being worked on. In the outboard corners there were 4 inch cutouts for drains, about 6" above the water. The air actuated pumps that WERE there had been taken out on the previous shift, the boilers were in pieces--no steam for the bilge pumps--as we left the space we were met by four crew members coming down the starboard passageway, at first they did not believe us when we told them "their boat had a hole in the bottom", until one of them went to the top of the ladder and looked into the bilge--then to the cutout in the side shell, then back to the water in the bilge, I cannot print what they said, other than it was colorful.

We lay aft to the crew's mess and watched the show. As I recall we did watch Aussie Rules Football that morning, along with the onboard show.

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Posted by FRRYKid on Monday, August 15, 2016 12:05 AM

angelob6660

FRRYKid- I was wondering what does all those A's mean? Or is it the logo?

That is part of a logo, so to speak. It is a font called "JI-Curtly". It was something that I ran across many years ago when I was working as a graphic designer. I felt that it would be perfect for a railroad whose name is "Forest Railway". Maybe seeing it as a graphic might help you understand it a little better:

This is not the size that it is on the cars. This is just to show the font. On the passenger train, it is a metallic silver (Custom decals from an ALPS Printer). On the pink engine it is supposed to match up with the old Polly S/Polly Scale MEC Pine Green. (If memory serves, the green on the engine and the caboose was also done an ALPS printer as well.) I hope that clarifies the issue.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:40 PM

Evening Diners,

Ken- Don't worry about work. We sometimes get those angry people that makes us want to quit. But we have way more better days that makes us happy.

Ed- I hope you converted those couplers.

FRRYKid- I was wondering what does all those A's mean? Or is it the logo?

Their's no time for model railroading lately with the two dogs I showed you a few days ago.

My sister is slowly finding a new apartment. Since Jackie came back home last next week she's been staying in different hotels. Her room haven't been cleaned for 9 years it kinda turned into a storage room. She recently got sick. It's okay guys its just a cold, no reason for a candle. I haven't heard of any news of founding a job.

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Posted by FRRYKid on Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:29 PM

Flo, could I get a glass of lemonade this evening. I'm still quite full from my off-line dinner.

Hobby Front:  As promised here are the photos (all 11 of them) of all of my streamline passenger cars, the tourist train as described (minus one coach as it wouldn't fit on the test track), and the pink engine and caboose.

 












The background on these pictures is the bottom of a very old mobile diesel fuel tank. I have used this before because I like the effect that the rust stripes give.

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Posted by cudaken on Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:57 PM

 Evening Diners

 Flo, Ed and I will have a Beer please. If the Buick Guy shows up give him one as well.

 Another Rail Spike Day at work. Boy I am sure glad man can make beer! While it was a pain and a lot of rude customers I did ek out a extra $105.00 today.

 Fence Front I spent all day thinking about what I need to do with this thing. I will post some photos in the next few day of the problem area. I hope and think I have found a solutiom to the problem, I hope! More than likely will have to buy a table saw, well I could use one if I can build a new layout.

 Ed gift and the Train Front. Ed, not sure what went wrong the first time I used Decoder Pro to read the BLI F7's decoder? Showed it as unknowen with QSI as possible decoder. I do have some BLI steam that used QSI so I picked QSI Diesel. Tonight it saw it was a BLI Diesel? Whistling Other odd thing when I read the decoder it showed primer address as 3, and long address as 233? Tried it on 3 and the A unit moved! SurpriseBig Smile Have not tried the B unit but saw the same thing with decoder pro. I was going to give the A unit a spin, but saw the short couplers. No way the would make it around my few 18" turns.

 Pen SD 7 OK, I was fooled by the box. I was thinking as I was taking it out "Man that looks like a SD 7, my old SD 45-2 looks nothing like this!" This morning I said to my self if it runs like a SD 7, sounds like a SD 7 and looks like a SD 7 it must be a SD 7! So I changed my post! Mischief When I read it with decoder pro I must have messed up, did not get the address right so it not running tonight.  It will be dragging coal soon! Love the way it looks!

 BessIemer SD 7 Is my eyes reading that right? Hmm Well either the shipping gods did not like it, or you ran the wheels off! Laugh Looks like both worm gears covers fell off! Should be a easy fix!

 By the way Ed, thanks for rubbing that EM 1 in my faces!  I will see your EM 1 and rasie you a Y6 B! What all steam engines want to be!

 Ken

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:10 PM

Hi, Garry.

Now that I see that photo again I remember that I have to change that front coupler! Guess that will be tonight's project!

Have fun in Ohio!

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:55 PM

Hello Ed.  I like the photo.

Where is everybody else?  We're in Cincinnati until tomorrow  

cheers 

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:23 PM

Sure is quiet in here! Everyone must be having their Sunday dinner at home...

Well, here's an old photo from the archive just to get us back in the swing of things.

I'll stop by later, see 'ya then, Chloe— you too, Flo!

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Posted by howmus on Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:13 AM

Mornin'.....  Er....  Ahem!  Afternoon folks!

Chloe, just need a refil for my coffee right now...  Thank you Ma'am!

We ended up getting about .19" of rain yesterday...  That brings the week's total to a little over a half inch.  We'll take it!  Probably got more overnight, but won't know how much it amounted to until tomorrow when I check the monthly total to date.  Temp at the moment is only 79°F with the high expected to be around 85° later this afternoon.  That is 10° cooler than yesterday, so I am happy....

Will spend part of today doing more cleaning up and putting away down in the train rooms.  Little by little I am getting there....

 Mr. B, working out in an airconditioned gym sounds like a winner to me...  I have to get into my walking routine soon....  Over at the fieldhouse, that is!

Have a great day out there!

73

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:39 AM

Good morning!

At least it looks good, but it's already 83 and going up to 95.  It's too hot to bike again, although I got a nice ride in yesterday and it will "only" be in the 80s the rest of the week.  Maybe I'll go to the gym and do some upper-body stuff.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:17 AM

Gidday Chloe, just a glass of water tonight please.
 
herrinchoker. At the time I was introduced to Aussie Rules, my flatmates and I were on the 1500- 0300 shift and when we got home we had the choice of either a sports or B movie TV channels. Perhaps I should be very careful of what I say but having tried to watch a couple of American Football games, I must admit that the B movies could be faster moving. They have very recently started showing Aussie Rules on poor mans TV here and I must say that the game has been cleaned up a fair bit since the late 70s.
 
Would I be correct that DLG is the USN designation for a destroyer?
 
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Posted by FRRYKid on Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:41 PM

Flo, could I get my traditional breaded mushrooms with blue cheese dressing? Thank you.

Ended up going home early from work. Got so sore that it hurt to move. I do get sore frequently but getting sore enough to have to leave work doesn't. Thankfully, this was my Friday. Hopefully, I can recover the next two days.

Hobby Front: Got the gon finished this morning. Got the truck screw problem figured out at least to my satisfaction. (One screw did take a spot of CA to get it to hold, but not enough that an unscrew would be impossible.) Got the ACI and lube decals put on this morning. Momentarily forgot where I put them but they were on the car travel box sitting on my ottoman. Also got the beads for another project associated with the expansion. (Reference http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/257943.aspx. The color {celery} is just subtle enough to remind me of the look of the inside of the shells.)

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:34 PM

cudaken
Never thought I would be getting a couple Pennsylvanaia SD 45's!

Whistling Ken! Sorry you had a rough day! Somebody say SD45s? Don't judge an engine by its box... I lost a bunch of my original boxes in a fire back in 2012. Those SD45 boxes were all I had around.

I ran the B&O Fs through their paces just before boxing them up. Should be good to go? I think they're Paragon2 not QSIs. Glad you got everything OK and the fence guys didn't use the package to pound the posts in with!

Have fun,

Ed

 

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Posted by cudaken on Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:54 PM

 Evening Dinners

 Flo, Beer please and keep them coming! Bang Head

 Gosh what a day Bang Head

 Worked Sucked Rail Spikes! While I sold half of the people that came in, everyone that bought, bought a floor model and wanted to take the mattress with them. That ment I had to help them bag the mattress and load it while I had other customers waiting for me! Bang Head Then to top it off, one of the customers I never wanted talk to again called 3 times!!!!!! Every time she called I was surrounded by customers! Bang Head

 Fence Front. Bang Head Never let anyone work on the proptery while you are not watching! It was rainning when I left for work, and they had not showen up yet. So I figured they would not show, wrong! While they did what I told them to do more or less. If I had been home, I would have changed gears. Cannot fault there work, just the vision I had in my head.

 Train Front Ed, man they are sweet! Never thought I would be getting a couple Pennsylvanaia SD 7's! How did you know I had some Pennsylvanaia engines all ready? Far as the BLI B&O F7's Bow. Think they are in stand by mode . Only thing they will do is idle. I have one other engine with a QSI decoder and had the samething happen with it. Think F6 will wake it up. To beat to play with them right now. I allso have the same switcher in Rio Grand colors, you are right the decoder install is a pain in the caboose. 

 All I can say is Thank You Ed. Bow I am so lucky you have taken a liking to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Ken

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:44 PM

ROAR

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, August 13, 2016 7:41 PM

Evenin' once again folks!

What's that Janie?  The lights were out for a bit?  They were here in the Finger Lakes too... I have reset the clocks 3 times this evening so far...  I could use a refill for my lemonade, please.  I'll have a seat in the back and listen to the thunder outside.

I'm using my MacBook right at the moment.  I the lights go out again, I don't have to worry about a power spike on the iMac.  Looking at the weather map for the Finger Lakes Region of NYS, this could be a noisy night I think.  Now that the line of storms has found Geneva, they will be moving long ways right over the area for a few hours.  I had just turned off the main computer and gone outside to move a chair under cover when there was a "FLASH....BOOM!!!!"  I checked to make sure I was still in one piece then made a bee-line into the house.  I made it in about 5 seconds before the heavens opened up and the wind roared.  Rain came down hard for about 5 minutes.  It has now tapered off to a nice gentle sprinkle.  Will pick up again soon as the line of red stuff on the map is headed right toward my house.

I was planting some more tree trunks and cleaning up some old spilled junk down cellar when the lights went off again.  I have several safetylights that come on if the power goes off so I mozzied upstairs to se what was going on outside.

It is rumbling pretty good again outside so I better hit submit and get doing something else for a while...  catch you all later!

73

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Posted by CNCharlie on Saturday, August 13, 2016 6:36 PM

Good Evening Diners!

A slow day here, didn't do much at all, just changed the flapper in a toilet and sat in the yard drinking coffee. Yes it was that cool and cloudy too.

I hope to get down to our friends in Minnesota soon as they are holding a few parcels of stuff for me from MB Klein. Nothing really special but they had a few deals I couldn't resist such as True Line Trains box cars for $19. I ordered an Ontario Northland car and a CN Through Baggage. Not that I need more rolling stock but I will sell off a couple of pieces as part of my upgrade programme. At least that is my excuse. I spent too much money so selling off a few things will help defray the expense. 

I can't think of anything else to say, except I hope everyone has a good night.

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, August 13, 2016 6:13 PM

Evenin' folks!

Janie, ice cold lemonade to go, please...

As I thought this morning all the predictions of major severe thunderboomers during the day were off base for here in Geneva.......  Possibly not so later tonight.  We are under a Severe Storm warning at the moment, but that is more for those to the West of Geneva.  Canandaigua is included by name so it could just nail us too.  As a matter of fact....  The sky is getting very dark outside and the light should be what we get in a hour and a half from now.

We DO need rain, but we don't need 70mph winds and inch sized hail.......  I best shut down the 'puter I think!

Later...

73

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Posted by yougottawanta on Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:56 PM

Afternoon 

My caboose is dragging. Cold chills and fever. Woke up in a pool of sweat this morning. Someone stuck a giant needle in me and sucked the energy out of me.

Had to get someone else to sit with my father tonight I don't dare go around him.

Good news from he rehab center they actually had my dad up on a walker hobbling along. I didn't expect to see that for weeks. He is a legend in his own time. Stops a car with his body and up and walking in three/four weeks ! He has been my hero so many times in my life.  Have been blessed with an amazing father.

Going back to bed.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:44 PM

Afternoon Diners,

As promised a picture of Jackie's dog Charles. That was taken today.

Charles

Charles is one very active 10 month dog with no signs of slowing down. 

This one is a picture of Anthony's dog Murray.

Murray

This picture was taken two weeks after I got my phone. Outside by the park on the right, not shown.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:51 PM

It's miserable here 98 with a heat index of 129.  I don't feel like doing anything.  Wake me in October.

Here is the Ma & Pa roundhouse in Baltimore now owned by the highway dept

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Posted by herrinchoker on Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:09 PM

Bear,

During our 0300 break we would watch Austrailian Rules Football in the crews mess on a DLG that had come back to the shipyard for upgrades, and boiler tube replacement.

We all agreed that none of us could figure out the rules, other than, biting, eye gouging, and use of clubs was forbidden. All the same we enjoyed it.

If it was televised here I would watch it, more to it than American Football.

( The ship had a satelite hookup, thus we could watch--I believe an old Navy Chief figured into the mix somewhere)

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Posted by FRRYKid on Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:20 AM

RideOnRoad

My daughters get back from visiting my son today, so we (mostly Mrs. ROR) are done pet sitting. Pet sitting 3 cats, 4 dogs, and 8 reptiles. No typos there. All but two of the dogs belong to one daughter. To say that she is an animal person would be an understatement. The cats and dogs are almost all rescued animals, and the reptiles, well, that's just a wierd obsession.

My parents have quite the collection themselves. Two cats and one dog.

Cats: a little 7 pound Siamese. She's an elder stateskitty. Fourteen years old and she doesn't look or act like it. She's still very spry. The other is a 16 pound orange tiger stripe. No, he's not a Garfield (ribs can still be felt). He's just a big cat. Both of them are rescue kitties. The Siamese showed up in '02 at one of our stores in town. Someone took her home. She didn't fit with the tribe that the person already had. She later moved and wasn't taking her with so Mom took her. The tiger stripe just showed up. Took Mom a good year to get him calmed down to where he wouldn't run when someone moved. We figure that he was either and abandoned cat or an abused cat or possibly both

The dog is a 5 pound mini Cheweenie. Rescued from a puppy mill. Sticks to Mom like glue.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, August 13, 2016 10:06 AM

Still morning?  Yeah, for a little while.

We did the car swap yesterday.  Back when I was still working, I traded in my Saturn in for a new VW Jetta.  After I retired, I swapped cars with my daughter for the 99 Corolla she'd been driving since she was 16.  I figured she needed a reliable car, and I wasn't driving that much anymore.  This week she (now 25) bought her first car on her own, a brand new Subaru Crosstrek.  So, the Corolla is now sitting in her driveway for sale, I've got the VW back, and my little girl is absolutely in New Car Heaven.

When they built the Minuteman Bikeway through our town, there was some concern among homeowners along the path that there would be crime issues along it.  That never happened, but some of the towns responded by putting police on bikes.  Not only was it a brilliant public relations move, it became very desirable duty among the local gendarmes.  My favorites were the officers from neighboring Lexington, who went all out with calf-length socks that had "Lexington" spelled out vertically.  I asked where they got them, and they said, "From the football team."  Perfect.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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