I just watched the online video review of the Bachman RS-3 that is equipped with what they refer to as Easy Ap to run their trains that are so equipped.
It is running off Bluetooth and not Wifi and from what I saw I'm wondering if it will obsolete DCC for those wanting simplier operation.
For starters you can get rid of power boosters and all the associated wiring of a layout for DCC. Of course you will still have have to consider your turnouts in your plan, but could ez app switches be that far behind?
The train was demonstrated with an Ipad and it was simply touch screen.
For those that delight in technology this is currently behind what a dcc controller can do, but for us Luddites it may be just the ticket.
It does seem to be sensistive to electrical drops due to dirty or inadequate feeders being run.
Whats the general consensus? Will DCC start to be obsoleted as this technology is developed and improved?
No.
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There are three other systems on the market for controlling model trains with digital control.
Rich
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I really haven't looked into the Bachmann system. I've been using Digitrax for about twelve years now and theirs, like some others, too, can be upgraded as new technology allows.
My sister gave me her old Android Kindle Fire and it sat on a shelf for almost a year until I decided to try the Engine Driver app that's available for free.
So just last night I tried it out and in a few simple steps I had trains running through Digitrax > JMRI Decoder Pro and this Kindle Engine Driver app.
It was pretty amazing! And a neat feature was that all of the functions were easily viewable and all I had to do was tap the screen with the stylus to activate it.
It just adds another dimension to operations that I didn't have before and it is running on a system I first installed back in 2003. (plus I have another throttle now )
I believe the DCC protocall is here to stay. It was designed to be versitale and upgradeable and, for me, it does everything I can imagine that I would want to do in the forseeable future and is still backward compatible for engines that I installed simple decoders in so many years ago.
Thanks, Ed
Quoting from the Bachmann homepage:
"* requires 16 volt DC or DCC track power for operation"
Enough said!
DCC like DC will never be fully replace when a all new method of train control and that's when not if since technology is ever changing.
Larry
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Proprietary electronics is usually a dead end. Plus you would have to convert all your engines.
I don't own an Apple anything. I don't own anything that is smart. I would have to buy some kind of smart thing too.
I'll keep my DCC.
EasyApp is another system that works only with the manufacturer's products, and therefore has limited use. You can not run an NCE or TCS WOW equipped locomotive with that system. Can you run an EasyApp locomotive on DCC? I doubt it.
That is why systems like CTC-16 and a few other ones no longer exhist. NMRA did a good job requiring cross platform compatibility for all compliant decoders; that is why it is going strong for over 20 years; and will continue to do so for many years to come.
My
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Sir Madog Quoting from the Bachmann homepage: "* requires 16 volt DC or DCC track power for operation" Enough said!
Gee,that method can be used in DC? At 16 volts wouldn't that smoke a DC motor unless there is a decoder to reduce that voltage? I know straight DCC powered track can smoke a nondecoder DC motor since DCC is a form of AC.
BRAKIEAt 16 volts wouldn't that smoke a DC motor unless there is a decoder to reduce that voltage?
Unless its an MTH locomotive... oh yeah, THAT'S yet another proprietary system
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Whoah! Hold the (i)phone!
I just read a paragraph in the review on Pg. 63 of the April, MR, and it says in part:
"The sound effects play through the device speaker" (NO speaker in the locomotive!) "The sounds are generic rather than protoype specific. This was disappointing, as I would have liked to hear the distinctive growl of the Alco 244 prime mover."
And for the best part...
It will play Jingle Bells and the headlight will flash in time with the music!!!
Where do I sign up
I'll pass for now, thank you.
Ed
It is also dead rail compatible, provision are on the chip to connect a batery.
Jack W.
DCC will perist because it's open source eh as other have pointed out. Right now other manufacturers would have to license Bachmann's technology. That's the reason Blu Ray won out over HD DVD, USB won out over Fire Wire and VHS beat Betamax. However, I do believe DCC will continue to become more advanced and yet remain backward compatible with older decoders, much like USB 3 which can read USB 1 devices.
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Jim
Bachman EZ app Will it obsolete DCC?
*sigh*
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Nope. If DCS couldn't kill it, EZ App never will.
And no, DCS won't kill it either...
Proprietary control systems do not go over well with the majority of modelers...
Ricky W.
HO scale Proto-freelancer.
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2: It's for having fun and enjoyment.
3: Any objections, consult above rules.
No consisting, so no way it's even close to DCC user needs.
And why, pray tell, is there this passion for replacing DCC? That's a mountain so tall to climb in terms of the installed user base that it's simply implausible. In fact, for any proprietary system to be "successful" in whatever niche it serves, it has to be compatible with DCC -- unless the "new" is intended to be a technological dead end. In which case, the goal was never to "replace DCC" to begin with. In time, there COULD be something that replaces DCC, but ONLY if it's backwards compatible with it.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
The chip is not owned by Bachmann but Bluerail Trains. It is compatable with what you run now, and will soon be availible in chip form with dead rail compatability. You can get onboard sound for as little as $10 in larger scales (soon in smaller) and the chip (first one being 17mmx17mm) is becoming available soon, if not now. Android app on the way and as far as consisting, just an app away. Me, I am awaiting the dead rail with new batteries like the Alfa ( 40x lithium-iro capasity) and Prieto coming out later this year, I hope you didn't think Musk's battery factory was going to manufacture old time batteries. Many other batteries in the works, you may want to get rid of your oil stocks as one recharges on water, sci-fi meets reality.
EZ App is not yet ready to replace DCC and will need to be much more advanced before it becomes serious competition
1. It will need to support on board sound and consisting
2 It will need to be dead rail compatible.
3. It would need have locomotive specific sounds.
4. It needs an Android version.
I think Bachmann is aiming this for now to the train set crowd. It has potential to be competition just not yet.
Joe Staten Island West
Other optiosn that effectively do the same as this Bachmann thing already offer more DCC liek features such as consisting. They just use a different wireless technology, not bluetooth.
Bluetooth is by design limited in range. For a home user this may not be an issue. For a large club that operates purely walkaround, so you can be near your train, it may be ok. But if you need to be a significant distance from your train, now what?
Like the other options for direct control (no signal over the track), this remains a one manufacturer proprietary system. Until there is some standard, either through a body like the NMRA, or else a defacto standard because 4 out of 5 manufacturers implement the same system, these systems will not overtake DCC.
The arguments about makign it simpler - how? Because only 1 train is running? You only need extra boosters and related wiring in DCC if you have lots of trains runnign and need more power. This won;t change just because the control signal uses radio waves direct to the locos. They still draw power from the rails. That doesn;t change the need for additional power, or even feeders. Sorry, even DC locos runnign with just one pair of wires to the rails and unsoldered rail joints don;t work very well and slow down. Transmission line losses are transmission line losses regardless if the line is transmitting DCC, DC, or sine wave AC. Battery on board is the only thing that will reduce or eliminate the need for any track wiring. Current state of the art will easily fit inside HO or larger locos, but what sort of run time? 15-20 minutes before a recharge is about the best you can get. ANd what about when you want to add signals? You still need some sort of track detection circuit, and that needs power and something to draw it.
WHat about powered turnouts? Remote control of them via radio is goign to be every bit as awkward and operating them from DCC. Switch away from loco control, select the ID (address) of the turnout, operate it, flip back to loco control. Doesn;t matter what brand of DCC, it's awkward at best with all of them. BT or direct radio is no different.
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Just as others have said to the title question - no.
DCC is here to stay - for those currently using it to be sure.
Will other systems develope their own following -likely yes. Various forms of direct radio, dead rail, advanced DC, DCS, and more will likely servive for the foreseeable future.
Remember, it is likely that only about 50% - 60% of HO modelers use DCC, and that is after 20 years. That only equals about 30% of all model train users.......the rest are using something else........
Generally, many of the people using DCC cannot understand why everybody does not use DCC - but everybody does not have the same operational needs, wants or goals. And larger scales often lend themselves to other systems for a number of reasons.
Based on my needs, wants, goals and skills, I have yet to see anything that would get me to install "brains" of any kind in my 130 locos.
Sheldon
rrebellThe chip is not owned by Bachmann but Bluerail Trains. It is compatable with what you run now, and will soon be availible in chip form with dead rail compatability. You can get onboard sound for as little as $10 in larger scales (soon in smaller) and the chip (first one being 17mmx17mm) is becoming available soon, if not now. Android app on the way and as far as consisting, just an app away. Me, I am awaiting the dead rail with new batteries like the Alfa ( 40x lithium-iro capasity) and Prieto coming out later this year, I hope you didn't think Musk's battery factory was going to manufacture old time batteries. Many other batteries in the works, you may want to get rid of your oil stocks as one recharges on water, sci-fi meets reality.
That might be a record for the number of pipe dreams combined in one post.
Bluerail has so many limitations compared to DCC (both feature-wise and technical [RF]), and comes at such a high cost per decoder, that it is clearly not a replacement for DCC -- today or (likely) tomorrow.
Dead rail will be more popular eventually, but it will be much-delayed if there is no standard soon. The size and capacity of batteries must have multiple years more development to be practical in HO and smaller scales.
[And some dead rail suppliers are being short-sighted (I think) in not taking advantage of DCC on the track as a handy way of recharging much smaller batteries constantly, leaving just frogs dead, for example. And thus also having compatibility with the installed base of DCC.]
In the meantime, DCC users have been enjoying independent control of multiple trains anywhere on their layout with consisting, prototype-specific sound, wireless, etc., etc. for many years. Using decoders from many different manufacturers; and pre-installed in many locos. Even on a cellphone or tablet throttle, if you wish (I don't).
So in answer to the Original Poster's question: No.
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I don´t see any added value in Bachmann´s E-Z App Train Control that isn´t already available. It looks as if this is a rather futile attempt to segment a market in favor of Bachmann products - just like MTH tried it with their proprietary DCS system. The key benefit of DCC, aside from the operation features, is that it has been standardized right from the beginning.
It will displace DCC in the "Expensive Christmas Ornament" market. In fact, I think it already has.
Julian
Modeling Pre-WP merger UP (1974-81)
RR_MelBluetooth can have very good range
The issue in model train applications is the changing orientation of the antenna in the decoder and the fact that humans in the aisles are excellent signal attenuators.
Note also that there are different classes of Bluetooth, with very different ranges. What was used in the police application was likely Class 1, with high power transmitters and a nominal 100 meter range. That's not what is in the typical cellphone or tablet, which is more like 10 meters max.
Since Bluetooth is in the 2.4 GHz frequency range, the RF signal does not propagate through people (and other objects) as well as does the 900 MHz used in many DCC wireless throttles. This can become important in a confined space like a layout room.
Add to that the "pairing" challenges that can be trouble for Bluetooth devices today and it is not ideal for model railroading, in my humble opinion.
If you can't get a throttle that has a knob or physical buttons for speed control and physical buttons for direction and functions, then I'm not interested. Touchscreens are great for a lot of things, but one handed control of a locomotive without looking at the throttle is not one of them.
This has been done by others using aps to control DCC
So many Aps and so little time.
CZ
CSX RobertIf you can't get a throttle that has a knob or physical buttons for speed control and physical buttons for direction and functions, then I'm not interested. Touchscreens are great for a lot of things, but one handed control of a locomotive without looking at the throttle is not one of them.
No, it will not.
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